Yes, CuteFTP IS one of the programs that secretly installs Aureate, but so are so many other major, and very valuable, programs. One of my favorites is Copernic, a desktop search engine, and IT installs Aureate. I put up with it anyway, because after installing upgrades, I just run OptOut again and remove all the danged Aureate files. George At 02:03 AM 05/31/2000, Mari wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* George, I think it would be of interest to note that the CuteFTP was listed as one of the programs that had Aureate included.....WS_FTP was not.... Mari At 01:42 AM 5/31/00 -0400, George W. Durman wrote: If you use WS_FTP Pro, thought you might be interested in knowing that version 6.5 has been released. For those of you who are not web site owners, it might also interest you to know that WS_FTP Pro is the co-favorite for uploading files to web sites, the other being CuteFTP, although I think WS_FTP Pro has edged ahead in the past few months. If you were using the 6.5 Beta, be sure to read ALL the instructions before downloading and installing. Here's the blurb from WinFile.com: WS_FTP Pro 6.5 - Demo: $40.00 - 2.2 Mb WS_FTP Pro is the fastest, most powerful Windows file transfer client available. With WS_FTP Pro, you can connect to any FTP server, browse through directories and files, and transfer files in either direction. WS_FTP Pro's Windows Explorer Interface lets you copy and move files within the familiar Windows Explorer, using the same reliable "core engine" as the classic WS_FTP interface. Features include session profile support for connecting to frequently accessed FTP site; remote to remote file transfer; advanced support for handling timeouts, port numbers, passive file transfers, and firewalls; convenient drag-and-drop capabilities to simplify and speed-up your file transfer tasks, and more. Transfer files easily with WS_FTP Pro 6.5. SgtGeorge ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT**************