Unless I'm very much mistaken, this should indeed be our Edward Evans and Sarah Wood. But it bears repeating, so far I have seen no source and no evidence whatever for assigning a maiden name to Samuel Evans' first wife. And as Edward was by all accounts twenty-one years old when he served in the militia, and probably older than many of the other members (who were eligible for militia service at sixteen), he was hardly a boy. > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:01:45 -0600 > From: listadministratorevans@earthlink.net > To: EVANS-RICHARD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] OOPS made a mistake... see last line [could this be relevant Jo Wood..... Sarah Evans?????] > > Have the book 'Inhabitants of Frederick County Maryland Volume 2 > 1749-1800" by Stefanie R. Shaffer, page 169 > > in a section on "A list of deeds put into Mr. Cromwell's hand to record > on the 21st day of December 1778" > in the First bundle 26 [records] > # 7 and 8: 7 Jo Wood, Sr. to Lucy James [deed]; 8 Jo Wood., Sr. to > Sarah Evans [deed] > > Now, here's my question: > Could this be Joseph Wood [who was married to Mary] and who had the > Sarah Wood who married Edward Evans, the Drummer Boy?, the same Edward > who was the son of Samuel Evans and Sarah Hill.... and the brother of > *Sarah EVANS.* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have the book 'Inhabitants of Frederick County Maryland Volume 2 1749-1800" by Stefanie R. Shaffer, page 169 in a section on "A list of deeds put into Mr. Cromwell's hand to record on the 21st day of December 1778" in the First bundle 26 [records] # 7 and 8: 7 Jo Wood, Sr. to Lucy James [deed]; 8 Jo Wood., Sr. to Sarah Evans [deed] Now, here's my question: Could this be Joseph Wood [who was married to Mary] and who had the Sarah Wood who married Edward Evans, the Drummer Boy?, the same Edward who was the son of Samuel Evans and Sarah Hill.... and the brother of *Sarah EVANS.*

Have the book 'Inhabitants of Frederick County Maryland Volume 2 1749-1800" by Stefanie R. Shaffer, page 169 in a section on "A list of deeds put into Mr. Cromwell's hand to record on the 21st day of December 1778" in the First bundle 26 [records] # 7 and 8: 7 Jo Wood, Sr. to Lucy James [deed]; 8 Jo Wood., Sr. to Sarah Evans [deed] Now, here's my question: Could this be Joseph Wood [who was married to Mary] and who had the Sarah Wood who married Edward Evans, the Drummer Boy?, the same Edward who was the son of Samuel Evans and Sarah Hill.... and the brother of Sarah Hill.

Well, welcome aboard, Kaye. Unfortunately I can't find any specific links among your names. But, we'll keep these in mind as we do our research. And perhaps someone else on the list might see a connection. Renee On 11/8/10Monday 7:47 PM, Kaye Palacios wrote: > Hello All, > Am new to the list, just joined today.so guess I will tell you my quest. > My GGgrandmother was Mahala Evans b@ 1812 Ky (maybe Lewis Co) on her > marriage record in Lewis Co. 1826 to William Dixon, her father was listed > as Richard W. Evans.......signing as a wittness was Phillip Evans. The > problem is there are too many Richard Evans's in the same area, at the same > time, that are all the right age to be her father. 1. Richard W. Evans on > 1810 Floyd Co. Ky census 26-45 yr.s old 2. Richard Evans on Carter Co. Ky. > 1840 50-59 yr.s old and 3. Richard Evans on Lewis Co. Ky. 1830 census 60-70 > yr.s old..... While I suspect the Richard W. on the Floyd Co census could > well be the same man as the on in Lewis Co. 1830...still need more than a > hunch to prove or disprove this. > Should point out here that all the counties involved here, Carter , and > Lewis were cut from Floyd Co. > Now Thomas Evans who died in Monongalia Co. Va. 1808 had sons..John > ;Thomas;Richard W.;David; Benjamin ;Evan ; James..and widow Catherine. who > ended up in ole Floyd Co. at the time of Thomas's death.Later, I loose track > of them. But I believe the Richard on the 1810 Floyd census is the son of > this Thomas. > Since my Mahala was married in Lewis Co., and a Richard was there, as well > as a Phillip.......I strongly suspect this is her father. BUT need help > sorting out these Richards.Whos is who ?????? > Another clue.......Mahala named a daughter Minerva CATHERINE.....this is a > stretch I know, but could this child have carried her grandmothers middle > name ? Please any help, ideas, clue's, suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. > Thank You in advance Kaye Farley Palacios oneeia@roadrunner.com > > >

Hello All, Am new to the list, just joined today.so guess I will tell you my quest. My GGgrandmother was Mahala Evans b@ 1812 Ky (maybe Lewis Co) on her marriage record in Lewis Co. 1826 to William Dixon, her father was listed as Richard W. Evans.......signing as a wittness was Phillip Evans. The problem is there are too many Richard Evans's in the same area, at the same time, that are all the right age to be her father. 1. Richard W. Evans on 1810 Floyd Co. Ky census 26-45 yr.s old 2. Richard Evans on Carter Co. Ky. 1840 50-59 yr.s old and 3. Richard Evans on Lewis Co. Ky. 1830 census 60-70 yr.s old..... While I suspect the Richard W. on the Floyd Co census could well be the same man as the on in Lewis Co. 1830...still need more than a hunch to prove or disprove this. Should point out here that all the counties involved here, Carter , and Lewis were cut from Floyd Co. Now Thomas Evans who died in Monongalia Co. Va. 1808 had sons..John ;Thomas;Richard W.;David; Benjamin ;Evan ; James..and widow Catherine. who ended up in ole Floyd Co. at the time of Thomas's death.Later, I loose track of them. But I believe the Richard on the 1810 Floyd census is the son of this Thomas. Since my Mahala was married in Lewis Co., and a Richard was there, as well as a Phillip.......I strongly suspect this is her father. BUT need help sorting out these Richards.Whos is who ?????? Another clue.......Mahala named a daughter Minerva CATHERINE.....this is a stretch I know, but could this child have carried her grandmothers middle name ? Please any help, ideas, clue's, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank You in advance Kaye Farley Palacios oneeia@roadrunner.com

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I've seen this, or something much like it, in the past. It's interesting, but it does contain some mistaken assumptions. First of all, the Maryland Calendar of Wills is correct in calling Mary Duvall by that name, not "Dumall," a name that doesn't really exist. If the original will looks like it says "Dumall," it's unintentional. All other records of the family clearly show that their name was Duvall. Secondly, there's no evidence that Mary Duvall was a sister of Richard Evans. This researcher guessed that she was the same as Mary Evans, apparently because her name was Mary and she referred to Ann Pottenger as her cousin. It's true that the word "cousin" could be used loosely in the 17th Century, as could the words "niece" and "nephew." But it's also true that those words were usually used much as we use them today. Mary Duvall didn't call Ann Pottenger her niece. She called Robert and Ann Pottenger her cousins. And since Robert's brother, Samuel Pottenger, married Mary's niece (strictly speaking, her husband's niece), there was already a relationship that could justify the word "cousins." There's a lot of useful information in the Maryland Calendar of Wills. But if you're not careful, you can get turned around figuring out how people are related using it. Paul > From: MegMccalla@aol.com > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:24:51 -0400 > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard-Samuel Evans Chronology > > I just googled for Capt. Edward Brock and found this on WC (much more info > in the post): > > > _Click here: RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: 1658-1758 Charles County MD > Families "The first 100 years": Wills, Court, Church,_ > (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I18358&printer_friendly) > > . . . ===>>> Gwen Boyer Bjorkman - WCDatabase: gwebjor > After Matthew Mockbee died in 1709 Capt. Edward Brock and his wife went to > court to get custody of their grandsons, Brock and Matthew Jr. > The widow Jane appeared in court, proved her good character and the need > of Brock and Matthew to help her raise her young children. She > was back in court again in Nov 1709 to get the sheriff to return the boys > to her. "Capt. Edward Brock of and concerning the orphans of > Mathew Mogbee had by his former wife Capt. Brock's daughter." Prince > George's Co, MD Land Records D:170, 219, 311 (Charles F. Matson, Mockbee Family, > p. 6) > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BEALL/2002-03/1015045835 > John DUMALL's widow Mary wrote her will 20 Jan. 1739, prove 26 June 1740 > in Prince George's County. [MD wills 22:220, FHL microfilm > 0,012,849. > Note this is incorrectly abstracted as DUVALL in the MD Cal. of wills. > The will book copy is very clearly DUMALL] > To Cousin Anne POTTENGER's children which she now has 20 pounds equally > divided between them for the services done by their father Robert POTTENGER, > deceased. > To Cousin Brock MOCKBEE my young negro Man Charles. > To cousin Edward MOCKBEE my Negro many Toby. > To friend Nathan SMITH my dwelling plantation with all lands an Negro man > Nacy. > To Alice RAY wife of Joseph RAY all my wearing apparel. > To my beloved friend Mr. William SMITH my Negro woman Sue and her four > children with all residue of my estate. > Aforesaid friend Mr. William SMITH executor. > Mary (X) DUMALL > Wit.: George PARKER, Archibald SMIH, Mary (x) SOAPER > Proved 26 June 1740 by all three witnesses. > [Below I'll show why I believe Brock and Edward MOCKBEE were children of > Mary's half (or step) sister Jane (BROCKE) MOCKBEE and that Anne (EVANS) > POTTENGER was Mary's niece, daughter of Mary's brother Richard.] > Fredric Z. Saunders. > === > Brocke, Edward, Prince George's County, 5th Mch., 1712; 19th June, 1714, > To granddau. Mary Nicholls and hrs., that part of "Brock," or "'Rock Hall" > on E. side Collington branch. > To Grandson Mathew Mogbee and hrs., 100 A., being other part of "Rock > Hall" on W. side Collington. > to grandson Brock Mogbee and hrs., dwelling plantation and land adjoining > that devised his brother Mathew afsd. Should granddau. Mary Nicholls die, > land devised to her to go to her brother Mathew, and he dying without issue, > to grandson Brock Mogbee afsd. grandchild. by dau. Offet, viz.,, Edward, > William, James and Thos. Offett., sons of William Offett and dau. Mary,,. > his wife, residue of "Brock Hall" on N. side Brock branch. Should any of > grandsons afsd. die, his portion of sd. land to pass to other grandson, John > Offett, and hrs. > Ex.: Son-in-law Wm. Offett afsd. Personal estate to be used for education > of grandsons Mogbee afsd. > Overseers: Alexander Beale and Jno. Gerrard. > Test: Mareen Duvall, Sr., Ninian Beall, Jno. Wall.13. 723. . . . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul: I agree that is does appear that our Richard Evans was the same Richard Evans who was transported by Edward Brock along with Sarah, Edward, William, John and Mary Evans. The time frame fits. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Thorn" <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> To: <evans-richard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard-Samuel Evans Chronology Hello, everybody! It's been a while since I posted, because I've been working on other projects and haven't managed to keep up with all the Evans research. But after reviewing my files, I just thought I'd ask if anybody had come up with new information that would help refine our current chronology of the earliest Evanses. Here's what I have so far. Please correct me if I've made any mistakes! We don't have any evidence of when Richard Evans was born. However, there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting that he was the Richard Evans who came to Maryland with Captain Edward Brock (spelled Brooke below) of Calvert County in 1671: MD patents Liber 16 (vol 19), folio 402 5 Jan. 1671 Came Edward Brooke of Calvert County and proved his right to five hundred acres of land to him due for Transporting himself, John Miles, [Sarah] Miles, William Gofe, Sarah Evans, Edward Evans, Wm. [Evans], Richard Evans, John Evans & Mary Evans into this Province to Inhabit. This looks like a family grouping, and although there's not enough evidence to be sure, my guess would be that Sarah Evans, listed first, is the head of family, and that Edward, William, Richard, John, and Mary are her children (and probably all minors). The reason that this might be our Richard is based on some land transactions, showing that Edward Brock's land was in the same general area where Richard Evans' descendants lived, and that the families had some loose connections. Specifically, Edward Brock sold some of his land to John Duvall, whose widow, Mary, mentions Robert and Ann Evans Pottenger as her "cousins" in her 1740 will. Precisely how they were related is uncertain (it seems unlikely that Mary Duvall was the same as Mary Evans, perhaps Richard's sister, or she would probably have referred to the Pottengers as her nephew and niece); but there were other connections. John Duvall's father, Mareen Duvall, was a close friend of Edward Brock. John's niece, Elizabeth Tyler, married Robert Pottenger's brother, Samuel. It's possible that this is why Mary Duvall called Robert and Ann cousins. At any rate, the first records we know of that definitely mention our Richard Evans are his 1685 patent of "Barbados" in Charles County. He had no more land dealings until 1696, when he patented "Evans' Range" in Calvert County. If Richard had been a child in 1671, that might explain why it took so much time for him to patent any land. He would probably have had to be at least twenty-one to do that, and if he had been about that age in 1685, he would have been born about 1663, and seven years old when he came to Maryland, if he is the Richard Evans of 1671. I remember receiving a message on this board (which I can't find now that I need it) which indicated that Richard Evans and Elizabeth Hall were married by 1694 or 1695. It was something having to do with a Quaker meeting at which Elizabeth was already named Evans. But so far that seems to be the earliest evidence of their marriage. Has anybody found the guardianship papers for Richard's children yet? They are supposed to be from November, 1714 (not 1704), and they appoint one of Elizabeth's brothers guardian for Samuel, Elizabeth, and Richard Evans. Under the terms of their father's will, Samuel and Richard (then unborn) would "come of age" at eighteen, and Ann and Elizabeth at sixteen. That is to say, they would reach the age of majority (at least in relation to their inheritance) at that age. The guardianship papers recite that Samuel and Elizabeth were over the age of fourteen, and therefore entitled to choose their guardian, while Richard was under the age of fourteen (and we know with reasonable certainty that he must have been born in 1703). No guardian was appointed for Ann Evans, which means that she had come of age and was therefore at least sixteen years old in 1714. In other words, she was born no later than November, 1698. But as a guardian was appointed for Samuel and Elizabeth, we know that they had not yet come of age. This means that Samuel was almost certainly not yet eighteen, and therefore born no earlier than November, 1696, and no later than November, 1700, while Elizabeth must have been born between November, 1698 and November, 1700. I suppose that it is possible (although I think it unlikely) that a guardian would still have been appointed until Samuel had reached the age of twenty-one. But even if this were so, he could not have been born any earlier than November, 1693. It makes no sense to keep referring to him as "Samuel Evans 1691" when we know with reasonable certainty that he was not born until at least November 1693, and in all probability no earlier than November, 1696. The most likely period for his birth is 1697-1700. Until recently I had no evidence of when Elizabeth Hall Evans and James Kingsbury were married, and supposed that it might have been about 1714, and the cause of the guardianship proceedings. This placed the birth of her children, James and Priscilla Kingsbury, after 1714. But I believe we now have some records indicating that they were already married by 1705. That means that James and Priscilla might have been born earlier, but other than that it doesn't really fix their ages. So this is what I have as an outline: Richard Evans, probably born by or before 1663; Ann Evans, b. before November, 1698 Samuel Evans, b. November, 1696 – November, 1700 Elizabeth Evans, b. November, 1698 – November, 1700 Richard Evans, b. 1703 James Kingsbury, b. after 1704 Priscilla Kingsbury, b. after 1704 I still think it is important to get a copy of the guardianship papers from 1714, if at all possible. They are our best evidence of the ages of the children in this family. Paul A. Thorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 10/31/2010 6:59:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, p_aculeius@hotmail.com writes: Hello, everybody! It's been a while since I posted, because I've been working on other projects and haven't managed to keep up with all the Evans research. But after reviewing my files, I just thought I'd ask if anybody had come up with new information that would help refine our current chronology of the earliest Evanses. Here's what I have so far. Please correct me if I've made any mistakes! We don't have any evidence of when Richard Evans was born. However, there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting that he was the Richard Evans who came to Maryland with Captain Edward Brock (spelled Brooke below) of Calvert County in 1671: I just googled for Capt. Edward Brock and found this on WC (much more info in the post): _Click here: RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: 1658-1758 Charles County MD Families "The first 100 years": Wills, Court, Church,_ (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I18358&printer_friendly) . . . ===>>> Gwen Boyer Bjorkman - WCDatabase: gwebjor After Matthew Mockbee died in 1709 Capt. Edward Brock and his wife went to court to get custody of their grandsons, Brock and Matthew Jr. The widow Jane appeared in court, proved her good character and the need of Brock and Matthew to help her raise her young children. She was back in court again in Nov 1709 to get the sheriff to return the boys to her. "Capt. Edward Brock of and concerning the orphans of Mathew Mogbee had by his former wife Capt. Brock's daughter." Prince George's Co, MD Land Records D:170, 219, 311 (Charles F. Matson, Mockbee Family, p. 6) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BEALL/2002-03/1015045835 John DUMALL's widow Mary wrote her will 20 Jan. 1739, prove 26 June 1740 in Prince George's County. [MD wills 22:220, FHL microfilm 0,012,849. Note this is incorrectly abstracted as DUVALL in the MD Cal. of wills. The will book copy is very clearly DUMALL] To Cousin Anne POTTENGER's children which she now has 20 pounds equally divided between them for the services done by their father Robert POTTENGER, deceased. To Cousin Brock MOCKBEE my young negro Man Charles. To cousin Edward MOCKBEE my Negro many Toby. To friend Nathan SMITH my dwelling plantation with all lands an Negro man Nacy. To Alice RAY wife of Joseph RAY all my wearing apparel. To my beloved friend Mr. William SMITH my Negro woman Sue and her four children with all residue of my estate. Aforesaid friend Mr. William SMITH executor. Mary (X) DUMALL Wit.: George PARKER, Archibald SMIH, Mary (x) SOAPER Proved 26 June 1740 by all three witnesses. [Below I'll show why I believe Brock and Edward MOCKBEE were children of Mary's half (or step) sister Jane (BROCKE) MOCKBEE and that Anne (EVANS) POTTENGER was Mary's niece, daughter of Mary's brother Richard.] Fredric Z. Saunders. === Brocke, Edward, Prince George's County, 5th Mch., 1712; 19th June, 1714, To granddau. Mary Nicholls and hrs., that part of "Brock," or "'Rock Hall" on E. side Collington branch. To Grandson Mathew Mogbee and hrs., 100 A., being other part of "Rock Hall" on W. side Collington. to grandson Brock Mogbee and hrs., dwelling plantation and land adjoining that devised his brother Mathew afsd. Should granddau. Mary Nicholls die, land devised to her to go to her brother Mathew, and he dying without issue, to grandson Brock Mogbee afsd. grandchild. by dau. Offet, viz.,, Edward, William, James and Thos. Offett., sons of William Offett and dau. Mary,,. his wife, residue of "Brock Hall" on N. side Brock branch. Should any of grandsons afsd. die, his portion of sd. land to pass to other grandson, John Offett, and hrs. Ex.: Son-in-law Wm. Offett afsd. Personal estate to be used for education of grandsons Mogbee afsd. Overseers: Alexander Beale and Jno. Gerrard. Test: Mareen Duvall, Sr., Ninian Beall, Jno. Wall.13. 723. . . .

Hello, everybody! It's been a while since I posted, because I've been working on other projects and haven't managed to keep up with all the Evans research. But after reviewing my files, I just thought I'd ask if anybody had come up with new information that would help refine our current chronology of the earliest Evanses. Here's what I have so far. Please correct me if I've made any mistakes! We don't have any evidence of when Richard Evans was born. However, there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting that he was the Richard Evans who came to Maryland with Captain Edward Brock (spelled Brooke below) of Calvert County in 1671: MD patents Liber 16 (vol 19), folio 402 5 Jan. 1671 Came Edward Brooke of Calvert County and proved his right to five hundred acres of land to him due for Transporting himself, John Miles, [Sarah] Miles, William Gofe, Sarah Evans, Edward Evans, Wm. [Evans], Richard Evans, John Evans & Mary Evans into this Province to Inhabit. This looks like a family grouping, and although there's not enough evidence to be sure, my guess would be that Sarah Evans, listed first, is the head of family, and that Edward, William, Richard, John, and Mary are her children (and probably all minors). The reason that this might be our Richard is based on some land transactions, showing that Edward Brock's land was in the same general area where Richard Evans' descendants lived, and that the families had some loose connections. Specifically, Edward Brock sold some of his land to John Duvall, whose widow, Mary, mentions Robert and Ann Evans Pottenger as her "cousins" in her 1740 will. Precisely how they were related is uncertain (it seems unlikely that Mary Duvall was the same as Mary Evans, perhaps Richard's sister, or she would probably have referred to the Pottengers as her nephew and niece); but there were other connections. John Duvall's father, Mareen Duvall, was a close friend of Edward Brock. John's niece, Elizabeth Tyler, married Robert Pottenger's brother, Samuel. It's possible that this is why Mary Duvall called Robert and Ann cousins. At any rate, the first records we know of that definitely mention our Richard Evans are his 1685 patent of "Barbados" in Charles County. He had no more land dealings until 1696, when he patented "Evans' Range" in Calvert County. If Richard had been a child in 1671, that might explain why it took so much time for him to patent any land. He would probably have had to be at least twenty-one to do that, and if he had been about that age in 1685, he would have been born about 1663, and seven years old when he came to Maryland, if he is the Richard Evans of 1671. I remember receiving a message on this board (which I can't find now that I need it) which indicated that Richard Evans and Elizabeth Hall were married by 1694 or 1695. It was something having to do with a Quaker meeting at which Elizabeth was already named Evans. But so far that seems to be the earliest evidence of their marriage. Has anybody found the guardianship papers for Richard's children yet? They are supposed to be from November, 1714 (not 1704), and they appoint one of Elizabeth's brothers guardian for Samuel, Elizabeth, and Richard Evans. Under the terms of their father's will, Samuel and Richard (then unborn) would "come of age" at eighteen, and Ann and Elizabeth at sixteen. That is to say, they would reach the age of majority (at least in relation to their inheritance) at that age. The guardianship papers recite that Samuel and Elizabeth were over the age of fourteen, and therefore entitled to choose their guardian, while Richard was under the age of fourteen (and we know with reasonable certainty that he must have been born in 1703). No guardian was appointed for Ann Evans, which means that she had come of age and was therefore at least sixteen years old in 1714. In other words, she was born no later than November, 1698. But as a guardian was appointed for Samuel and Elizabeth, we know that they had not yet come of age. This means that Samuel was almost certainly not yet eighteen, and therefore born no earlier than November, 1696, and no later than November, 1700, while Elizabeth must have been born between November, 1698 and November, 1700. I suppose that it is possible (although I think it unlikely) that a guardian would still have been appointed until Samuel had reached the age of twenty-one. But even if this were so, he could not have been born any earlier than November, 1693. It makes no sense to keep referring to him as "Samuel Evans 1691" when we know with reasonable certainty that he was not born until at least November 1693, and in all probability no earlier than November, 1696. The most likely period for his birth is 1697-1700. Until recently I had no evidence of when Elizabeth Hall Evans and James Kingsbury were married, and supposed that it might have been about 1714, and the cause of the guardianship proceedings. This placed the birth of her children, James and Priscilla Kingsbury, after 1714. But I believe we now have some records indicating that they were already married by 1705. That means that James and Priscilla might have been born earlier, but other than that it doesn't really fix their ages. So this is what I have as an outline: Richard Evans, probably born by or before 1663; Ann Evans, b. before November, 1698 Samuel Evans, b. November, 1696 – November, 1700 Elizabeth Evans, b. November, 1698 – November, 1700 Richard Evans, b. 1703 James Kingsbury, b. after 1704 Priscilla Kingsbury, b. after 1704 I still think it is important to get a copy of the guardianship papers from 1714, if at all possible. They are our best evidence of the ages of the children in this family. Paul A. Thorn

Thanks! ________________________________ From: Evans-Richard List Administrator <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 7:47:26 PM Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] which issue? Hi Linda, I posted that leaving town for the day. I just got home, saw your message and checked the journal. There is no name on the page [I was pretty sure that if there had been a name on it, I would have included it]. That being said, I can give you the journal information.... So, here it is. "The Twelve Steps For Recovering Genealogists" was found in Terrebonne Life Lines Vol 20 No 2 Summer 2001 page 163 R On 10/30/10Saturday 11:34 AM, Linda Wiley wrote: > Cute, Renee! Can this be attributed to anyone or is a free-to-use goodie? > Linda > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, I posted that leaving town for the day. I just got home, saw your message and checked the journal. There is no name on the page [I was pretty sure that if there had been a name on it, I would have included it]. That being said, I can give you the journal information.... So, here it is. "The Twelve Steps For Recovering Genealogists" was found in Terrebonne Life Lines Vol 20 No 2 Summer 2001 page 163 R On 10/30/10Saturday 11:34 AM, Linda Wiley wrote: > Cute, Renee! Can this be attributed to anyone or is a free-to-use goodie? > Linda > >

*The Twelve Steps for Recovering Genealogists * * * 1. I admit that I am powerless over my gedcom and that my life has become unmanageable 2. I believe that there is a greater power other than genealogy and that it will restore sanity to my life. 3. I have made a decision to turn my life over to non-genealogists and hope that they will understand me. 4. I have admitted to myself and other genealogists that I am addicted to my obituary files. 5. I vow to no longer discuss "dead people" with my few remaining friends in hopes that they will remain my friends. 6. I promise to take photographs of things other than tombstones. 7. My only source of reading material will no longer be census, wills, death certificates and obituaries. 8. I will not spend family vacations in out-of-state libraries and courthouses. 9. Family picnics will no longer be held in cemeteries. 10. My family will no longer be referred to as "the live ones." 11. My time spent on the Internet will be limited to sites other than Rootsweb.com, Ancestry.com and MyGenealogy.com. 12. I will carry these messages to other genealogists and practice these principles every day.

Cute, Renee! Can this be attributed to anyone or is a free-to-use goodie? Linda ________________________________ From: Renee H. Bennett <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> To: EVANS-richard@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 9:10:29 AM Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Ready for a little comic relief? *The Twelve Steps for Recovering Genealogists * * * 1. I admit that I am powerless over my gedcom and that my life has become unmanageable 2. I believe that there is a greater power other than genealogy and that it will restore sanity to my life. 3. I have made a decision to turn my life over to non-genealogists and hope that they will understand me. 4. I have admitted to myself and other genealogists that I am addicted to my obituary files. 5. I vow to no longer discuss "dead people" with my few remaining friends in hopes that they will remain my friends. 6. I promise to take photographs of things other than tombstones. 7. My only source of reading material will no longer be census, wills, death certificates and obituaries. 8. I will not spend family vacations in out-of-state libraries and courthouses. 9. Family picnics will no longer be held in cemeteries. 10. My family will no longer be referred to as "the live ones." 11. My time spent on the Internet will be limited to sites other than Rootsweb.com, Ancestry.com and MyGenealogy.com. 12. I will carry these messages to other genealogists and practice these principles every day. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that clue. Lot to say about it .... when I get my act together! On 10/21/10Thursday 9:41 PM, Leanne Baraban wrote: > "The Wainwright Oklahoma Miller O'Brien" Family tree on Ancestry states that > John R Evans (1839) parents are Joseph Evans (1805-1875) and Nancy Peace > (1815-1880). Ellen M Clark (1846-1925) > > Joseph Evans parents are Andrew Evans April 4 1779 VA and Sarah Roberson > 1777 NC. > > _____ > > > Andrew EVANS was born in 1779. He was an ordained minister in Knox County, > Kentucky on May 21, 1816 at Poplar Creek Baptist Church. > > > > May the 21, 1816 > > > > To all to whom these presents Shall Come > > > > This is to Certify that at the Call and requist of the Baptist Church of > Christ at Poplar Creek, Knox County, State of Kentucky, Brother Andrew EVANS > was ordained and Set apart to officiate and Exercise himself fully in the > ministerial function Ageeable to the word and ordinnces of God as on of the > Baptist order. By us Elder Moses FOLEY, Elder James Matthews. Test: Thomas > FOLEY, Clerk of Said Church. > > > > Thought to have been brother and sister are the following: 1) Nathaniel > EVANS [b. 1755. He m. Nancy MONTGOMERY in 1780 in Virginia. They moved to > Lincoln County, Kentucky about 1789]; 2) William EVANS [b. 1756. He m. > Judith WILSON in 1774 in Virginia. They moved to Lincoln County, Kentucky > which later became Bell County, Kentucky. Their home was on Evans Mountain. > William EVANS died about 1825 on Evans Mountain]; 3) John EVANS Jr. [b. 1763 > in Virginia. He m. 1) Nancy TALBOT on 27 Sept 1789 in Lincoln County, > Kentucky. He m. 2) Mary PRICE on 29 March 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. > He died 1837 in Rockcastle County, Kentucky]; 4) Andrew EVANS [b. 4 April > 1763 in Frederick County, Virginia. He m. Sarah ROBERSON on 27 Nov 1797 in > Lincoln County, Kentucky. Andrew EVANS died 25 May 1834 in Whitley County, > Kentucky. He and his wife are buried in the Mossy Gap Cemetery in Whitley > County, Kentucky. Andrew was ordained as a minister in May 1816]; 5) David > EVANS; 6) Joseph EVANS [Joseph EVANS m. Elizabeth NASH on 24 Dec 1793 in > Lincoln County, Kentucky]; 7) James EVANS; 8) Robert Morgan EVANS [Robert > Morgan EVANS was b. 17 Feb 1783 in Frederick County, Virginia. He m. Jane > TRIMBLE on 16 Jan 1805 at Paris, Bourbon County, Kentucky. He died in 1844 > in Evansville, Indiana. He moved his family to Gibson County, Indiana in > 1805 and then to Evansville, Indiana in 1826.]. > > > > Andrew EVANS is thought to have been born ca. 1763-1770 in Frederick County, > Virginia. He married Sarah ROBERSON ca. 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. > Andrew EVANS died May 25, 1834 in Whitley County, Kentucky. He and his wife > are buried in the Mossy Gap Cemetery in Whitley County, Kentucky. > > > > Tis "note" dated October 1826 is signed by Andrew EVANS and he promises to > pay Thomas FOLEY the sum of $100.00 on or before March 1, 1827?.... > > > > On or before the first day of March Next I promise to pay Thomas FOLEY the > first and full sum of one hundred dollars. In witness my hand and seal this > Tenth day of October 1826. Signed: Andrew EVANS. Test: Frank BALLENGER. > > > > Andrew migrated to Whitley Co. Kt after his marriage to Sarah Roberson. > Records in Cumberland River Baptist Church indicated he and his wife, Sarah, > joined the Church in 1809. Minutes of the Church show that on Saturday Jun 1 > they were received by letter. Andrew was ordained as a minister in May 1816 > > > > It was established that Andrew Married a second time to Jincy Wilson on Nov > 4, 1833 in Madison Co, Kentucky. Jincy Wilson was the widow of David Wilson > Jr. > > > > Marriage 1 Sarah ROBERSON > > > > Married: 27 NOV 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky > > > > Children > > > > Margaret EVANS b: ABT. 1800 in Knox County, Kentucky > > > > William EVANS b: 22 JAN 1801 in Knox County, Kentucky > > > > John Rosen EVANS b: 7 MAR 1803 in Knox County, Kentucky > > > > Simon Ambrose EVANS > > > > Polly EVANS > > > > Joseph EVANS b: ABT. 1806 in Kentucky > > > > Evan W. EVANS > > > > Jackson EVANS > > > > Marriage 2 Jincy\Joicy UNKNOWN > > > > Married: 4 NOV 1833 in Madison County, Kentucky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evans-Richard List > Administrator > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:53 PM > To: OURevans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Evanses in 1880 census > > > > [this bounced back; sending again; sorry if you get it twice] > > > > Hi > > > > I've been looking at the 1880 census in Rush, Kenton County, Kentucky. > > I've found my G Grandparents George Evans and Parolee Doss Evans and > > their children: Charles, Annie, Frank, Theodore, Hellen. > > > > But here's the thing:... they seem to be living in the same space as > > another Evans family: > > John Evans, who is 37, and his wife Ellen, who is 34 and their daughters > > Mary [14] and Jane [10] > > Everyone in that family was born in Kentucky, including their parents. > > > > My question is: does anyone "out there" have any idea who John Evans > > married to Ellen might be? Whose son would John have been? What was > > Ellen's last name? And how were John and George related? > > > > Has anyone out there studied the Kentucky Evanses? > > One would think that they would have been among the group the emigrated > > from Pennsylvania after the war. Some emigrated even further to Ohio > > when it was safe enough from Indians to claim their lands [about > > 1800].... but others stayed in KY.....I suspect John is from the ones > > that stayed... but I'm not sure who these were. > > > > Would appreciate any help. > > > > Renee > >

"The Wainwright Oklahoma Miller O'Brien" Family tree on Ancestry states that John R Evans (1839) parents are Joseph Evans (1805-1875) and Nancy Peace (1815-1880). Ellen M Clark (1846-1925) Joseph Evans parents are Andrew Evans April 4 1779 VA and Sarah Roberson 1777 NC. _____ <javascript:$Anc.load(%7btype:'miniprofile',%20onSuccess:function(config)%7b $MP.showMiniProfile(config);%7d,ucdmid:'00597cce-0003-0000-0000-000000000000 ',contextType:0,contextValue:'',id:'9bf595ab'%7d);> DennisGlascockoriginally submitted this to Parker <http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/ViewStory.aspx?tid=3631200&oid=c585ff6f-d4b0-4 971-9302-b1f3f44a52c3> Tree on 1 Oct 2007 Andrew EVANS was born in 1779. He was an ordained minister in Knox County, Kentucky on May 21, 1816 at Poplar Creek Baptist Church. May the 21, 1816 To all to whom these presents Shall Come This is to Certify that at the Call and requist of the Baptist Church of Christ at Poplar Creek, Knox County, State of Kentucky, Brother Andrew EVANS was ordained and Set apart to officiate and Exercise himself fully in the ministerial function Ageeable to the word and ordinnces of God as on of the Baptist order. By us Elder Moses FOLEY, Elder James Matthews. Test: Thomas FOLEY, Clerk of Said Church. Thought to have been brother and sister are the following: 1) Nathaniel EVANS [b. 1755. He m. Nancy MONTGOMERY in 1780 in Virginia. They moved to Lincoln County, Kentucky about 1789]; 2) William EVANS [b. 1756. He m. Judith WILSON in 1774 in Virginia. They moved to Lincoln County, Kentucky which later became Bell County, Kentucky. Their home was on Evans Mountain. William EVANS died about 1825 on Evans Mountain]; 3) John EVANS Jr. [b. 1763 in Virginia. He m. 1) Nancy TALBOT on 27 Sept 1789 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. He m. 2) Mary PRICE on 29 March 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. He died 1837 in Rockcastle County, Kentucky]; 4) Andrew EVANS [b. 4 April 1763 in Frederick County, Virginia. He m. Sarah ROBERSON on 27 Nov 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. Andrew EVANS died 25 May 1834 in Whitley County, Kentucky. He and his wife are buried in the Mossy Gap Cemetery in Whitley County, Kentucky. Andrew was ordained as a minister in May 1816]; 5) David EVANS; 6) Joseph EVANS [Joseph EVANS m. Elizabeth NASH on 24 Dec 1793 in Lincoln County, Kentucky]; 7) James EVANS; 8) Robert Morgan EVANS [Robert Morgan EVANS was b. 17 Feb 1783 in Frederick County, Virginia. He m. Jane TRIMBLE on 16 Jan 1805 at Paris, Bourbon County, Kentucky. He died in 1844 in Evansville, Indiana. He moved his family to Gibson County, Indiana in 1805 and then to Evansville, Indiana in 1826.]. Andrew EVANS is thought to have been born ca. 1763-1770 in Frederick County, Virginia. He married Sarah ROBERSON ca. 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky. Andrew EVANS died May 25, 1834 in Whitley County, Kentucky. He and his wife are buried in the Mossy Gap Cemetery in Whitley County, Kentucky. Tis "note" dated October 1826 is signed by Andrew EVANS and he promises to pay Thomas FOLEY the sum of $100.00 on or before March 1, 1827?.... On or before the first day of March Next I promise to pay Thomas FOLEY the first and full sum of one hundred dollars. In witness my hand and seal this Tenth day of October 1826. Signed: Andrew EVANS. Test: Frank BALLENGER. Andrew migrated to Whitley Co. Kt after his marriage to Sarah Roberson. Records in Cumberland River Baptist Church indicated he and his wife, Sarah, joined the Church in 1809. Minutes of the Church show that on Saturday Jun 1 they were received by letter. Andrew was ordained as a minister in May 1816 It was established that Andrew Married a second time to Jincy Wilson on Nov 4, 1833 in Madison Co, Kentucky. Jincy Wilson was the widow of David Wilson Jr. Marriage 1 Sarah ROBERSON Married: 27 NOV 1797 in Lincoln County, Kentucky Children Margaret EVANS b: ABT. 1800 in Knox County, Kentucky William EVANS b: 22 JAN 1801 in Knox County, Kentucky John Rosen EVANS b: 7 MAR 1803 in Knox County, Kentucky Simon Ambrose EVANS Polly EVANS Joseph EVANS b: ABT. 1806 in Kentucky Evan W. EVANS Jackson EVANS Marriage 2 Jincy\Joicy UNKNOWN Married: 4 NOV 1833 in Madison County, Kentucky -----Original Message----- From: evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evans-Richard List Administrator Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:53 PM To: OURevans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Evanses in 1880 census [this bounced back; sending again; sorry if you get it twice] Hi I've been looking at the 1880 census in Rush, Kenton County, Kentucky. I've found my G Grandparents George Evans and Parolee Doss Evans and their children: Charles, Annie, Frank, Theodore, Hellen. But here's the thing:... they seem to be living in the same space as another Evans family: John Evans, who is 37, and his wife Ellen, who is 34 and their daughters Mary [14] and Jane [10] Everyone in that family was born in Kentucky, including their parents. My question is: does anyone "out there" have any idea who John Evans married to Ellen might be? Whose son would John have been? What was Ellen's last name? And how were John and George related? Has anyone out there studied the Kentucky Evanses? One would think that they would have been among the group the emigrated from Pennsylvania after the war. Some emigrated even further to Ohio when it was safe enough from Indians to claim their lands [about 1800].... but others stayed in KY.....I suspect John is from the ones that stayed... but I'm not sure who these were. Would appreciate any help. Renee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[this bounced back; sending again; sorry if you get it twice] Hi I've been looking at the 1880 census in Rush, Kenton County, Kentucky. I've found my G Grandparents George Evans and Parolee Doss Evans and their children: Charles, Annie, Frank, Theodore, Hellen. But here's the thing:... they seem to be living in the same space as another Evans family: John Evans, who is 37, and his wife Ellen, who is 34 and their daughters Mary [14] and Jane [10] Everyone in that family was born in Kentucky, including their parents. My question is: does anyone "out there" have any idea who John Evans married to Ellen might be? Whose son would John have been? What was Ellen's last name? And how were John and George related? Has anyone out there studied the Kentucky Evanses? One would think that they would have been among the group the emigrated from Pennsylvania after the war. Some emigrated even further to Ohio when it was safe enough from Indians to claim their lands [about 1800].... but others stayed in KY.....I suspect John is from the ones that stayed... but I'm not sure who these were. Would appreciate any help. Renee

Several issues of the publication of Imperial St. Landry Genealogical and Historical Society, "N'Oubliez Pas" have come into my possession. In Vol. III NO 4, there is an article entitled "Colonel James Bowie: Early Opelousas Citizen". In it several names which are probably to most Evans researchers on our mailing list appear: Bowie, Mullikin, Mary Beal, Elizabeth Pottinger, Allen Bowie, Jr,; Rev John Bowie; and many others...Rezin Bowie; Resa Bowie. The article is 9 pages long, too long to include here. No Evanses are named specifically. Thought you might like to know that this gentleman from Prince George's County, MD ended up in Louisiana...quite a journey. Renee

Thank you again, Molly, for all your great working in searching for those obituaries! David -----Original Message----- From: evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:evans-richard-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Molly Rice Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:30 PM To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Obit/Death Notice Look Up Hi Renee!   No problem - I knew what you meant.  :)  The range of dates varies according to the newspaper.  There are over 1700 newspapers in this database.  I have not had good luck finding any obits at all before about 1910 - 1920.  However, you never know!  Feel free to send me as many requests as you like.  I just did quite a few for David Brandenburg from Georgia and we found 3 - 4 of the ones he was looking for. Thanks, Molly --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Evans-Richard List Administrator <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Evans-Richard List Administrator <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Obit/Death Notice Look Up To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:16 PM   Oh my goodness... I see that my automatic spell check changed "you can be sure" to "you can bedsore". I promise you... "bedsore" is not what I wrote!!! Did we ever get a range of dates so we can know which death dates to search for I'm back home, as you can tell! R On 10/17/10Sunday 9:43 AM, Administrator Evans wrote: > I'm out of town right now, but you can bedsore I will take you up on your offer when I return home > Thanks! > Renee > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Molly Rice<alliteration_78@yahoo.com>  wrote: > >> Hello all, >>    I am a public librarian and I have a trial subscription through November 1, 2010 for Newsbank- America's Obituary and Death Notices.  It's a fairly limited database.  It's U.S. only, but the newspapers and dates it covers are very spotty.  If you'd like me to try looking up someone for you, please email me with as much info as you can on the person and I will try my best.  Remember - if it's not in this database, it's most likely still out there somewhere.  I've had some luck, but usually with larger city newspapers. >> Thanks and happy hunting! >> ~Molly Miller-Rice >> g-g-g-granddaughter of America Ellen Evans-Miller >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Got a chuckle out of that one.....my daughter's boss sent out a huge mailing, apologizing for his seeming incompetence in a particular situation, and it was translated to -of course- his incontinence! (and he thought it was a secret!) Alice ________________________________ From: Evans-Richard List Administrator <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:16:54 PM Subject: [EVANS-RICHARD] Obit/Death Notice Look Up Oh my goodness... I see that my automatic spell check changed "you can be sure" to "you can bedsore". I promise you... "bedsore" is not what I wrote!!! Did we ever get a range of dates so we can know which death dates to search for I'm back home, as you can tell! R On 10/17/10Sunday 9:43 AM, Administrator Evans wrote: > I'm out of town right now, but you can bedsore I will take you up on your offer >when I return home > Thanks! > Renee > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Molly Rice<alliteration_78@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I am a public librarian and I have a trial subscription through November 1, >>2010 for Newsbank- America's Obituary and Death Notices. It's a fairly limited >>database. It's U.S. only, but the newspapers and dates it covers are very >>spotty. If you'd like me to try looking up someone for you, please email me >>with as much info as you can on the person and I will try my best. Remember - >>if it's not in this database, it's most likely still out there somewhere. I've >>had some luck, but usually with larger city newspapers. >> Thanks and happy hunting! >> ~Molly Miller-Rice >> g-g-g-granddaughter of America Ellen Evans-Miller >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message