Oh, finally - I can help with this one! I'm holding 'hard' evidence in my hand. A photo of of the tombstone of John! Let me tell you what it says. John & Charlotte are both buried in the Flippin, Arkansas cemetary. I will scan and send .jpgs to anyone who wants them - although they may not read too well. John's says. . . --------------- Gone Home (picture of a lamb here) John Estes Husband of CHARLOTIA ESTES Born Apr. 28, 1804; Died Mar. 13, 1881; Aged 76 Ys. 10 Ms. 15 Ds. ----------------------- I know, I know, Charlotte's name is spelled different. So what else is new. Anyway, right beside him is. . . ----------------------- CHARLOTTE WIFE OF JOHN ESTES Born Mar. 1809 Died Feb. 1908 Aged 98 Years 11 Months ----------------------- I have in my records that his name was John Minton Estes but that was before (sorry) I started to document WHERE I got everything. I'll find it again. I do believe it was Minton tho. . .not Moses. This is John, Son of Gallant & Margaret, who came from Tennessee. Also alongside them is the tombstone of Ransom Estes, Born Sept 6, 1872, Died Dec. 10, 1904 Aged 32Y 3M 4D Blessed are the pure in heart for they are of the kingdom of heaven I've asked before. . .but does anybody know anything about Ransom? -----Original Message----- From: Marayong [mailto:dragon@triode.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:15 AM To: ESTES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ESTES-L] John M. Estes of Yellville, AR G'day folks, I've just gotten an email from April Heath which has again pointed out the discrepancy surrounding the date of death for John Minton Estes, born 1804, Greenville Co, SC, thence to Cannon Co, TN and eventually to Yellville, Marion Co, AR. (He's also been called John Moses Estes by some, tho' all the reliable evidence I've seen says he was Minton). The problem is that I have seen two different dates quoted for his death, namely 1857 and 1881 (and presumably they didn't take over 20 years to bury his corpse!). Does anyone have hard evidence that points to one or the other? By "hard" I mean a tombstone record (especially one you or someone you know has checked), a family bible etc. Different books on the region give one or the other date, so I'd rather not rely on them. The issue is somewhat complicated in that John had a son, John Minton Estes Jr. According to "A Reminiscent History of the Ozarks", by Ramfire (I think this is the right source .. April?), a John (Minton) Estes was a signer of the incorporation of Yellville in 1872. It has been presumed by others that it referred to John Sr, but could it have been John Jr? Before one jumps to the conclusion that the 1857 date is obviously the dod for John Sr and the 1881 date is that for John Jr, I also have a dod for John Jr of 1873. As I said, the situation is a tad complicated. :) I don't know where the 1857 and 1881 dates come from .. are they from tombstones, wills, family bibles or what? Or the 1873 date for John Jr for that matter. cheers, David. -- A stranger in a world I never made - Housman DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au ==== ESTES Mailing List ==== ============================== Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at http://resources.rootsweb.com/