In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be appointed their guardian in order to represent them in day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the 20th Centuries. A guardian would be appointed to represent the legal interests of minors with respect to property inherited from a deceased parent. Even though James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a position to harm the children's interest in the land they inherited from their father. If he had children of his own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of his stepchildren. The law dealt with this conflict by requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests of the children. I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of Richard's estate. For instance, if there was a dispute over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with respect to the land. A guardian would have been necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of the land. It could even have been triggered by a change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the interests of her brothers and sister, who were still minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. However, I don't think it's very likely that the guardianship proceedings date from 1704. I've been trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And more importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but under sixteen. If the guardianship proceedings took place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have been born within three years of the others, and all four might have been born within six or eight years of each other. If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while Richard was born in 1703. That seems highly improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of birth as 1673. That would be fine if her children were born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she would have had three children by the age of seventeen. So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year. Of course we do need to find the originals! With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James had a son by that name. But whether he was a son of Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was born, or whether his father was married before. In my opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to the Evans children, although it may be that he was only half-brother to James and Priscilla. And while he probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will. If he had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest to him, instead of making him a witness. But if he wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role. And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I think there are too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah Wood. Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family. In this case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might help, however, to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, and whether they moved away. One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John Evanses married women named Nancy. As I previously speculated, I think the father of the various children including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't the one who married Nancy Windsor. Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all three families for at least a generation or two. That way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the like. Paul > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > Thank you Renee. > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few days stirring a lively > debate and exchange of Evans family data and lineage. Don Raymond > > I do however have some questions that are quite perplexing to me. > 1. We have an established fact that Richard Evans died in 1703. My > question is why would there be guardianship proceedings for minor children > some 11 years after the parent's death? If this date was 1704, I could see > it having relevance. But 11 years later does not seem to make sense. One > problem we have in discussing these things is in understanding > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this time. Another is that I > personally have seen no original documents, only someone else's > transcription of documents. Even these are many times republished several > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each person republished > the information. > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, Priscilla Groom along with > others of her family. This will assigns James Kingsbury (Dr. James & > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No mention is made of John Kingsbury > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. James & Elizabeth (Hall) > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, probably made in 1724 or 1725 > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was subsequently > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both James Jr. & John are > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died between 1731 and 1743. > > Then additional transcribed documents report James Kingsbury Jr. gave his > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James Jr. has carried on his > brother's name. > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from their parents leaves us > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's parentage correctly, > Evans or Kingsbury. > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son of Richard & Elizabeth > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family structure for Richard and Elizabeth since > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and published sources, not > original, but until recently, had never heard of or read any mention of a > child named Richard in this family. I am not doubting it, but, if we need > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess that is the direction > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is not 1714 or that there > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has still left me without > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, married in Monongalia Co., > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of Abraham Miller Sr. & > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., OH. to live out their > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah Miller connects back to the Evans family > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this John Evans. Even though > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this John Evans, your > information is of great value in sorting through the large number of that > name. > > Again, Thanks to all. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her husband John Evans. I have several generations of their children which probably does not help this problem. We know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on Nancy out there. Roger --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two > different reasons for appointing guardians.  One is to > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal > position of a parent.  Since James Kingsbury was not > the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be > appointed their guardian in order to represent them in > day-to-day matters.  This kind of guardianship would > necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans.  This is the > kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > > The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, > but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the > 20th Centuries.  A guardian would be appointed to > represent the legal interests of minors with respect to > property inherited from a deceased parent.  Even though > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a > position to harm the children's interest in the land they > inherited from their father.  If he had children of his > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a > substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of > his stepchildren.  The law dealt with this conflict by > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and > who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests > of the children. > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have > been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard > Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a > change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of > Richard's estate.  For instance, if there was a dispute > over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with > respect to the land.  A guardian would have been > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of > the land.  It could even have been triggered by a > change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the > interests of her brothers and sister, who were still > minors.  It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > guardianship proceedings date from 1704.  I've been > trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated.  And more > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but > under sixteen.  If the guardianship proceedings took > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have > been born within three years of the others, and all four > might have been born within six or eight years of each > other.  If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while > Richard was born in 1703.  That seems highly > improbable.  In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert > County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of > birth as 1673.  That would be fine if her children were > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she > would have had three children by the age of seventeen.  > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year.  Of > course we do need to find the originals! > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James > had a son by that name.  But whether he was a son of > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was > born, or whether his father was married before.  In my > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to > the Evans children, although it may be that he was only > half-brother to James and Priscilla.  And while he > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely > rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will.  If he > had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest > to him, instead of making him a witness.  But if he > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role.  > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain > why he wasn't mentioned in her will.  I think there are > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah > Wood.  Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family.  In this > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman.  It might help, however, > to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, > and whether they moved away. > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John > Evanses married women named Nancy.  As I previously > speculated, I think the father of the various children > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in > 1813.  But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are > so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one > another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically > everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all > three families for at least a generation or two.  That > way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that > one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the > like. > > Paul > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few > days stirring a lively > > debate and exchange of Evans family data and > lineage.  Don Raymond > > > > I do however have some questions that are quite > perplexing to me. > > 1.  We have an established fact that Richard > Evans died in 1703.  My > > question is why would there be guardianship > proceedings for minor children > > some 11 years after the parent's death?  If this > date was 1704, I could see > > it having relevance.  But 11 years later does not > seem to make sense.  One > > problem we have in discussing these things is in > understanding > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this > time.  Another is that I > > personally have seen no original documents, only > someone else's > > transcription of documents.  Even these are many > times republished several > > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each > person republished > > the information. > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription.  > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, > Priscilla Groom along with > > others of her family. This will assigns James > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor.  No mention is > made of John Kingsbury > > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was > subsequently > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both > James Jr. & John are > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report James > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James > Jr. has carried on his > > brother's name. > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from > their parents leaves us > > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's > parentage correctly, > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son > of Richard & Elizabeth > > (Hall) Evans.  I have had a family structure for > Richard and Elizabeth since > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and > published sources, not > > original, but until recently, had never heard of or > read any mention of a > > child named Richard in this family.  I am not > doubting it, but, if we need > > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess > that is the direction > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is > not 1714 or that there > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has > still left me without > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, > married in Monongalia Co., > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., > OH. to live out their > > lives.  As I say, I know how Sarah Miller > connects back to the Evans family > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this > John Evans.  Even though > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this > John Evans, your > > information is of great value in sorting through the > large number of that > > name. > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > >  > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >     >          >            >   > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a Vital Records finder with photographic copies of the surviving books. What is shown for this period are lists of marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices of the peace. Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," I find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October 1813", and less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy Windsor, 6 January 1814". There's a remote possibility that it could be the same couple recorded a second time with the maiden name changed. But I think that quite unlikely. There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist covering this period. But there isn't one in any of the books microfilmed for this project. Obviously there was a list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but looking at the typing, I think they may have been copied back in WPA days. The originals might no longer exist, or may have been lost. If they're still in the custody of the state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU. There's a less appealing possibility, that they could be at the Monongalia County Courthouse. County officials are less likely to keep track of them or keep them in good condition. Probably not the most useful information, but at least there's a book available for everyone to look at. Paul > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > From: burby9@yahoo.com > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her husband John Evans. I have several generations of their children which probably does not help this problem. We know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on Nancy out there. Roger > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two > > different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal > > position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not > > the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be > > appointed their guardian in order to represent them in > > day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would > > necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the > > kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, > > but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the > > 20th Centuries. A guardian would be appointed to > > represent the legal interests of minors with respect to > > property inherited from a deceased parent. Even though > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a > > position to harm the children's interest in the land they > > inherited from their father. If he had children of his > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a > > substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of > > his stepchildren. The law dealt with this conflict by > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and > > who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests > > of the children. > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have > > been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard > > Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a > > change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of > > Richard's estate. For instance, if there was a dispute > > over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with > > respect to the land. A guardian would have been > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of > > the land. It could even have been triggered by a > > change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the > > interests of her brothers and sister, who were still > > minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced > > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704. I've been > > trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to > > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And more > > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but > > under sixteen. If the guardianship proceedings took > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have > > been born within three years of the others, and all four > > might have been born within six or eight years of each > > other. If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while > > Richard was born in 1703. That seems highly > > improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of > > birth as 1673. That would be fine if her children were > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she > > would have had three children by the age of seventeen. > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year. Of > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James > > had a son by that name. But whether he was a son of > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was > > born, or whether his father was married before. In my > > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to > > the Evans children, although it may be that he was only > > half-brother to James and Priscilla. And while he > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely > > rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will. If he > > had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest > > to him, instead of making him a witness. But if he > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role. > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I think there are > > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah > > Wood. Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family. In this > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might help, however, > > to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, > > and whether they moved away. > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John > > Evanses married women named Nancy. As I previously > > speculated, I think the father of the various children > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in > > 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are > > so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one > > another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically > > everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all > > three families for at least a generation or two. That > > way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or > > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that > > one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the > > like. > > > > Paul > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few > > days stirring a lively > > > debate and exchange of Evans family data and > > lineage. Don Raymond > > > > > > I do however have some questions that are quite > > perplexing to me. > > > 1. We have an established fact that Richard > > Evans died in 1703. My > > > question is why would there be guardianship > > proceedings for minor children > > > some 11 years after the parent's death? If this > > date was 1704, I could see > > > it having relevance. But 11 years later does not > > seem to make sense. One > > > problem we have in discussing these things is in > > understanding > > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this > > time. Another is that I > > > personally have seen no original documents, only > > someone else's > > > transcription of documents. Even these are many > > times republished several > > > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each > > person republished > > > the information. > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > others of her family. This will assigns James > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No mention is > > made of John Kingsbury > > > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was > > subsequently > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both > > James Jr. & John are > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report James > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James > > Jr. has carried on his > > > brother's name. > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from > > their parents leaves us > > > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's > > parentage correctly, > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family structure for > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and > > published sources, not > > > original, but until recently, had never heard of or > > read any mention of a > > > child named Richard in this family. I am not > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess > > that is the direction > > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is > > not 1714 or that there > > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has > > still left me without > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., > > OH. to live out their > > > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah Miller > > connects back to the Evans family > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this > > John Evans. Even though > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this > > John Evans, your > > > information is of great value in sorting through the > > large number of that > > > name. > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, thanks for your response. Whether we sort this out or not, we certainly are getting some air in the linen. I have been pouring through the foggy cobwebs of my brain and trying to resurrect some old documents I accumulated perhaps as much as 35 years ago. I am not quickly laying my hands on the information I am looking for. I don't know if anyone is aware of this or not, but transcriptions from the Maryland Historical Magazine and published as Maryland Genealogies, states Robert Dixon and Elizabeth Dixon "of the Cliffs," Calvert County, appear in the records of that county in June 1675 as witnesses to the will of Richard Evans "of the Cliff." WHO IN THE WORLD IS THIS RICHARD EVANS? Another area of these publications states Elizabeth Hall 1673 - 1743 m. 1st Richard Evans d. 1702 - m 2nd Dr. James Kingsbury d. 1725. No other details. Nothing new or helpful there. A publication of "A History of Calvert County Maryland," by Charles Francis Stein, states, according to Burke illustrated arms are those of the Hall of family of Walton-on-the-Hill of Surrey, England. The family is said to be Norman and descended from Richard de Aula, on of several brothers who accompanied William the Conqueror to England in 1066. Probably everyone already has this but since we are discussing his daughter, I thought to include it. Again, information published by someone and not provable. However, a thought comes to mind on some of the current material we are reviewing. Even though, some speculate the marriage of the widow Elizabeth Evans to James Kingsbury as much earlier, might the 1714 guardianship occurrence been prompted by this marriage. I realize this statement would certainly add more problem to the coming paragraph speaking of James Jr. & John Kingsbury being sons of Elizabeth. Some transcriptions relate Dr. James Kingsbury as Executor of Richard Evans estate and state he holds several tracts of land for Richard's orphans. First, I don't know that Dr. James Kingsbury was the executor, but if he was, and held in trust the lands for the orphans, a marriage to Elizabeth would have brought about a change. This would still not explain the deed of land to "sons," James and John Kingsbury by Dr. James Kingsbury and Elizabeth (Hall) Evans- Kingsbury. If we can accept that this transcribed document does indeed identify these children as sons of both Dr. James and Elizabeth. If we don't accept this statement, we logically can't accept some of the other records referring to children. The fact that James Jr. named a son John, could explain the executor named John Kingsbury on Anne Pottenger's will. Bottom line to all this is that without additional source documents to review, we are stirring the same old pot and it still comes up stew. I have a small book of data on this one family and still can't say with any certainty how to structure this family. Don -----Original Message----- From: Paul Thorn Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:09 PM To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be appointed their guardian in order to represent them in day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message