Paul, thanks for your response. Whether we sort this out or not, we certainly are getting some air in the linen. I have been pouring through the foggy cobwebs of my brain and trying to resurrect some old documents I accumulated perhaps as much as 35 years ago. I am not quickly laying my hands on the information I am looking for. I don't know if anyone is aware of this or not, but transcriptions from the Maryland Historical Magazine and published as Maryland Genealogies, states Robert Dixon and Elizabeth Dixon "of the Cliffs," Calvert County, appear in the records of that county in June 1675 as witnesses to the will of Richard Evans "of the Cliff." WHO IN THE WORLD IS THIS RICHARD EVANS? Another area of these publications states Elizabeth Hall 1673 - 1743 m. 1st Richard Evans d. 1702 - m 2nd Dr. James Kingsbury d. 1725. No other details. Nothing new or helpful there. A publication of "A History of Calvert County Maryland," by Charles Francis Stein, states, according to Burke illustrated arms are those of the Hall of family of Walton-on-the-Hill of Surrey, England. The family is said to be Norman and descended from Richard de Aula, on of several brothers who accompanied William the Conqueror to England in 1066. Probably everyone already has this but since we are discussing his daughter, I thought to include it. Again, information published by someone and not provable. However, a thought comes to mind on some of the current material we are reviewing. Even though, some speculate the marriage of the widow Elizabeth Evans to James Kingsbury as much earlier, might the 1714 guardianship occurrence been prompted by this marriage. I realize this statement would certainly add more problem to the coming paragraph speaking of James Jr. & John Kingsbury being sons of Elizabeth. Some transcriptions relate Dr. James Kingsbury as Executor of Richard Evans estate and state he holds several tracts of land for Richard's orphans. First, I don't know that Dr. James Kingsbury was the executor, but if he was, and held in trust the lands for the orphans, a marriage to Elizabeth would have brought about a change. This would still not explain the deed of land to "sons," James and John Kingsbury by Dr. James Kingsbury and Elizabeth (Hall) Evans- Kingsbury. If we can accept that this transcribed document does indeed identify these children as sons of both Dr. James and Elizabeth. If we don't accept this statement, we logically can't accept some of the other records referring to children. The fact that James Jr. named a son John, could explain the executor named John Kingsbury on Anne Pottenger's will. Bottom line to all this is that without additional source documents to review, we are stirring the same old pot and it still comes up stew. I have a small book of data on this one family and still can't say with any certainty how to structure this family. Don -----Original Message----- From: Paul Thorn Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:09 PM To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be appointed their guardian in order to represent them in day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had seen this also Roger. I agree if you don't get to see the document, only someone's transcription, on Ancestry or elsewhere, it is as the expression goes, 'a crap shoot.' On Ancestry, I watch people post something and within days perhaps, 10 or 12 others have picked this up and added it to another tree, their own I suppose. Then One World Tree picks it up and declares that 10 or 12 people have posted it to their tree, therefore it must be right. I am not unique in my research problems I know, but I have a 2G Grandfather whose given name is Sluman. Virtually no one wanted to accept that his name could actually be Sluman. Then my surname grandfather enjoyed rotating his name around, making it a nightmare to track him. Such is the world of genealogy research. I guess if we didn't have perseverance we would find a less stressing hobby. "grin" Don -----Original Message----- From: Roger Burbank Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:31 AM To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans >From going to land of mistakes(ancestry.com) I found a dozen trees. Most had John W. Evans as Dudley's son, mother was Anarah Williams, grand parents were John Evans and Rebecca Ann Martin. At least it explains the name Anarah. Waiting on some doc proof from some Windsor researchers. Roger --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:15 AM > > On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a Vital > Records finder with photographic copies of the surviving > books. What is shown for this period are lists of > marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices of the > peace. > > Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," I > find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October 1813", and > less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy > Windsor, 6 January 1814". > > There's a remote possibility that it could be the same > couple recorded a second time with the maiden name > changed. But I think that quite unlikely. > > There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist covering > this period. But there isn't one in any of the books > microfilmed for this project. Obviously there was a > list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but looking > at the typing, I think they may have been copied back in WPA > days. The originals might no longer exist, or may have > been lost. If they're still in the custody of the > state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU. > There's a less appealing possibility, that they could be at > the Monongalia County Courthouse. County officials are > less likely to keep track of them or keep them in good > condition. > > Probably not the most useful information, but at least > there's a book available for everyone to look at. > > Paul > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > > From: burby9@yahoo.com > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have > emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her > husband John Evans. I have several generations of their > children which probably does not help this problem. We > know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia > Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on > Nancy out there. Roger > > > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and > Don: > > > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there > are two > > > different reasons for appointing guardians. > One is to > > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the > legal > > > position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury > was not > > > the father of the Evans children, he probably > needed to be > > > appointed their guardian in order to represent > them in > > > day-to-day matters. This kind of > guardianship would > > > necessarily have been created soon after his > marriage to the > > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. > This is the > > > kind of guardianship most people are familiar > with today. > > > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less > familiar today, > > > but it was still quite common through the 19th > and into the > > > 20th Centuries. A guardian would be > appointed to > > > represent the legal interests of minors with > respect to > > > property inherited from a deceased parent. > Even though > > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest > man and > > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have > been in a > > > position to harm the children's interest in the > land they > > > inherited from their father. If he had > children of his > > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he > would have a > > > substantial motive to act in their favour at the > expense of > > > his stepchildren. The law dealt with this > conflict by > > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the > land, and > > > who therefore could be presumed to act in the > best interests > > > of the children. > > > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings > would have > > > been commenced eleven years after the death of > Richard > > > Evans, but they might have become necessary > because of a > > > change or dispute with respect to the land that > was part of > > > Richard's estate. For instance, if there > was a dispute > > > over selling part of it, or even if all of the > family agreed > > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal > action with > > > respect to the land. A guardian would have > been > > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't > act to the > > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real > owners of > > > the land. It could even have been triggered > by a > > > change in the status of the children; perhaps > when Ann came > > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to > act on her > > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to > protect the > > > interests of her brothers and sister, who were > still > > > minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall > replaced > > > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704. > I've been > > > trying to think of ways that this could have been > changed to > > > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And > more > > > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, > Samuel over > > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over > fourteen but > > > under sixteen. If the guardianship > proceedings took > > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, > might have > > > been born within three years of the others, and > all four > > > might have been born within six or eight years of > each > > > other. If they took place in 1704, then > Ann, Samuel, > > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, > while > > > Richard was born in 1703. That seems > highly > > > improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of > Calvert > > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates > Elizabeth's date of > > > birth as 1673. That would be fine if her > children were > > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems > unlikely she > > > would have had three children by the age of > seventeen. > > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct > year. Of > > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear > that James > > > had a son by that name. But whether he was > a son of > > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know > when he was > > > born, or whether his father was married > before. In my > > > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" > half-brother to > > > the Evans children, although it may be that he > was only > > > half-brother to James and Priscilla. And > while he > > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can > completely > > > rule out the possibility that he was the same > John Kingsbury > > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's > will. If he > > > had been her brother, she probably would have > made a bequest > > > to him, instead of making him a witness. > But if he > > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his > role. > > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that > might explain > > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I > think there are > > > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or > the other. > > > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John > Evans who > > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans > and Sarah > > > Wood. Since the John Evans who married > Elizabeth > > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and > grandson of > > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who > married > > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same > family. In this > > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have > been the son > > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might > help, however, > > > to identify where they lived, whether they owned > any land, > > > and whether they moved away. > > > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of > the John > > > Evanses married women named Nancy. As I > previously > > > speculated, I think the father of the various > children > > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. > Evans, the son > > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells > in > > > 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that > he wasn't > > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia > County are > > > so easily confused, and could even have > interacted with one > > > another from time to time (I think it's fairly > certain that > > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with > practically > > > everybody in the county), we should keep a record > of all > > > three families for at least a generation or > two. That > > > way, when we run into problems identifying one > Evans or > > > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, > "ah, that > > > one was a member of the John Evans family, not > ours" or the > > > like. > > > > > > Paul > > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, > Elizabeth, > > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the > last few > > > days stirring a lively > > > > debate and exchange of Evans family data > and > > > lineage. Don Raymond > > > > > > > > I do however have some questions that are > quite > > > perplexing to me. > > > > 1. We have an established fact that > Richard > > > Evans died in 1703. My > > > > question is why would there be guardianship > > > proceedings for minor children > > > > some 11 years after the parent's > death? If this > > > date was 1704, I could see > > > > it having relevance. But 11 years > later does not > > > seem to make sense. One > > > > problem we have in discussing these things > is in > > > understanding > > > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at > this > > > time. Another is that I > > > > personally have seen no original documents, > only > > > someone else's > > > > transcription of documents. Even these > are many > > > times republished several > > > > times over leaving one concerned with > accuracy as each > > > person republished > > > > the information. > > > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. > > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her > daughter, > > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > > others of her family. This will assigns > James > > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No > mention is > > > made of John Kingsbury > > > > which did exist based on a deed transfer > from Dr. > > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & > John, > > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This > land was > > > subsequently > > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which > time both > > > James Jr. & John are > > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has > died > > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report > James > > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling > us James > > > Jr. has carried on his > > > > brother's name. > > > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit > land from > > > their parents leaves us > > > > with the continued problem of identifying > Priscilla's > > > parentage correctly, > > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard > Hall, son > > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family > structure for > > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed > and > > > published sources, not > > > > original, but until recently, had never > heard of or > > > read any mention of a > > > > child named Richard in this family. I > am not > > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > > the guardianship documents to validate this, > I guess > > > that is the direction > > > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the > date is > > > not 1714 or that there > > > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John > Evans) has > > > still left me without > > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov > 1785, > > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter > of > > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., > Ross Co., > > > OH. to live out their > > > > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah > Miller > > > connects back to the Evans family > > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family > for this > > > John Evans. Even though > > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet > for this > > > John Evans, your > > > > information is of great value in sorting > through the > > > large number of that > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think we will figure this out. Some one who is direct from Nancy and John will be found. --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Don <dhr1953@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Don <dhr1953@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:13 AM > I had seen this also Roger.  I > agree if you don't get to see the document, > only someone's transcription, on Ancestry or elsewhere, it > is as the > expression goes, 'a crap shoot.'  On Ancestry, I watch > people post something > and within days perhaps, 10 or 12 others have picked this > up and added it to > another tree, their own I suppose.  Then One World > Tree picks it up and > declares that 10 or 12 people have posted it to their tree, > therefore it > must be right. > > I am not unique in my research problems I know, but I have > a 2G Grandfather > whose given name is Sluman.  Virtually no one wanted > to accept that his name > could actually be Sluman.  Then my surname grandfather > enjoyed rotating his > name around, making it a nightmare to track him. > > Such is the world of genealogy research.  I guess if > we didn't have > perseverance we would find a less stressing hobby.  > "grin"    Don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Burbank > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:31 AM > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury > & John Evans > > From going to land of mistakes(ancestry.com) I found a > dozen trees.  Most > had John W. Evans as Dudley's son, mother was Anarah > Williams, grand parents > were John Evans and Rebecca Ann Martin.  At least it > explains the name > Anarah.  Waiting on some doc proof from some Windsor > researchers.  Roger > > --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:15 AM > > > > On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a > Vital > > Records finder with photographic copies of the > surviving > > books.  What is shown for this period are lists > of > > marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices > of the > > peace. > > > > Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," > I > > find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October > 1813", and > > less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy > > Windsor, 6 January 1814". > > > > There's a remote possibility that it could be the > same > > couple recorded a second time with the maiden name > > changed.  But I think that quite unlikely. > > > > There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist > covering > > this period.  But there isn't one in any of the > books > > microfilmed for this project.  Obviously there > was a > > list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but > looking > > at the typing, I think they may have been copied back > in WPA > > days.  The originals might no longer exist, or > may have > > been lost.  If they're still in the custody of > the > > state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU. > > There's a less appealing possibility, that they could > be at > > the Monongalia County Courthouse.  County > officials are > > less likely to keep track of them or keep them in > good > > condition. > > > > Probably not the most useful information, but at > least > > there's a book available for everyone to look at. > > > > Paul > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > > > From: burby9@yahoo.com > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I > have > > emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on > her > > husband John Evans. I have several generations of > their > > children which probably does not help this > problem.  We > > know who her parents were William Windsor and > Parthenia > > Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or > bond on > > Nancy out there. Roger > > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, > Elizabeth, > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée > and > > Don: > > > > > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: > there > > are two > > > > different reasons for appointing guardians. > > One is to > > > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in > the > > legal > > > > position of a parent.  Since James > Kingsbury > > was not > > > > the father of the Evans children, he > probably > > needed to be > > > > appointed their guardian in order to > represent > > them in > > > > day-to-day matters.  This kind of > > guardianship would > > > > necessarily have been created soon after > his > > marriage to the > > > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. > > This is the > > > > kind of guardianship most people are > familiar > > with today. > > > > > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less > > familiar today, > > > > but it was still quite common through the > 19th > > and into the > > > > 20th Centuries.  A guardian would be > > appointed to > > > > represent the legal interests of minors > with > > respect to > > > > property inherited from a deceased parent. > > Even though > > > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and > honest > > man and > > > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would > have > > been in a > > > > position to harm the children's interest in > the > > land they > > > > inherited from their father.  If he > had > > children of his > > > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, > he > > would have a > > > > substantial motive to act in their favour at > the > > expense of > > > > his stepchildren.  The law dealt with > this > > conflict by > > > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in > the > > land, and > > > > who therefore could be presumed to act in > the > > best interests > > > > of the children. > > > > > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship > proceedings > > would have > > > > been commenced eleven years after the death > of > > Richard > > > > Evans, but they might have become necessary > > because of a > > > > change or dispute with respect to the land > that > > was part of > > > > Richard's estate.  For instance, if > there > > was a dispute > > > > over selling part of it, or even if all of > the > > family agreed > > > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal > > action with > > > > respect to the land.  A guardian would > have > > been > > > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury > didn't > > act to the > > > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the > real > > owners of > > > > the land.  It could even have been > triggered > > by a > > > > change in the status of the children; > perhaps > > when Ann came > > > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled > to > > act on her > > > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to > > protect the > > > > interests of her brothers and sister, who > were > > still > > > > minors.  It could also be that Benjamin > Hall > > replaced > > > > an earlier guardian who had died or > resigned. > > > > > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that > the > > > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704. > > I've been > > > > trying to think of ways that this could have > been > > changed to > > > > 1714, but they seem > overly-complicated.  And > > more > > > > importantly, we know that Ann was over > sixteen, > > Samuel over > > > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth > over > > fourteen but > > > > under sixteen.  If the guardianship > > proceedings took > > > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest > son, > > might have > > > > been born within three years of the others, > and > > all four > > > > might have been born within six or eight > years of > > each > > > > other.  If they took place in 1704, > then > > Ann, Samuel, > > > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than > 1690, > > while > > > > Richard was born in 1703.  That seems > > highly > > > > improbable.  In his article, "Hall > Family of > > Calvert > > > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates > > Elizabeth's date of > > > > birth as 1673.  That would be fine if > her > > children were > > > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems > > unlikely she > > > > would have had three children by the age of > > seventeen. > > > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct > > year.  Of > > > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does > appear > > that James > > > > had a son by that name.  But whether he > was > > a son of > > > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't > know > > when he was > > > > born, or whether his father was married > > before.  In my > > > > opinion, we should consider him a > "possible" > > half-brother to > > > > the Evans children, although it may be that > he > > was only > > > > half-brother to James and Priscilla.  > And > > while he > > > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we > can > > completely > > > > rule out the possibility that he was the > same > > John Kingsbury > > > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's > > will.  If he > > > > had been her brother, she probably would > have > > made a bequest > > > > to him, instead of making him a witness. > > But if he > > > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain > his > > role. > > > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, > that > > might explain > > > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will.  > I > > think there are > > > > too many unknowns to assign him to one > status or > > the other. > > > > > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the > John > > Evans who > > > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward > Evans > > and Sarah > > > > Wood.  Since the John Evans who > married > > Elizabeth > > > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, > and > > grandson of > > > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one > who > > married > > > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same > > family.  In this > > > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may > have > > been the son > > > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman.  It > might > > help, however, > > > > to identify where they lived, whether they > owned > > any land, > > > > and whether they moved away. > > > > > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two > of > > the John > > > > Evanses married women named Nancy.  As > I > > previously > > > > speculated, I think the father of the > various > > children > > > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. > > Evans, the son > > > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy > Wells > > in > > > > 1813.  But at the moment I can't prove > that > > he wasn't > > > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > > > > > Because the three Evans families of > Monongalia > > County are > > > > so easily confused, and could even have > > interacted with one > > > > another from time to time (I think it's > fairly > > certain that > > > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted > with > > practically > > > > everybody in the county), we should keep a > record > > of all > > > > three families for at least a generation or > > two.  That > > > > way, when we run into problems identifying > one > > Evans or > > > > another, we'll have a source to look at and > say, > > "ah, that > > > > one was a member of the John Evans family, > not > > ours" or the > > > > like. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, > > Elizabeth, > > > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in > the > > last few > > > > days stirring a lively > > > > > debate and exchange of Evans family > data > > and > > > > lineage.  Don Raymond > > > > > > > > > > I do however have some questions that > are > > quite > > > > perplexing to me. > > > > > 1.  We have an established fact > that > > Richard > > > > Evans died in 1703.  My > > > > > question is why would there be > guardianship > > > > proceedings for minor children > > > > > some 11 years after the parent's > > death?  If this > > > > date was 1704, I could see > > > > > it having relevance.  But 11 > years > > later does not > > > > seem to make sense.  One > > > > > problem we have in discussing these > things > > is in > > > > understanding > > > > > English/Colonial Law which was in > effect at > > this > > > > time.  Another is that I > > > > > personally have seen no original > documents, > > only > > > > someone else's > > > > > transcription of documents.  Even > these > > are many > > > > times republished several > > > > > times over leaving one concerned with > > accuracy as each > > > > person republished > > > > > the information. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a > transcription. > > > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her > > daughter, > > > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > > > others of her family. This will > assigns > > James > > > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor.  > No > > mention is > > > > made of John Kingsbury > > > > > which did exist based on a deed > transfer > > from Dr. > > > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James > & > > John, > > > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. > This > > land was > > > > subsequently > > > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at > which > > time both > > > > James Jr. & John are > > > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John > has > > died > > > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents > report > > James > > > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. > Telling > > us James > > > > Jr. has carried on his > > > > > brother's name. > > > > > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always > inherit > > land from > > > > their parents leaves us > > > > > with the continued problem of > identifying > > Priscilla's > > > > parentage correctly, > > > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a > Richard > > Hall, son > > > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > > > (Hall) Evans.  I have had a > family > > structure for > > > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > > > 1985 or before, garnered from > transcribed > > and > > > > published sources, not > > > > > original, but until recently, had > never > > heard of or > > > > read any mention of a > > > > > child named Richard in this > family.  I > > am not > > > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > > > the guardianship documents to validate > this, > > I guess > > > > that is the direction > > > > > we need to direct our energies. And > hope the > > date is > > > > not 1714 or that there > > > > > is a valid explanation for that late > date. > > > > > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many > John > > Evans) has > > > > still left me without > > > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 > Nov > > 1785, > > > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, > daughter > > of > > > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green > Twp., > > Ross Co., > > > > OH. to live out their > > > > > lives.  As I say, I know how > Sarah > > Miller > > > > connects back to the Evans family > > > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a > family > > for this > > > > John Evans.  Even though > > > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection > yet > > for this > > > > John Evans, your > > > > > information is of great value in > sorting > > through the > > > > large number of that > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an > > email to > > > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the > > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an > > email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the > > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

>From going to land of mistakes(ancestry.com) I found a dozen trees.  Most had John W. Evans as Dudley's son, mother was Anarah Williams, grand parents were John Evans and Rebecca Ann Martin. At least it explains the name Anarah. Waiting on some doc proof from some Windsor researchers. Roger --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:15 AM > > On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a Vital > Records finder with photographic copies of the surviving > books.  What is shown for this period are lists of > marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices of the > peace. > > Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," I > find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October 1813", and > less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy > Windsor, 6 January 1814". > > There's a remote possibility that it could be the same > couple recorded a second time with the maiden name > changed.  But I think that quite unlikely. > > There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist covering > this period.  But there isn't one in any of the books > microfilmed for this project.  Obviously there was a > list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but looking > at the typing, I think they may have been copied back in WPA > days.  The originals might no longer exist, or may have > been lost.  If they're still in the custody of the > state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU.  > There's a less appealing possibility, that they could be at > the Monongalia County Courthouse.  County officials are > less likely to keep track of them or keep them in good > condition. > > Probably not the most useful information, but at least > there's a book available for everyone to look at. > > Paul > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > > From: burby9@yahoo.com > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have > emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her > husband John Evans. I have several generations of their > children which probably does not help this problem.  We > know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia > Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on > Nancy out there. Roger > > > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and > Don: > > > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there > are two > > > different reasons for appointing guardians.  > One is to > > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the > legal > > > position of a parent.  Since James Kingsbury > was not > > > the father of the Evans children, he probably > needed to be > > > appointed their guardian in order to represent > them in > > > day-to-day matters.  This kind of > guardianship would > > > necessarily have been created soon after his > marriage to the > > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans.  > This is the > > > kind of guardianship most people are familiar > with today. > > > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less > familiar today, > > > but it was still quite common through the 19th > and into the > > > 20th Centuries.  A guardian would be > appointed to > > > represent the legal interests of minors with > respect to > > > property inherited from a deceased parent.  > Even though > > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest > man and > > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have > been in a > > > position to harm the children's interest in the > land they > > > inherited from their father.  If he had > children of his > > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he > would have a > > > substantial motive to act in their favour at the > expense of > > > his stepchildren.  The law dealt with this > conflict by > > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the > land, and > > > who therefore could be presumed to act in the > best interests > > > of the children. > > > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings > would have > > > been commenced eleven years after the death of > Richard > > > Evans, but they might have become necessary > because of a > > > change or dispute with respect to the land that > was part of > > > Richard's estate.  For instance, if there > was a dispute > > > over selling part of it, or even if all of the > family agreed > > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal > action with > > > respect to the land.  A guardian would have > been > > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't > act to the > > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real > owners of > > > the land.  It could even have been triggered > by a > > > change in the status of the children; perhaps > when Ann came > > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to > act on her > > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to > protect the > > > interests of her brothers and sister, who were > still > > > minors.  It could also be that Benjamin Hall > replaced > > > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704.  > I've been > > > trying to think of ways that this could have been > changed to > > > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated.  And > more > > > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, > Samuel over > > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over > fourteen but > > > under sixteen.  If the guardianship > proceedings took > > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, > might have > > > been born within three years of the others, and > all four > > > might have been born within six or eight years of > each > > > other.  If they took place in 1704, then > Ann, Samuel, > > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, > while > > > Richard was born in 1703.  That seems > highly > > > improbable.  In his article, "Hall Family of > Calvert > > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates > Elizabeth's date of > > > birth as 1673.  That would be fine if her > children were > > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems > unlikely she > > > would have had three children by the age of > seventeen. > > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct > year.  Of > > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear > that James > > > had a son by that name.  But whether he was > a son of > > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know > when he was > > > born, or whether his father was married > before.  In my > > > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" > half-brother to > > > the Evans children, although it may be that he > was only > > > half-brother to James and Priscilla.  And > while he > > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can > completely > > > rule out the possibility that he was the same > John Kingsbury > > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's > will.  If he > > > had been her brother, she probably would have > made a bequest > > > to him, instead of making him a witness.  > But if he > > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his > role. > > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that > might explain > > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will.  I > think there are > > > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or > the other. > > > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John > Evans who > > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans > and Sarah > > > Wood.  Since the John Evans who married > Elizabeth > > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and > grandson of > > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who > married > > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same > family.  In this > > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have > been the son > > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman.  It might > help, however, > > > to identify where they lived, whether they owned > any land, > > > and whether they moved away. > > > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of > the John > > > Evanses married women named Nancy.  As I > previously > > > speculated, I think the father of the various > children > > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. > Evans, the son > > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells > in > > > 1813.  But at the moment I can't prove that > he wasn't > > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia > County are > > > so easily confused, and could even have > interacted with one > > > another from time to time (I think it's fairly > certain that > > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with > practically > > > everybody in the county), we should keep a record > of all > > > three families for at least a generation or > two.  That > > > way, when we run into problems identifying one > Evans or > > > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, > "ah, that > > > one was a member of the John Evans family, not > ours" or the > > > like. > > > > > > Paul > > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, > Elizabeth, > > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the > last few > > > days stirring a lively > > > > debate and exchange of Evans family data > and > > > lineage.  Don Raymond > > > > > > > > I do however have some questions that are > quite > > > perplexing to me. > > > > 1.  We have an established fact that > Richard > > > Evans died in 1703.  My > > > > question is why would there be guardianship > > > proceedings for minor children > > > > some 11 years after the parent's > death?  If this > > > date was 1704, I could see > > > > it having relevance.  But 11 years > later does not > > > seem to make sense.  One > > > > problem we have in discussing these things > is in > > > understanding > > > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at > this > > > time.  Another is that I > > > > personally have seen no original documents, > only > > > someone else's > > > > transcription of documents.  Even these > are many > > > times republished several > > > > times over leaving one concerned with > accuracy as each > > > person republished > > > > the information. > > > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. > > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her > daughter, > > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > > others of her family. This will assigns > James > > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor.  No > mention is > > > made of John Kingsbury > > > > which did exist based on a deed transfer > from Dr. > > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & > John, > > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This > land was > > > subsequently > > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which > time both > > > James Jr. & John are > > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has > died > > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report > James > > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling > us James > > > Jr. has carried on his > > > > brother's name. > > > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit > land from > > > their parents leaves us > > > > with the continued problem of identifying > Priscilla's > > > parentage correctly, > > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard > Hall, son > > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > > (Hall) Evans.  I have had a family > structure for > > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed > and > > > published sources, not > > > > original, but until recently, had never > heard of or > > > read any mention of a > > > > child named Richard in this family.  I > am not > > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > > the guardianship documents to validate this, > I guess > > > that is the direction > > > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the > date is > > > not 1714 or that there > > > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John > Evans) has > > > still left me without > > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov > 1785, > > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter > of > > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., > Ross Co., > > > OH. to live out their > > > > lives.  As I say, I know how Sarah > Miller > > > connects back to the Evans family > > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family > for this > > > John Evans.  Even though > > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet > for this > > > John Evans, your > > > > information is of great value in sorting > through the > > > large number of that > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > >  > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > >      > > >          > > >            > > >    > > >  > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > >        > > > >  > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >      >          >            >   >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a Vital Records finder with photographic copies of the surviving books. What is shown for this period are lists of marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices of the peace. Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," I find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October 1813", and less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy Windsor, 6 January 1814". There's a remote possibility that it could be the same couple recorded a second time with the maiden name changed. But I think that quite unlikely. There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist covering this period. But there isn't one in any of the books microfilmed for this project. Obviously there was a list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but looking at the typing, I think they may have been copied back in WPA days. The originals might no longer exist, or may have been lost. If they're still in the custody of the state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU. There's a less appealing possibility, that they could be at the Monongalia County Courthouse. County officials are less likely to keep track of them or keep them in good condition. Probably not the most useful information, but at least there's a book available for everyone to look at. Paul > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > From: burby9@yahoo.com > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her husband John Evans. I have several generations of their children which probably does not help this problem. We know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on Nancy out there. Roger > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two > > different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal > > position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not > > the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be > > appointed their guardian in order to represent them in > > day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would > > necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the > > kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, > > but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the > > 20th Centuries. A guardian would be appointed to > > represent the legal interests of minors with respect to > > property inherited from a deceased parent. Even though > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a > > position to harm the children's interest in the land they > > inherited from their father. If he had children of his > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a > > substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of > > his stepchildren. The law dealt with this conflict by > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and > > who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests > > of the children. > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have > > been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard > > Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a > > change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of > > Richard's estate. For instance, if there was a dispute > > over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with > > respect to the land. A guardian would have been > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of > > the land. It could even have been triggered by a > > change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the > > interests of her brothers and sister, who were still > > minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced > > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704. I've been > > trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to > > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And more > > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but > > under sixteen. If the guardianship proceedings took > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have > > been born within three years of the others, and all four > > might have been born within six or eight years of each > > other. If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while > > Richard was born in 1703. That seems highly > > improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of > > birth as 1673. That would be fine if her children were > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she > > would have had three children by the age of seventeen. > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year. Of > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James > > had a son by that name. But whether he was a son of > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was > > born, or whether his father was married before. In my > > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to > > the Evans children, although it may be that he was only > > half-brother to James and Priscilla. And while he > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely > > rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will. If he > > had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest > > to him, instead of making him a witness. But if he > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role. > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I think there are > > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah > > Wood. Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family. In this > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might help, however, > > to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, > > and whether they moved away. > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John > > Evanses married women named Nancy. As I previously > > speculated, I think the father of the various children > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in > > 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are > > so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one > > another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically > > everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all > > three families for at least a generation or two. That > > way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or > > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that > > one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the > > like. > > > > Paul > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few > > days stirring a lively > > > debate and exchange of Evans family data and > > lineage. Don Raymond > > > > > > I do however have some questions that are quite > > perplexing to me. > > > 1. We have an established fact that Richard > > Evans died in 1703. My > > > question is why would there be guardianship > > proceedings for minor children > > > some 11 years after the parent's death? If this > > date was 1704, I could see > > > it having relevance. But 11 years later does not > > seem to make sense. One > > > problem we have in discussing these things is in > > understanding > > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this > > time. Another is that I > > > personally have seen no original documents, only > > someone else's > > > transcription of documents. Even these are many > > times republished several > > > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each > > person republished > > > the information. > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > others of her family. This will assigns James > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No mention is > > made of John Kingsbury > > > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was > > subsequently > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both > > James Jr. & John are > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report James > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James > > Jr. has carried on his > > > brother's name. > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from > > their parents leaves us > > > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's > > parentage correctly, > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family structure for > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and > > published sources, not > > > original, but until recently, had never heard of or > > read any mention of a > > > child named Richard in this family. I am not > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess > > that is the direction > > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is > > not 1714 or that there > > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has > > still left me without > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., > > OH. to live out their > > > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah Miller > > connects back to the Evans family > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this > > John Evans. Even though > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this > > John Evans, your > > > information is of great value in sorting through the > > large number of that > > > name. > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two different reasons for appointing guardians. One is to place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury was not the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be appointed their guardian in order to represent them in day-to-day matters. This kind of guardianship would necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. This is the kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the 20th Centuries. A guardian would be appointed to represent the legal interests of minors with respect to property inherited from a deceased parent. Even though James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a position to harm the children's interest in the land they inherited from their father. If he had children of his own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of his stepchildren. The law dealt with this conflict by requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests of the children. I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of Richard's estate. For instance, if there was a dispute over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with respect to the land. A guardian would have been necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of the land. It could even have been triggered by a change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the interests of her brothers and sister, who were still minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. However, I don't think it's very likely that the guardianship proceedings date from 1704. I've been trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And more importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but under sixteen. If the guardianship proceedings took place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have been born within three years of the others, and all four might have been born within six or eight years of each other. If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while Richard was born in 1703. That seems highly improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of birth as 1673. That would be fine if her children were born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she would have had three children by the age of seventeen. So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year. Of course we do need to find the originals! With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James had a son by that name. But whether he was a son of Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was born, or whether his father was married before. In my opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to the Evans children, although it may be that he was only half-brother to James and Priscilla. And while he probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will. If he had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest to him, instead of making him a witness. But if he wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role. And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I think there are too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah Wood. Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family. In this case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might help, however, to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, and whether they moved away. One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John Evanses married women named Nancy. As I previously speculated, I think the father of the various children including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't the one who married Nancy Windsor. Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all three families for at least a generation or two. That way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the like. Paul > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > > Thank you Renee. > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few days stirring a lively > debate and exchange of Evans family data and lineage. Don Raymond > > I do however have some questions that are quite perplexing to me. > 1. We have an established fact that Richard Evans died in 1703. My > question is why would there be guardianship proceedings for minor children > some 11 years after the parent's death? If this date was 1704, I could see > it having relevance. But 11 years later does not seem to make sense. One > problem we have in discussing these things is in understanding > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this time. Another is that I > personally have seen no original documents, only someone else's > transcription of documents. Even these are many times republished several > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each person republished > the information. > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, Priscilla Groom along with > others of her family. This will assigns James Kingsbury (Dr. James & > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No mention is made of John Kingsbury > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. James & Elizabeth (Hall) > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, probably made in 1724 or 1725 > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was subsequently > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both James Jr. & John are > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died between 1731 and 1743. > > Then additional transcribed documents report James Kingsbury Jr. gave his > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James Jr. has carried on his > brother's name. > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from their parents leaves us > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's parentage correctly, > Evans or Kingsbury. > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son of Richard & Elizabeth > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family structure for Richard and Elizabeth since > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and published sources, not > original, but until recently, had never heard of or read any mention of a > child named Richard in this family. I am not doubting it, but, if we need > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess that is the direction > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is not 1714 or that there > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has still left me without > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, married in Monongalia Co., > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of Abraham Miller Sr. & > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., OH. to live out their > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah Miller connects back to the Evans family > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this John Evans. Even though > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this John Evans, your > information is of great value in sorting through the large number of that > name. > > Again, Thanks to all. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her husband John Evans. I have several generations of their children which probably does not help this problem. We know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on Nancy out there. Roger --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and Don: > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there are two > different reasons for appointing guardians.  One is to > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the legal > position of a parent.  Since James Kingsbury was not > the father of the Evans children, he probably needed to be > appointed their guardian in order to represent them in > day-to-day matters.  This kind of guardianship would > necessarily have been created soon after his marriage to the > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans.  This is the > kind of guardianship most people are familiar with today. > > The second kind of guardianship is one less familiar today, > but it was still quite common through the 19th and into the > 20th Centuries.  A guardian would be appointed to > represent the legal interests of minors with respect to > property inherited from a deceased parent.  Even though > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest man and > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have been in a > position to harm the children's interest in the land they > inherited from their father.  If he had children of his > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he would have a > substantial motive to act in their favour at the expense of > his stepchildren.  The law dealt with this conflict by > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the land, and > who therefore could be presumed to act in the best interests > of the children. > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings would have > been commenced eleven years after the death of Richard > Evans, but they might have become necessary because of a > change or dispute with respect to the land that was part of > Richard's estate.  For instance, if there was a dispute > over selling part of it, or even if all of the family agreed > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal action with > respect to the land.  A guardian would have been > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't act to the > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real owners of > the land.  It could even have been triggered by a > change in the status of the children; perhaps when Ann came > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to act on her > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to protect the > interests of her brothers and sister, who were still > minors.  It could also be that Benjamin Hall replaced > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > guardianship proceedings date from 1704.  I've been > trying to think of ways that this could have been changed to > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated.  And more > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, Samuel over > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over fourteen but > under sixteen.  If the guardianship proceedings took > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, might have > been born within three years of the others, and all four > might have been born within six or eight years of each > other.  If they took place in 1704, then Ann, Samuel, > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, while > Richard was born in 1703.  That seems highly > improbable.  In his article, "Hall Family of Calvert > County," Christopher Johnson estimates Elizabeth's date of > birth as 1673.  That would be fine if her children were > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems unlikely she > would have had three children by the age of seventeen.  > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct year.  Of > course we do need to find the originals! > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear that James > had a son by that name.  But whether he was a son of > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know when he was > born, or whether his father was married before.  In my > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" half-brother to > the Evans children, although it may be that he was only > half-brother to James and Priscilla.  And while he > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can completely > rule out the possibility that he was the same John Kingsbury > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's will.  If he > had been her brother, she probably would have made a bequest > to him, instead of making him a witness.  But if he > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his role.  > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that might explain > why he wasn't mentioned in her will.  I think there are > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or the other. > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John Evans who > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans and Sarah > Wood.  Since the John Evans who married Elizabeth > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and grandson of > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who married > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same family.  In this > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have been the son > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman.  It might help, however, > to identify where they lived, whether they owned any land, > and whether they moved away. > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of the John > Evanses married women named Nancy.  As I previously > speculated, I think the father of the various children > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. Evans, the son > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells in > 1813.  But at the moment I can't prove that he wasn't > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia County are > so easily confused, and could even have interacted with one > another from time to time (I think it's fairly certain that > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with practically > everybody in the county), we should keep a record of all > three families for at least a generation or two.  That > way, when we run into problems identifying one Evans or > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, "ah, that > one was a member of the John Evans family, not ours" or the > like. > > Paul > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the last few > days stirring a lively > > debate and exchange of Evans family data and > lineage.  Don Raymond > > > > I do however have some questions that are quite > perplexing to me. > > 1.  We have an established fact that Richard > Evans died in 1703.  My > > question is why would there be guardianship > proceedings for minor children > > some 11 years after the parent's death?  If this > date was 1704, I could see > > it having relevance.  But 11 years later does not > seem to make sense.  One > > problem we have in discussing these things is in > understanding > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this > time.  Another is that I > > personally have seen no original documents, only > someone else's > > transcription of documents.  Even these are many > times republished several > > times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each > person republished > > the information. > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription.  > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, > Priscilla Groom along with > > others of her family. This will assigns James > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor.  No mention is > made of John Kingsbury > > which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was > subsequently > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both > James Jr. & John are > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has died > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report James > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James > Jr. has carried on his > > brother's name. > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from > their parents leaves us > > with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's > parentage correctly, > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son > of Richard & Elizabeth > > (Hall) Evans.  I have had a family structure for > Richard and Elizabeth since > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and > published sources, not > > original, but until recently, had never heard of or > read any mention of a > > child named Richard in this family.  I am not > doubting it, but, if we need > > the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess > that is the direction > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is > not 1714 or that there > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has > still left me without > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, > married in Monongalia Co., > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., > OH. to live out their > > lives.  As I say, I know how Sarah Miller > connects back to the Evans family > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this > John Evans.  Even though > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this > John Evans, your > > information is of great value in sorting through the > large number of that > > name. > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > >  > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >     >          >            >   > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

If you want to look at B. Carlisle Bowling's work, go to this site http://www.lindapages.com/marshall/evans.txt

Thank you Renee. I want to thank the many respondents in the last few days stirring a lively debate and exchange of Evans family data and lineage. Don Raymond I do however have some questions that are quite perplexing to me. 1. We have an established fact that Richard Evans died in 1703. My question is why would there be guardianship proceedings for minor children some 11 years after the parent's death? If this date was 1704, I could see it having relevance. But 11 years later does not seem to make sense. One problem we have in discussing these things is in understanding English/Colonial Law which was in effect at this time. Another is that I personally have seen no original documents, only someone else's transcription of documents. Even these are many times republished several times over leaving one concerned with accuracy as each person republished the information. 2. Again, working from a transcription. Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's will in 1743, leaves property to her daughter, Priscilla Groom along with others of her family. This will assigns James Kingsbury (Dr. James & Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No mention is made of John Kingsbury which did exist based on a deed transfer from Dr. James & Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & John, probably made in 1724 or 1725 since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This land was subsequently transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which time both James Jr. & John are alive. This leaves one to presume John has died between 1731 and 1743. Then additional transcribed documents report James Kingsbury Jr. gave his son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling us James Jr. has carried on his brother's name. Knowing that girls did not always inherit land from their parents leaves us with the continued problem of identifying Priscilla's parentage correctly, Evans or Kingsbury. 3. Another question is the one of a Richard Hall, son of Richard & Elizabeth (Hall) Evans. I have had a family structure for Richard and Elizabeth since 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed and published sources, not original, but until recently, had never heard of or read any mention of a child named Richard in this family. I am not doubting it, but, if we need the guardianship documents to validate this, I guess that is the direction we need to direct our energies. And hope the date is not 1714 or that there is a valid explanation for that late date. 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John Evans) has still left me without a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov 1785, married in Monongalia Co., VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter of Abraham Miller Sr. & Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., Ross Co., OH. to live out their lives. As I say, I know how Sarah Miller connects back to the Evans family of Maryland but I can't establish a family for this John Evans. Even though there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet for this John Evans, your information is of great value in sorting through the large number of that name. Again, Thanks to all.

Evening cousins, I'm almost afraid to bring this up. I am beyond confused. I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.... just trying to figure out where I should be with this branch of the family, which is not my own particular branch and so I am totally dependent on the information given to me by others. I would ask off list so as not to confuse others, but so many have been participating in this discussion, I'm not sure who to ask. OK having prefaced my query, let me jump in where angels would fear to tread: According to the current concurrence of thought, I should remove the names [I only recently inserted] given me as the children of John Evans and Nancy Windsor: William W, Nimrod, Arah, Sarah, Parthenia, Charlotte.... [According to our understanding, these are all names which repeat in an Evans which is not "our" line]. But... help me here.... Should I also remove /John and Nancy? John, married to Nancy Windsor, is Not the son of John Evans and Elizabeth Raver.....?/ Right? Finally, we do still agree that John Evans married to Elizabeth Raver is the son of John Evans [1728] married to Sarah? Right? I'll hold onto my hat now.... and await your response.;-) Renee On 12/15/10Wednesday 7:18 AM, GORDON BAKER wrote: > > Paul: I agree with you. I think that you are correct on this issue. > Nimrod is a name found in the Col. John Evans family and not our Evans > family.

Paul: I agree with you. I think that you are correct on this issue. Nimrod is a name found in the Col. John Evans family and not our Evans family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Thorn" <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> To: <evans-richard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > > John Evans, Sr. was not related to Edward Evans. The two families reached > Monongalia County from different points of origin, and didn't even live in > the same part of the county. Their experiences were entirely dissimilar, > just like their family names. Both families tended to repeat the same > names from one generation to the next, but they didn't share the same > ones, which can make them easier to tell apart. > > As far as we know, all of the Evanses descended from Richard Evans are > descended from his son, Samuel (who, to repeat yet again, was almost > certainly not born in 1691, but some time between 1696 and 1700). Samuel > seems to have had a younger brother, Richard, born in 1703, but it looks > as though he died without issue. So the only Evans descendants named > Evans in Edward's generation were Edward and his brothers and sisters. > > Edward Evans did have a brother, John, but he settled in what is now > Greene County, Pennsylvania. While Edward didn't live too far away to > visit from time to time, as far as I know there isn't any evidence that > part of John's family ever settled in Monongalia County. John Evans, Sr. > was not the same person as Edward's brother; as far as I know there was no > relationship whatever. As for the Thomas Evans, ferryman, who left a will > naming his children, I cannot be certain that he was not Edward's brother > Thomas, but to date there is no evidence that he was. > > Paul > >> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:56:49 -0800 >> From: burby9@yahoo.com >> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor >> >> Paul, I am not seeing where it was said that this John was son or >> grandson of Edward. Roger >> >> --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor >> > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:35 PM >> > >> > Sorry to remain skeptical, but I still don't believe that >> > the children listed earlier in this discussion could be part >> > of the Edward Evans family. It seems extremely >> > unlikely that a son or grandson of Edward Evans would have >> > named a son Nimrod. Nimrod Evans was the son of John >> > Evans, Sr. and Ann Martin, and was not related to the Edward >> > Evans family. This was a family fond of distinctive >> > names: >> > >> > Children of John Evans and Ann Martin: >> > >> > Margaret Evans, m. John Dent >> > Dudley Evans, m. Anarah Williams >> > Enoch Evans, m. ______ Jenkins >> > John Evans, m. Gilly Coleman Strother >> > Nimrod Evans, m. Elizabeth Strother >> > Rawley Evans, m. Maria Dering >> > James Evans, m. ______ Buckner >> > Marmaduke Evans, never married >> > Coleman Evans, died in childhood >> > >> > Apart from "John", the families of John Evans, Sr. and >> > Edward Evans did not use the same names. I expect that >> > Edward and his family were always explaining to people that >> > they weren't related to John Evans, Sr., who was arguably >> > the most important man in the county until his death. >> > Several of his sons were also very prominent men, including >> > Nimrod Evans. In my opinion, any other Nimrod Evans is >> > likely to be part of the John Evans family, and named for >> > his father or uncle. >> > >> > There are at least seven men named John Evans in Monongalia >> > County during this period: >> > >> > John Evans, Sr., m. Ann Martin >> > John Evans, Jr., son of John Evans, Sr., b. circa 1768, m. >> > Gilly Coleman Strother >> > John Evans, son of Thomas Evans, ferryman, b. circa 1776 >> > (possibly same as John Evans, nailer) >> > John Evans, son of Edward Evans (probably John Evans, B.R., >> > for "bend of river"), b. circa 1777, m. either Sarah Miller, >> > 1809, or Nancy Windsor, 1814 >> > John W. Evans, son of Dudley Evans, m. Nancy Wells 1813 >> > John Evans, son of Gerard Evans (probably the one who m. >> > Elizabeth Windsor 1805) >> > John M. Evans, m. Mary Haney 1822 >> > >> > We know that John W. Evans' wife was also named >> > Nancy. I think that John, the son of Dudley Evans, may >> > somehow have been confused with the John Evans who married >> > Nancy Windsor. I believe it would be a serious mistake >> > to ignore this possibility. >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> > subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Evans, Sr. was not related to Edward Evans. The two families reached Monongalia County from different points of origin, and didn't even live in the same part of the county. Their experiences were entirely dissimilar, just like their family names. Both families tended to repeat the same names from one generation to the next, but they didn't share the same ones, which can make them easier to tell apart. As far as we know, all of the Evanses descended from Richard Evans are descended from his son, Samuel (who, to repeat yet again, was almost certainly not born in 1691, but some time between 1696 and 1700). Samuel seems to have had a younger brother, Richard, born in 1703, but it looks as though he died without issue. So the only Evans descendants named Evans in Edward's generation were Edward and his brothers and sisters. Edward Evans did have a brother, John, but he settled in what is now Greene County, Pennsylvania. While Edward didn't live too far away to visit from time to time, as far as I know there isn't any evidence that part of John's family ever settled in Monongalia County. John Evans, Sr. was not the same person as Edward's brother; as far as I know there was no relationship whatever. As for the Thomas Evans, ferryman, who left a will naming his children, I cannot be certain that he was not Edward's brother Thomas, but to date there is no evidence that he was. Paul > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:56:49 -0800 > From: burby9@yahoo.com > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > > Paul, I am not seeing where it was said that this John was son or grandson of Edward. Roger > > --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:35 PM > > > > Sorry to remain skeptical, but I still don't believe that > > the children listed earlier in this discussion could be part > > of the Edward Evans family. It seems extremely > > unlikely that a son or grandson of Edward Evans would have > > named a son Nimrod. Nimrod Evans was the son of John > > Evans, Sr. and Ann Martin, and was not related to the Edward > > Evans family. This was a family fond of distinctive > > names: > > > > Children of John Evans and Ann Martin: > > > > Margaret Evans, m. John Dent > > Dudley Evans, m. Anarah Williams > > Enoch Evans, m. ______ Jenkins > > John Evans, m. Gilly Coleman Strother > > Nimrod Evans, m. Elizabeth Strother > > Rawley Evans, m. Maria Dering > > James Evans, m. ______ Buckner > > Marmaduke Evans, never married > > Coleman Evans, died in childhood > > > > Apart from "John", the families of John Evans, Sr. and > > Edward Evans did not use the same names. I expect that > > Edward and his family were always explaining to people that > > they weren't related to John Evans, Sr., who was arguably > > the most important man in the county until his death. > > Several of his sons were also very prominent men, including > > Nimrod Evans. In my opinion, any other Nimrod Evans is > > likely to be part of the John Evans family, and named for > > his father or uncle. > > > > There are at least seven men named John Evans in Monongalia > > County during this period: > > > > John Evans, Sr., m. Ann Martin > > John Evans, Jr., son of John Evans, Sr., b. circa 1768, m. > > Gilly Coleman Strother > > John Evans, son of Thomas Evans, ferryman, b. circa 1776 > > (possibly same as John Evans, nailer) > > John Evans, son of Edward Evans (probably John Evans, B.R., > > for "bend of river"), b. circa 1777, m. either Sarah Miller, > > 1809, or Nancy Windsor, 1814 > > John W. Evans, son of Dudley Evans, m. Nancy Wells 1813 > > John Evans, son of Gerard Evans (probably the one who m. > > Elizabeth Windsor 1805) > > John M. Evans, m. Mary Haney 1822 > > > > We know that John W. Evans' wife was also named > > Nancy. I think that John, the son of Dudley Evans, may > > somehow have been confused with the John Evans who married > > Nancy Windsor. I believe it would be a serious mistake > > to ignore this possibility. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to remain skeptical, but I still don't believe that the children listed earlier in this discussion could be part of the Edward Evans family. It seems extremely unlikely that a son or grandson of Edward Evans would have named a son Nimrod. Nimrod Evans was the son of John Evans, Sr. and Ann Martin, and was not related to the Edward Evans family. This was a family fond of distinctive names: Children of John Evans and Ann Martin: Margaret Evans, m. John Dent Dudley Evans, m. Anarah Williams Enoch Evans, m. ______ Jenkins John Evans, m. Gilly Coleman Strother Nimrod Evans, m. Elizabeth Strother Rawley Evans, m. Maria Dering James Evans, m. ______ Buckner Marmaduke Evans, never married Coleman Evans, died in childhood Apart from "John", the families of John Evans, Sr. and Edward Evans did not use the same names. I expect that Edward and his family were always explaining to people that they weren't related to John Evans, Sr., who was arguably the most important man in the county until his death. Several of his sons were also very prominent men, including Nimrod Evans. In my opinion, any other Nimrod Evans is likely to be part of the John Evans family, and named for his father or uncle. There are at least seven men named John Evans in Monongalia County during this period: John Evans, Sr., m. Ann Martin John Evans, Jr., son of John Evans, Sr., b. circa 1768, m. Gilly Coleman Strother John Evans, son of Thomas Evans, ferryman, b. circa 1776 (possibly same as John Evans, nailer) John Evans, son of Edward Evans (probably John Evans, B.R., for "bend of river"), b. circa 1777, m. either Sarah Miller, 1809, or Nancy Windsor, 1814 John W. Evans, son of Dudley Evans, m. Nancy Wells 1813 John Evans, son of Gerard Evans (probably the one who m. Elizabeth Windsor 1805) John M. Evans, m. Mary Haney 1822 We know that John W. Evans' wife was also named Nancy. I think that John, the son of Dudley Evans, may somehow have been confused with the John Evans who married Nancy Windsor. I believe it would be a serious mistake to ignore this possibility. Paul

Paul, I am not seeing where it was said that this John was son or grandson of Edward. Roger --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:35 PM > > Sorry to remain skeptical, but I still don't believe that > the children listed earlier in this discussion could be part > of the Edward Evans family.  It seems extremely > unlikely that a son or grandson of Edward Evans would have > named a son Nimrod.  Nimrod Evans was the son of John > Evans, Sr. and Ann Martin, and was not related to the Edward > Evans family.  This was a family fond of distinctive > names: > > Children of John Evans and Ann Martin: > > Margaret Evans, m. John Dent > Dudley Evans, m. Anarah Williams > Enoch Evans, m. ______ Jenkins > John Evans, m. Gilly Coleman Strother > Nimrod Evans, m. Elizabeth Strother > Rawley Evans, m. Maria Dering > James Evans, m. ______ Buckner > Marmaduke Evans, never married > Coleman Evans, died in childhood > > Apart from "John", the families of John Evans, Sr. and > Edward Evans did not use the same names.  I expect that > Edward and his family were always explaining to people that > they weren't related to John Evans, Sr., who was arguably > the most important man in the county until his death.  > Several of his sons were also very prominent men, including > Nimrod Evans.  In my opinion, any other Nimrod Evans is > likely to be part of the John Evans family, and named for > his father or uncle. > > There are at least seven men named John Evans in Monongalia > County during this period: > > John Evans, Sr., m. Ann Martin > John Evans, Jr., son of John Evans, Sr., b. circa 1768, m. > Gilly Coleman Strother > John Evans, son of Thomas Evans, ferryman, b. circa 1776 > (possibly same as John Evans, nailer) > John Evans, son of Edward Evans (probably John Evans, B.R., > for "bend of river"), b. circa 1777, m. either Sarah Miller, > 1809, or Nancy Windsor, 1814 > John W. Evans, son of Dudley Evans, m. Nancy Wells 1813 > John Evans, son of Gerard Evans (probably the one who m. > Elizabeth Windsor 1805) > John M. Evans, m. Mary Haney 1822 > > We know that John W. Evans' wife was also named > Nancy.  I think that John, the son of Dudley Evans, may > somehow have been confused with the John Evans who married > Nancy Windsor.  I believe it would be a serious mistake > to ignore this possibility. > > Paul     >          >            >   > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Read post below. This is where we need to start. Diane shows how they could connect back to Richard. Who has this John info with his children?? any body. Roger --- On Tue, 12/14/10, dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> wrote: > From: dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:57 AM > Thx Roger, > I looked over a post with mention of the names of children > for John Evans > and Nancy Windsor.Once I get back on the other pc where I > can print it > out,I'll take time to study it. > Think I did see a name among the listing as 'Ariah' or > something like that. > If you look at the names of John Evans Jr.1756's > children,we find > Aramiah b.1807.Maybe the name was copied wrong and it is > one of the > same,just taking a wild guess! > Do you know if this name or something like it,was within > the Windsor family? > Also wondering if you have some idea of the yrs of birth > for both > Nancy(Ann)and Elizabeth and was John Evans,who married > Elizabeth Windsor,a > son or grandson to Edward Evans,son of Samuel 1691? > Diane > > > > > > Hi, yes John Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor comes > down Edward Evans > > line. Nancy Windsor was Elizabeth's sister.  > Nancy also married a John > > Evans. I have list of their children and their > childrens children.  But I > > nothing showing  John who married Nancy came > from. It would be great if he > > did come from same Evans family. In William Windsor > will Nancy is listed > > as Ann Evans< I think that is her middle name. > Roger > > > > --- On Tue, 12/14/10, dwebbe@wifi7.com > <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > wrote: > > > >> From: dwebbe@wifi7.com > <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > >> Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to > Nancy Windsor > >> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:20 AM > >> > >> Hi folks,jumping in here real quick to try and > help shed > >> some light on the > >> John Evans who married Nancy Windsor. > >> According to research done by the late Carlisle > >> Bowling,this John Evans > >> b.1787 was a son to John Evans Jr.b.1756,son of > John Evans > >> Sr. b.abt > >> 1728,he the son of Samuel Evans b.abt 1691 and he > the son > >> of Richard b.? > >> d.1703. > >> According to DNA,this John would be related to the > family > >> of the John > >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor. > >> Without reading back thru all the posts on > this,I'm > >> thinking that the John > >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor,descended down > from > >> Edward > >> Evans,another son of Samuel Evans 1691.Please > correct me if > >> I'm wrong. > >> A short rundown on what Carlisle shared with me on > John > >> Evans Jr.1756: > >> He married twice:1.Sarah Williams in 1776,she died > abt.1782 > >> and in 1785,he > >> married 2.Elizabeth Raver. > >> He fathered 15 children within these 2 marriages. > >> Children with Sarah: > >> #1.Enoch b.1777,#2.Lewis b.?,#3.Elizabeth b.?,and > #4.John > >> Evans Jr.b.1787 > >> married to Nancy Windsor. > >> Children with Elizabeth: > >> #5.David b.1789, #6.Samuel b.1791,(he is my > husbands > >> gr.gr.grandfather), > >> #7.Eli b.1793, #8.Otho b.1794,#9.Isaac > >> b.1796,#10.Rolland/Rawley b.1799, > >> #11.Alfred b.1800,#12.Hugh b.1803, #13.Sarah > b.1805, > >> #14.Nancy b.1806, > >> and Aramiah b.1807. > >> Let me know if any of this was helpful and if you > can add > >> anything. > >> Thx > >> Diane Webb Evans > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > >> subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I want to make sure everyone knows where I stand on the Nancy and John discussion. Nancy Windsor Evans children have Windsor family Middle names and first names. Dudley is an old and still used Windsor name. I know of no other Nimrods in Windsor line. I know and can prove Nancy and Elizabeth were sisters. I HAVE no idea who Nancy's husband John belongs to. My Evans line DID not repeat names very often, even when Delilah Evans married Russell Newman, you cannot figure anything out by names. Now Paul, Debby was saying they could be from Samuels line. She did say they were NOT from Edwards line. Roger --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:35 PM > > Sorry to remain skeptical, but I still don't believe that > the children listed earlier in this discussion could be part > of the Edward Evans family.  It seems extremely > unlikely that a son or grandson of Edward Evans would have > named a son Nimrod.  Nimrod Evans was the son of John > Evans, Sr. and Ann Martin, and was not related to the Edward > Evans family.  This was a family fond of distinctive > names: > > Children of John Evans and Ann Martin: > > Margaret Evans, m. John Dent > Dudley Evans, m. Anarah Williams > Enoch Evans, m. ______ Jenkins > John Evans, m. Gilly Coleman Strother > Nimrod Evans, m. Elizabeth Strother > Rawley Evans, m. Maria Dering > James Evans, m. ______ Buckner > Marmaduke Evans, never married > Coleman Evans, died in childhood > > Apart from "John", the families of John Evans, Sr. and > Edward Evans did not use the same names.  I expect that > Edward and his family were always explaining to people that > they weren't related to John Evans, Sr., who was arguably > the most important man in the county until his death.  > Several of his sons were also very prominent men, including > Nimrod Evans.  In my opinion, any other Nimrod Evans is > likely to be part of the John Evans family, and named for > his father or uncle. > > There are at least seven men named John Evans in Monongalia > County during this period: > > John Evans, Sr., m. Ann Martin > John Evans, Jr., son of John Evans, Sr., b. circa 1768, m. > Gilly Coleman Strother > John Evans, son of Thomas Evans, ferryman, b. circa 1776 > (possibly same as John Evans, nailer) > John Evans, son of Edward Evans (probably John Evans, B.R., > for "bend of river"), b. circa 1777, m. either Sarah Miller, > 1809, or Nancy Windsor, 1814 > John W. Evans, son of Dudley Evans, m. Nancy Wells 1813 > John Evans, son of Gerard Evans (probably the one who m. > Elizabeth Windsor 1805) > John M. Evans, m. Mary Haney 1822 > > We know that John W. Evans' wife was also named > Nancy.  I think that John, the son of Dudley Evans, may > somehow have been confused with the John Evans who married > Nancy Windsor.  I believe it would be a serious mistake > to ignore this possibility. > > Paul     >          >            >   > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Nancy and Elizabeth's parents were William Winsor/Windsor & Parthenia ? (some say Connaway/Conway) Randi -------------------------------------------------- From: "Evans-Richard List Administrator" <listadministratorevans@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:27 PM To: <evans-richard@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > Who were Elizabeth and Nancy parents? Any information on them? > > On 12/14/10Tuesday 2:09 PM, Roger Burbank wrote: >> Hi Diane, John was born 1783 in Monog. W.Virginia. He is grandson of >> Edward Evans. His father was Jared Evans,John died 1870 in MO. Two of >> his daughters wagon trained out to Idaho. Delilah my 2nd great >> grandmother and her sister Catherine Evans Ross. Delilah married Russell >> Newman. I have a photo posted on Evans myfamily of all three. They came >> into Idaho about 1880-2. Nancy was born 1794 in Mono.W.VA, died 1868 in >> same as birth. Elizabeth was born 1786 in Mono. W. VA died 1858 in >> Mercer Co. MO. Ariah is probably right not Arah, mine could be typo. It >> would be great to prove where Nancy's John belongs. I have a good size >> Windsor file. Roger ps do not know if Araiah is a Windsor name. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Who were Elizabeth and Nancy parents? Any information on them? On 12/14/10Tuesday 2:09 PM, Roger Burbank wrote: > Hi Diane, John was born 1783 in Monog. W.Virginia. He is grandson of Edward Evans. His father was Jared Evans,John died 1870 in MO. Two of his daughters wagon trained out to Idaho. Delilah my 2nd great grandmother and her sister Catherine Evans Ross. Delilah married Russell Newman. I have a photo posted on Evans myfamily of all three. They came into Idaho about 1880-2. Nancy was born 1794 in Mono.W.VA, died 1868 in same as birth. Elizabeth was born 1786 in Mono. W. VA died 1858 in Mercer Co. MO. Ariah is probably right not Arah, mine could be typo. It would be great to prove where Nancy's John belongs. I have a good size Windsor file. Roger ps do not know if Araiah is a Windsor name.

Thx Roger, I looked over a post with mention of the names of children for John Evans and Nancy Windsor.Once I get back on the other pc where I can print it out,I'll take time to study it. Think I did see a name among the listing as 'Ariah' or something like that. If you look at the names of John Evans Jr.1756's children,we find Aramiah b.1807.Maybe the name was copied wrong and it is one of the same,just taking a wild guess! Do you know if this name or something like it,was within the Windsor family? Also wondering if you have some idea of the yrs of birth for both Nancy(Ann)and Elizabeth and was John Evans,who married Elizabeth Windsor,a son or grandson to Edward Evans,son of Samuel 1691? Diane > Hi, yes John Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor comes down Edward Evans > line. Nancy Windsor was Elizabeth's sister. Nancy also married a John > Evans. I have list of their children and their childrens children. But I > nothing showing John who married Nancy came from. It would be great if he > did come from same Evans family. In William Windsor will Nancy is listed > as Ann Evans< I think that is her middle name. Roger > > --- On Tue, 12/14/10, dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> wrote: > >> From: dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> >> Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor >> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:20 AM >> >> Hi folks,jumping in here real quick to try and help shed >> some light on the >> John Evans who married Nancy Windsor. >> According to research done by the late Carlisle >> Bowling,this John Evans >> b.1787 was a son to John Evans Jr.b.1756,son of John Evans >> Sr. b.abt >> 1728,he the son of Samuel Evans b.abt 1691 and he the son >> of Richard b.? >> d.1703. >> According to DNA,this John would be related to the family >> of the John >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor. >> Without reading back thru all the posts on this,I'm >> thinking that the John >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor,descended down from >> Edward >> Evans,another son of Samuel Evans 1691.Please correct me if >> I'm wrong. >> A short rundown on what Carlisle shared with me on John >> Evans Jr.1756: >> He married twice:1.Sarah Williams in 1776,she died abt.1782 >> and in 1785,he >> married 2.Elizabeth Raver. >> He fathered 15 children within these 2 marriages. >> Children with Sarah: >> #1.Enoch b.1777,#2.Lewis b.?,#3.Elizabeth b.?,and #4.John >> Evans Jr.b.1787 >> married to Nancy Windsor. >> Children with Elizabeth: >> #5.David b.1789, #6.Samuel b.1791,(he is my husbands >> gr.gr.grandfather), >> #7.Eli b.1793, #8.Otho b.1794,#9.Isaac >> b.1796,#10.Rolland/Rawley b.1799, >> #11.Alfred b.1800,#12.Hugh b.1803, #13.Sarah b.1805, >> #14.Nancy b.1806, >> and Aramiah b.1807. >> Let me know if any of this was helpful and if you can add >> anything. >> Thx >> Diane Webb Evans >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Diane, John was born 1783 in Monog. W.Virginia. He is grandson of Edward Evans. His father was Jared Evans,John died 1870 in MO. Two of his daughters wagon trained out to Idaho. Delilah my 2nd great grandmother and her sister Catherine Evans Ross. Delilah married Russell Newman. I have a photo posted on Evans myfamily of all three. They came into Idaho about 1880-2. Nancy was born 1794 in Mono.W.VA, died 1868 in same as birth. Elizabeth was born 1786 in Mono. W. VA died 1858 in Mercer Co. MO. Ariah is probably right not Arah, mine could be typo. It would be great to prove where Nancy's John belongs. I have a good size Windsor file. Roger ps do not know if Araiah is a Windsor name. --- On Tue, 12/14/10, dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> wrote: > From: dwebbe@wifi7.com <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to Nancy Windsor > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 10:57 AM > Thx Roger, > I looked over a post with mention of the names of children > for John Evans > and Nancy Windsor.Once I get back on the other pc where I > can print it > out,I'll take time to study it. > Think I did see a name among the listing as 'Ariah' or > something like that. > If you look at the names of John Evans Jr.1756's > children,we find > Aramiah b.1807.Maybe the name was copied wrong and it is > one of the > same,just taking a wild guess! > Do you know if this name or something like it,was within > the Windsor family? > Also wondering if you have some idea of the yrs of birth > for both > Nancy(Ann)and Elizabeth and was John Evans,who married > Elizabeth Windsor,a > son or grandson to Edward Evans,son of Samuel 1691? > Diane > > > > > > Hi, yes John Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor comes > down Edward Evans > > line. Nancy Windsor was Elizabeth's sister.  > Nancy also married a John > > Evans. I have list of their children and their > childrens children.  But I > > nothing showing  John who married Nancy came > from. It would be great if he > > did come from same Evans family. In William Windsor > will Nancy is listed > > as Ann Evans< I think that is her middle name. > Roger > > > > --- On Tue, 12/14/10, dwebbe@wifi7.com > <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > wrote: > > > >> From: dwebbe@wifi7.com > <dwebbe@wifi7.com> > >> Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] John Evans married to > Nancy Windsor > >> To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:20 AM > >> > >> Hi folks,jumping in here real quick to try and > help shed > >> some light on the > >> John Evans who married Nancy Windsor. > >> According to research done by the late Carlisle > >> Bowling,this John Evans > >> b.1787 was a son to John Evans Jr.b.1756,son of > John Evans > >> Sr. b.abt > >> 1728,he the son of Samuel Evans b.abt 1691 and he > the son > >> of Richard b.? > >> d.1703. > >> According to DNA,this John would be related to the > family > >> of the John > >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor. > >> Without reading back thru all the posts on > this,I'm > >> thinking that the John > >> Evans who married Elizabeth Windsor,descended down > from > >> Edward > >> Evans,another son of Samuel Evans 1691.Please > correct me if > >> I'm wrong. > >> A short rundown on what Carlisle shared with me on > John > >> Evans Jr.1756: > >> He married twice:1.Sarah Williams in 1776,she died > abt.1782 > >> and in 1785,he > >> married 2.Elizabeth Raver. > >> He fathered 15 children within these 2 marriages. > >> Children with Sarah: > >> #1.Enoch b.1777,#2.Lewis b.?,#3.Elizabeth b.?,and > #4.John > >> Evans Jr.b.1787 > >> married to Nancy Windsor. > >> Children with Elizabeth: > >> #5.David b.1789, #6.Samuel b.1791,(he is my > husbands > >> gr.gr.grandfather), > >> #7.Eli b.1793, #8.Otho b.1794,#9.Isaac > >> b.1796,#10.Rolland/Rawley b.1799, > >> #11.Alfred b.1800,#12.Hugh b.1803, #13.Sarah > b.1805, > >> #14.Nancy b.1806, > >> and Aramiah b.1807. > >> Let me know if any of this was helpful and if you > can add > >> anything. > >> Thx > >> Diane Webb Evans > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > >> subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >