George, you suggested the other day that I ought to download 4.3 in one of its three formats. Can I invoke it in my machine AND leave myself the option to return to my 3.0.6 (32) Light version? I love what I have, and have read too much doom and gloom about all the things that (can) go wrong with 4.3 David Lewin London ------- The Search & Unite office attempts to help the many who suspect that despite the passage of so many years since World War II, someone may still exist "out there" http://remember.org/unite/

A few days ago, I was talking to someone about net security, and they mentioned they were running an anonymous cookie program. Did some hunting, and found Luckman's Anonymous Cookie V1.0. I've installed it; you HAVE to enter a name and business for the cookies that sites ask for from you. If I'm just surfing, any sites that ask get a cookie from "me" at "HAHA, Inc". ;-) It puts an icon in your taskbar, so you can switch from anonymous to 'you' at a mouse click. Here's the URL where I got it. http://www.luckman.com Regards, Dave

At 07:00 PM 4/24/00 -0400, George W. Durman wrote: >At 03:55 PM 04/24/2000, Mari wrote: >*************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* >Sylvia, >I don't know if this is the url that was mentioned here or not. (missed it >too! :) >But found this one: http://grc.com/optout.htm > >Mari >(snip) >**************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** > >Yes, that's the correct URL. Thanks Mari. Well, shoot. Of course it is, George! <BG>You be nice to this here lady (Sylvia) She's a special lady! :)) Mari Oh....you're welcome!

At 03:55 PM 04/24/2000, Mari wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* Sylvia, I don't know if this is the url that was mentioned here or not. (missed it too! :) But found this one: http://grc.com/optout.htm Mari (snip) **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** Yes, that's the correct URL. Thanks Mari. SgtGeorge

Sylvia, I don't know if this is the url that was mentioned here or not. (missed it too! :) But found this one: http://grc.com/optout.htm Mari At 12:00 PM 4/24/00 -0700, Sylvia Gould wrote: >I was trying to meet a deadline here and missed not only the spelling, but >which list it was on. Don't have an address for the new list. Sorry. >SG > >I guess I missed the first part of this. Where do we find Output to >download it? >A bit off subject, but can anyone recommend a source for a good "nanny" >system? --I have a 16-year-old boy here.... >Sylvia > > >You wrote: My final advice? Download the FREE OptOut application and get >rid of all those >Aureate files and Registry entries on your system. The only harm that will >result from this is harm to Aureate, in that they will no longer receive >secret >data from your system. > > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

I was trying to meet a deadline here and missed not only the spelling, but which list it was on. Don't have an address for the new list. Sorry. SG I guess I missed the first part of this. Where do we find Output to download it? A bit off subject, but can anyone recommend a source for a good "nanny" system? --I have a 16-year-old boy here.... Sylvia You wrote: My final advice? Download the FREE OptOut application and get rid of all those Aureate files and Registry entries on your system. The only harm that will result from this is harm to Aureate, in that they will no longer receive secret data from your system.

I guess I missed the first part of this. Where do we find Output to download it? A bit off subject, but can anyone recommend a source for a good "nanny" system? --I have a 16-year-old boy here.... Sylvia You wrote: My final advice? Download the FREE OptOut application and get rid of all those Aureate files and Registry entries on your system. The only harm that will result from this is harm to Aureate, in that they will no longer receive secret data from your system.

OOPS!!!!! I forgot to send a list of the known programs that secretly install Aureate on your system. This is not an inclusive list, but is the most current I could find. I really haven't taken the time to go through the list, item by item, but, just scanning it, there are 2-3 dozen programs listed here that I have on MY system right now! Does the word "pervasive" accurately describe what Aureate is doing?! (There are several duplicates, but I'm not about to take the time to identify and delete them.) SgtGeorge ****************************8 GetRight Go!Zilla CuteFTP 3.0 NetAnts Net Vampire Free Solitaire JetCar BuddyPhone 2 CuteFTP 3.0 beta NewsShark Abe's MP3 Finder Dwyco Video Conferencing Delphi Tester MP3 Fiend WebCopier Aureate Group Mail Binary Boy Download Wonder ASP1-A3 NetCaptor 5.0 NetTime Thingy TIFNY ComTry Music Downloader WebStripper Sweep Netbus Pro 2.10 LOL Chat PicPluck Access Diver III NetNak Midnight Oil Solitaire File Mag-Net Alive and Kicking BinaryVortex CuteFTP/Tripod InnovaClub LapLink FTP MP3 Grouppie Iban Technologies IP Tools 3.1 NewsBin Planet.MP3Find 3D-FTP EasySeeker Crystal FTP MP3 Album Finder FTPEditor Free Spades Capture Express 2000 DigiCams - The WebCam Viewer 3rd block Address Rover 98 AutoFTP PRO LOL Chat RingSurf Abe's Picture Finder Web SurfACE SonicMail SBWcc Dialer 2000 Free Submitter Pro My Genie SE StockBrowser Ping Thingy MP3 Mag-Net FourTimes Beatle Grafula Folder Guard Jr. TWinExplorer Standard Advanced Call Center xBlock VOG Backgammon Table My Genie Patriots More Space 99 VOG Backgammon Main Active 'Net SmartSum calculator FreeZip! Net-A-Car Feature Car Screensaver My GetRight Planet.Billboard Infinite Patience DNScape CutePage ReGet 1.6 SimpleSubmit v1.0 Acorn Email Octopus Internetrix AcqURL Pictures In News ProtectX 3 NetSuck 3.10.5 SunEdit 2K Advanced Maillist Verify QuoteWatch Cheat Machine Wordwright MX Inspector BIG AD VOG Shell Resume Detective DownLoader v.1.1 CSE HTML Validator Lite AdWizard SBJV WebCamVCR The Mapper Space Central Screen Saver ProxyChecker Meracl ImageMap Generator PMS Sound Agent QuadSucker/Web Scout's Game JOC Web Spider Free Picture Harvester Check4New MirNik Internet Finder WinEdit 2000 hesci Private Label ActionOutline Light 1.6 SuperIDE Mp3 Stream Recorder Add/Remove Plus! Zip Express 2000 DigiBand NewsWatch QWallet Abe's Image Viewer WebSaver Auction Explorer EZ-Forms FREE Total Finger FileSplit Abe's SMB Client Subscriber SaberQuest Page Burner Splash! Siterave Abe's FTP Client Photocopier GovernMail AutoWeb DL-Mail Pro 2000 iFind Graphics Netman Downloader Shizzam Visual Cyberadio DateTime imageN CuteMX AxelCD VeriMP3 Charity Banner Web-N-Force Net Scan 2000 HangWeb Mail Them TI-FindMail JOC Web Finder Huey v1.8 Color Picker Danzig Pref Engine Personal Search Agent NewsWire SweepsWinner TypeWriter 1.0 NotePads+ 123Search Aureate SpamKiller Notificator 1.0b FreeSite Word+ Virtual Access Gunther's PasswordSentry HTTP Proxy-Spy Idyle GimmIP Download Minder 1.5 VOG Chess Main Zion Doorbell 1.18 SK-111 InstallZIP EmmaSoft ChatCat EnvoyMail W3Filer ScreenFIRE - FileKing JOC Email Checker MouseAssist VOG Chess Table ChanStat HTML Translator Win A Lotto Website Manager Text Transmogrifier Net CB MultiSender Add URL QuikLink Explorer Gold Edition LineSoft Download NfoNak Classic Peg Solitaire InterWebWord Companion Cascoly Screensaver DirectUpdate Admiral VirusScanner Visual Surfer Digital Postman NeuroStock SimpleFind RoboCam 1.10 Vagabond's Realm www.devgames.com VOG Shell Web Page Authoring Software Clabra clipboard viewer EmmaSoft dBrow VOG Reversi Main FreeWebMail Simple Submit CamGrab QuikLink Autobot SmartBoard 200 FREE Edition CDDB-Reader Static FTP InfoBlast Blue Engine MP3 Renamer TheNet UK Phone Codes Quadzle Puzzles WorldChat Client ScreenFIRE VOG Reversi Table Worm Music Genie WEB2SMS Idyle GimmIP FreeImageEditor MP3INFO-Editor NeatFTP FreeNotePad Your ESP Test WhoIs Thingy WebType Total Whois NetBoard CDMaster32 ChinMail Vertigo QSearch Real Estate Web Site Creator Network Assistant Internet Tree VOG Shell History Trade Site Creator StartDrive Go!Zilla WebAttack FreeWebBrowser EmmaSoft Soundz Web Coupon Meracl FontMap Smart 'n Sticky Rosemary's Weird Web World Web Registrant PRO jIRC Web Resume Recipe Review KVT Diplom Delphi Component Test alphaScape QuickPaste QuikLink Explorer PingMaster JFK Research BookSmith : Original ScreenFlavors Sea Battle People Seek 98 EmmaSoft KeepLan 3d Anarchy FreeIRC

At 11:09 PM 04/21/2000, Carol C-H wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* I don't know anything about alladvantage, but did download Optout the other day and it found 18 of those things on my computer and removed them. Is that "normal"? Where do they come from? Is someone trying to see where I go to hunt for ancestors? If so, reckon they would help me find them???? Carol (snip) **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** Hello All. Just a note for any new subscribers to this VIRUS-DISCUSSION Mailing List. Although some of the posts seen here may not seem to be "Virus-related", they are, nonetheless, in the same category as "trojans", "worms", etc. The most recent subject has been those hidden applications that harvest information from our systems, and send the data to various organizations that use the demographic data for creating the CDs that Mass Mailers use, or that Telemarketers use. OptOut is a utility/application that, once installed and stays "memory resident", finds, at each Windows re-boot, files on our systems that are put there by the Aureate/Radiate company, and that finds Registry entries made by the same company. The Aureate/Radiate company "claims" that it is neither doing anything wrong, or that is "bad business practice". What is happening, in fact, is that Aureate/Radiate has made "deals" with many software producers to include the Aureate "hidden" application in their programs. When you install a software program that has made such a "deal", behind the scenes, unbeknownst to you, the installation process also installs Aureate. When you use one of the programs that has made the "deal", Aureate is searching through your system and gathering demographic data on your Net/Web usage, and sending the data directly to Aureate. Supposedly, the information gathered is restricted to such data as to which web sites you have visited, how often, how long you stayed at those web sites, what you clicked on, what "Ads" you "visited", what you ordered, what you bought, etc., etc. There is SUPPOSED to be no information to identify you, your email address, your postal address, etc.; however, some "hackers" have been able to access the Aureate site and actually find THEIR data, complete with name, address, email address, and so on. This is really scary! To answer Carol's question: "Where do they come from? Is someone trying to see where I go to hunt for ancestors? If so, reckon they would help me find them????" Carol, they are trying to see where you go to hunt for ANYTHING! Not just genealogy data! And, another scary thing is that, not only do such applications search your system for data, using the "pull" technology, they also attempt to SEND things to your system, using the "push" technology. If you also have ZoneAlarm, or any other "Personal Firewall", installed on your system, you can see how often these mercenary companies attempt to access your system, and, sometimes, even to access your BIOS!!!!! This is BEYOND scary! If someone can "backtrack" into your system when your modem is connected, and get to your BIOS, they can do ANYTHING to your system! Not that we've found any that do this, yet, but the possibility is there. Using ZoneAlarm, I HAVE had a few "hits" that tell me so-and-so IP is trying to access my BIOS. 'Nuff of that. Now to something I just tried out, in the line of protecting your system from unwanted access. I've bragged on ZoneAlarm, mainly because it is FREE, and because it is fairly simple to use. Yesterday, I received a notice from McAfee about their "Personal FireWall". Never making recommendations without having tried out a product, I paid the fee to install the "Firewall". (For current users of McAfee's "Clinic", the price for the FireWall is $19.95, as opposed to the normal $39.95 price.) Here are my comments on McAfee's Personal FireWall: 1) It costs you $19.95; 2) It does, basically, the same thing that the FREE ZoneAlarm does; 3) It doesn't have the depth of options that does ZoneAlarm; 4) But, it seems that you don't need to make all those individual option adjustments, since the McAfee FireWall does it all for you; 5) McAfee FireWall, so far, has caused absolutely NO conflicts on my system as ZoneAlarm sometimes does; 6) Until I have used the McAfee Personal FireWall for a few weeks, I won't make any recommendations. Just be aware that the "push" and "pull" technology now available acts almost EXACTLY as some viruses, trojans, and worms acts. If you don't have the proper protection, your system is very vulnerable! It doesn't matter if you click on the HAPPY-99.EXE link in an email, or if you are attacked by an information gatherer, your system is still being manipulated by outside forces! My final advice? Download the FREE OptOut application and get rid of all those Aureate files and Registry entries on your system. The only harm that will result from this is harm to Aureate, in that they will no longer receive secret data from your system. Download SOME kind of Firewall, whether it's the free ZoneAlarm, or something like the McAfee Personal Firewall. Norton also has such a Firewall built into their 2000 series of utilities. JUST PROTECT YOURSELVES! 'Til next time, SgtGeorge George W. Durman Knoxville, TN VIRUS-DISCUSSION List Administrator

At 4/20/2000 02:05 PM , Mari wrote: >Periodically, I have a problem whereby Eudora won't let me send. I get an >error message that says >Can't relay. Well, my temper got the best of me the other day after >several trys, and I clicked on the send icon again....only this time with >a deliberate action. I pushed the mouse key, and made sure that it was a >full press.....and it worked. The thing went. Same thing happened >today. Interesting, to say the least. >Either I'm not completely depressing the mouse key, or the icon is not >working properly. Don't know which, except that it's the only time I have >trouble in regards to any clicking of that mouse key. > >Anyone else having the problem?? Yes, but for me it's the Eudora arrow to the next message. Sticky, sticky, sticky. And SgtGeorge wrote: >(P.S. Since I have never used Norton Internet Security 2000, I guess I >should say that I don't "think" that this sets up a PC "firewall" for >you. I could be wrong. It's just that I subscribe to so many danged >services, including Norton, that I think I would have seen any >announcement that this Norton application would provide such a >"firewall". If any of you know about it, and can say differently, please >let the rest of us know.) Page 8 of the NIS Users Guide states "Norton Internet Security provides a barrier called a *firewall* between your computer and the Internet." [email protected], Patrice

At 03:58 PM 4/20/00 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >Yes, but for me it's the Eudora arrow to the next message. Sticky, >sticky, sticky. Ahhh..well I *knew* there was a reason I didn't put the arrows on the toolbar! <g> Thanks!! Mari PS...Like your signoff!

At 12:32 AM 4/20/00 -0400, George W. Durman wrote: >This is indeed intriguing! I have the same thing happen to me with >various different applications/utilities!!!!! I thought I was imagining >things and that maybe sometimes keyboard entries and/or mouse clicks just >didn't work because of very small glitches in Windows. I thought it was my mouse. And you know, this is the same thing that is happening when I get that message that says that the server won't accept my send. I mean, it's all tied in together. The message won't send, I get that message on the task error bar...and then when I do a deliberate "hard" click (no, I do not pound the key <g>) then it goes. Sometimes I have to click on the "get mail" icon, becuase no matter what I do, sometimes the "send mail" one won't "take" at all. >I'm glad you sent this, since it makes me think that maybe it's more >pervasive than I thought at first. About 10% of the time, when I >highlight something, and then hit CTRL+C, to have something copied to the >Clipboard via my ClipMate, nothing happens. Doing it again usually >results in the ClipMate "pop" sound that lets me know it WAS copied. ????? I don't know what it is, but it's driving me nuts! <g> >I really don't think it's specific to Eudora; I think it's specific to >Windows! It's the only program I'm having problems with. I'm basically mostly in it and Homesite. Eudora is the only one that's acting that way. >As I've said many times before, there ARE things that definitely have >problems in Windows, IF they are NOT Microsoft products. Wanna know what >I think? MS built this problem into Win95 and Win98 so that there would >be a few glitches once in a while, but not enough to cause "real" >problems, in hopes that we users of 3rd-party programs would become >disgruntled or disenchanted with them and switch to "real" Microsoft >programs/utilities/applications. Irregardless, where would any of us be without the MS products? Problem or not, at least it works the biggest percentage of the time. No, I don't care whether it's Gates, or who it is. >This "full press of the mouse key" (or, full press of a keyboard key), >seems to be necessary often. I, too, have become so frustrated that I >"HIT" the keyboard key and made it work. I mean "pounded" it! Does this >make sense? Not unless MS has done something we don't know about. Who knows. If it isn't any more bothersome that it's being, I can live with it. At least I found somewhat of a solution. Mari

At 01:13 PM 04/19/2000, Mari wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* Periodically, I have a problem whereby Eudora won't let me send. I get an error message that says Can't relay. Well, my temper got the best of me the other day after several trys, and I clicked on the send icon again....only this time with a deliberate action. I pushed the mouse key, and made sure that it was a full press.....and it worked. The thing went. Same thing happened today. Interesting, to say the least. Either I'm not completely depressing the mouse key, or the icon is not working properly. Don't know which, except that it's the only time I have trouble in regards to any clicking of that mouse key. Anyone else having the problem?? Mari **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** This is indeed intriguing! I have the same thing happen to me with various different applications/utilities!!!!! I thought I was imagining things and that maybe sometimes keyboard entries and/or mouse clicks just didn't work because of very small glitches in Windows. I'm glad you sent this, since it makes me think that maybe it's more pervasive than I thought at first. About 10% of the time, when I highlight something, and then hit CTRL+C, to have something copied to the Clipboard via my ClipMate, nothing happens. Doing it again usually results in the ClipMate "pop" sound that lets me know it WAS copied. ????? I really don't think it's specific to Eudora; I think it's specific to Windows! As I've said many times before, there ARE things that definitely have problems in Windows, IF they are NOT Microsoft products. Wanna know what I think? MS built this problem into Win95 and Win98 so that there would be a few glitches once in a while, but not enough to cause "real" problems, in hopes that we users of 3rd-party programs would become disgruntled or disenchanted with them and switch to "real" Microsoft programs/utilities/applications. This "full press of the mouse key" (or, full press of a keyboard key), seems to be necessary often. I, too, have become so frustrated that I "HIT" the keyboard key and made it work. I mean "pounded" it! Does this make sense? Not unless MS has done something we don't know about. SgtGeorge

At 04:21 AM 04/19/2000, Patrisia wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* Sgt George! I'm surprised I found something you don't know about! LOL I first heard of BlackICE Defender via ZDnet. I was referred to their "Products" link at http://www.zdnet.com/products. This took me to a PC Magazine article about BlackICE and what it does. Basically, it refers to those with DSL or cable modem access to the Net. The article talks about those users on a network, then goes on to explain a firewall. It says that "what sets BlackICE apart from a firewall is that it dynamically adjusts the degree of security as it watches for attacks against your system. when an attack is executed against the workstation, BlackICE blocks all access from the intruder's IP address." The article later addresses home users "who usually do not have an intricate firewall setup but want to be made aware of who is trying to access their machines . . ." Single user price is $39.95. Now, my question is: With Norton Internet Security 2000 on my computer, do I also need BlackICE? Does anyone out there with either product have an opinion? TIA Patrisia **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** Yes, you need some kind of "firewall" on your PC, even if you have Norton installed. I don't "think" that Norton Internet Security 2000 will set up a "firewall" for you, on your personal system. As to whether you should pay $39.95 - NO, NO, NO!!!!! You can get exactly the same protection from a FREE program called ZoneAlarm. Just because a program promises great things, and is highly priced enough to make you think that it MUST be worth it, doesn't mean that it is actually worth anything. Go to: http://www.zonelabs.com to download ZoneAlarm. (P.S. Since I have never used Norton Internet Security 2000, I guess I should say that I don't "think" that this sets up a PC "firewall" for you. I could be wrong. It's just that I subscribe to so many danged services, including Norton, that I think I would have seen any announcement that this Norton application would provide such a "firewall". If any of you know about it, and can say differently, please let the rest of us know.) Regards,

Hello Jack and Patrisia (and all the rest): Glad some of you checked out the OptOut that I recommended. Since I posted the original notes, lots has been going on concerning the Aureate/Radiate "spy files" that most everyone finds on his/her system. There have been lots of private meetings between the writer of OptOut and Aureate; also, official concerns have been checking into Aureate's practices. To date, it seems that Aureate has "convinced" most researchers that they are doing nothing wrong; they sure know how to "spin" what they are doing and make it sound non-harmful, non-illegal, non-immoral, and just plain "good business practice". I think that further in depth investigation will show that Aureate/Radiate IS sending data from users' systems back to Aureate/Radiate. As to AllAdvantage, well..... It's just another of those programs/utilities that is based on a "scheme" and is nothing more than a glorified pyramidal "chain" thing. Again, TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)! A person who spends several hours a day aiding such a program MIGHT make a few bucks a month, but think of how much benefit the company is getting! All you are doing is causing more and more email addresses to be added to someone's CD of "a million email addresses" that buyers can use to SPAM the dickens out of Net/Web users. I tried a similar program, Ebongo, a Netscape add-on, and became disgusted with it the first time I tried it. Just remember, even though such things are not viruses, trojans, worms, etc., they nevertheless create much of the SPAM that we encounter daily in our personal email. The only thing I can say about similar utilities/programs/applications is IF IT DEALS WITH "MAKING MONEY", HAS TO DO WITH ADVERTISEMENTS, GIVES YOU "INSTANT ACCESS" TO WEB ADVERTISEMENTS, OR "GIVES YOU SOMETHING FOR NOTHING", IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED! Since installing OptOut and ZoneAlarm, I haven't noticed much of a drop-off in email SPAM (there DOES seem to be a little less), but once my personal email address eventually gets dropped from SPAM bulk mailers I am already on, I fully expect to receive less and less. Let's face it, those jerks ARE pulling our email addresses from somewhere! One last note: I have had emails from several other users of OptOut and ZoneAlarm, about having problems with using "good" programs on their systems. I have experienced the same problems myself. There are two that merit mention: 1) If you use McAfee AV, and have SecureCast on your system (SecureCast goes online at set intervals and checks for, and downloads if necessary, new DAT files), you may have problems with SecureCast. Here's how I solved the problem: I configured SecureCast so that it is NOT automatically loaded when I start Windows. A couple times a week, I manually start it, AFTER exiting from ZoneAlarm. That lets SecureCast to work and download new DAT files. 2) I haven't figured out which program, OptOut or ZoneAlarm, is the culprit, but when both are installed and activated, AND you are using a 3rd-party email browser, such as Eudora, OR you use MS Internet Explorer (MSIE), and find that you can no longer use MSIE, and that any 3rd-party email browser that calls on MSIE won't allow downloading of graphics files automatically in emails. For some reason, one of these programs makes a change in your Internet Options settings. It took me several weeks to find out that the change made was that "Use a Proxy Server" was checked! If you are on a PC at home, "Use a Proxy Server" will screw up lots of Internet-related programs. "Use a Proxy Server" means that you are on some kind of "Net", and, since you're not, it stymies your system. If you've had any of these problems, just reconfigure your Internet Options. Go to Control Panel. Open Internet Options. Click on the "Connections" Tab. Click on "LAN Settings" at the bottom. Make sure that "Use a Proxy Server" is NOT checked. (I "suspect" that the first time that ZoneAlarm is installed, IT makes this change, thought I can't prove it conclusively; however, by testing (I uninstalled ZoneAlarm, unchecked "Use a Proxy Server", and everything worked fine. Then, I reinstalled ZoneAlarm and found that "Use a Proxy Server" was again checked.), it "seems" that ZoneAlarm IS doing it.) Guess we all have to keep experimenting with these "new" things and reporting back here to these Lists when we find problems, and ESPECIALLY if we find solutions to the problems. Then, we can email the writers of any problem-causing utilities and make suggestions. Please, keep using OptOut and ZoneAlarm. If you have problems you cannot solve, let me know - I'll try to figure out a cure. In the meantime, once you get your system working the way it should, using these programs, you can be assured that your system is NOT sending out information to those who would use the information for SPAMMING. SgtGeorge At 04:08 AM 04/19/2000, Patrisia wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* Jack wrote: I have AllAdvantage on my computer and have an attitude towards it. They put an inch high banner across the bottom or top of your screen and you have to minimize the banner in order to use the icons on your screen. And, despite saying they will pay fifty cents per each visit to the web, I have as yet to see one penny. Jack Childers in OKC Hello Jack, How long have you been with AllAdvantage? I had it for about two weeks and then got rid of it, as I couldn't stand having their toolbar on my screen all the time. It kept messing with my emails, browsing, etc., and just wasn't worth it. Also, I read about the OptOut program by Steve Gibson and ran it yesterday. I had one file affected, and my registry. This occurred on 25 January. Does anyone know of any special "thing" that was going 'round at that time besides the "aureates"? This occurred before I installed Norton's Internet Security 2000. Interestingly, the "aureate" that attached itself to my file and registry was DISABLED around the time I installed NIS2K. My ports tested out as "stealth." I highly recommend this program, along with SystemWorks2k--they've definitely made my life easier while on the computer. Patrisia **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT**************

Periodically, I have a problem whereby Eudora won't let me send. I get an error message that says Can't relay. Well, my temper got the best of me the other day after several trys, and I clicked on the send icon again....only this time with a deliberate action. I pushed the mouse key, and made sure that it was a full press.....and it worked. The thing went. Same thing happened today. Interesting, to say the least. Either I'm not completely depressing the mouse key, or the icon is not working properly. Don't know which, except that it's the only time I have trouble in regards to any clicking of that mouse key. Anyone else having the problem?? Mari

At 02:47 PM 04/18/2000, Mike & Ginger Woodcock wrote: *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* At 03:01 AM 3/26/00 -0500, you wrote: About 5 minutes after I posted the previous email about Zone Alarm, it popped up and told me that a remote computer was trying to access my system. (My TCP connection was still open; I have it set to log off after 15 minutes of inactivity.) Well, I have you beat.. LOL......less than 1 minute after installing it, it went off... I don't even know what to do with this program yet and it is going off.. LOL... any hints.. ginger **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** Ginger, after a while you will get tired of the alerts and can just reconfigure ZoneAlarm to log them to a file and not show them. What ZoneAlarm is saying, and doing, is that so-and-so server tried to access your system and that ZoneAlarm blocked the access. SgtGeorge

George, How about a very fast, short summary on what ZoneAlarm does and what could be trying to enter my puter when it is blocking something... mine keeps going off.. I'm sorry to say, I'm getting confused.. The student needs the teacher to enter the room.. LOLOL ginger Mike & Ginger Woodcock/EagleRun Australian Shepherds [email protected] http://www.eaglerun1.com Ginger's WebDesign is here to help with your Web Needs, Give us a call, or email with your questions. Remember, the purchase of an EagleRun Aussie is not the end of a Transaction, it is the Beginning of a Relationship, enjoy!! :-)

At 03:01 AM 3/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >About 5 minutes after I posted the previous email about Zone Alarm, it >popped up and told me that a remote computer was trying to access my >system. (My TCP connection was still open; I have it set to log off after >15 minutes of inactivity.) Well, I have you beat.. LOL......less than 1 minute after installing it, it went off... I don't even know what to do with this program yet and it is going off.. LOL... any hints.. ginger Mike & Ginger Woodcock/EagleRun Australian Shepherds [email protected] http://www.eaglerun1.com Ginger's WebDesign is here to help with your Web Needs, Give us a call, or email with your questions. Remember, the purchase of an EagleRun Aussie is not the end of a Transaction, it is the Beginning of a Relationship, enjoy!! :-)

At 01:48 AM 3/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >I sent this a week ago: > >"I also downloaded a free program to set up an "ersatz firewall" on the >PC, which will stop ALL attempts at hacking from others. I am rushed for >time right now, but tomorrow will send the URL for the free check of >users' systems, and the URL for downloading the free program." > >Sorry I didn't get back sooner. Here's the URL for the utility: > >http://www.zonelabs.com George, I just finally downloaded the zonelabs program.. I'll let ya know of any results.. thanks again. ginger Mike & Ginger Woodcock/EagleRun Australian Shepherds [email protected] http://www.eaglerun1.com Ginger's WebDesign is here to help with your Web Needs, Give us a call, or email with your questions. Remember, the purchase of an EagleRun Aussie is not the end of a Transaction, it is the Beginning of a Relationship, enjoy!! :-)