G'day Sallie, I finally realised where I'd come across the Estes-Hockensmith connection .. I spent some time living in Frankfort, KY and checked out the Scott Co, KY Hist. Soc. records and also visited some of the county's cemeteries. I also searched the Estes mail-list archive and the following is a compilation of what's appeared. Maybe some of it will help you (or someone else on the estes list since I'm cc'ing this there). * January 1998; Jennifer Black <jenniferblack@fuse.net> I am trying to find out any information on the line of Thomas H. Estes b. Spottsylvania County 1785 d. Owen County, KY 1862. Lived most of his life in Scott County, KY. My line of Estes' are from Scott County, KY but haven't connected them as of yet. My ggrandfather William H. Estes is from Scott County. He was born ca.1877. He married twice 1. to Lillie Mae McLain/McLean b. 1892 d. 1939. He married 2. to a Maggie?. * May 1999; Connie Welch <lostdove@geocities.com> Here is another bio from the Kentucky Biography list. URL for the web site is http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Bios #3166: History of Bourbon, Scott, Harrison and Nicholas Counties, KY, ed. by William Henry Perrin, O. L. Baskin & Co., Chicago, 1882. p.627. [Scott Co, Stamping Ground Precinct] SAMUEL ESTES, farmer, P.O. Stamping Ground, is a native of Scott County, and the son of William and Mary (Hockensmith) Estes. William was born in Virginia, emigrated to Scott County, where he followed the occupation of farming, and died in 1855. Mary, the mother of our subject, was born in Scott County, and died in October, 1865. They were the parents of thirteen children, twelve of whom are still living, of whom is our subject, who was born Sept. 30, 1830. He received his education from the common schools of his native county, and on June 21, 1855, in Franklin County, he married Miss Letitia Owens, who was born in Franklin County, April 5, 1836. She is the daughter of William and Elizabeth (Trout) Owens, who are natives of Kentucky. Mr. Estes has during his life followed the occupation of farming, and is now the owner of 135 acres of land. By his marriage he has had eleven children, eight of whom are now living, viz: John W., Thomas H., Laura, William D., Catharine, Betsey, Kate and Addie. Himself and family are members of the Baptist Church. He is a member of the A.F. and A.M., Scott Lodge No. 203, at Stamping Ground. He is a Democrat. * August 1999; Gene Divine <aedreddivine@hcnews.com> Amelia (or Permelia) ESTES, (b.1789,VA, d.1859 Scott Co, KY). Married before 1807, Bourbon Co, KY, to Martin BRAMBLET, (b.1784,VA, d.1860 Scott Co, KY). They had 11 children: HUGH (b.1807 Bourbon Co, KY); LEANNA (b.1809 Bourbon Co, KY); ROBERT E (b.1810 Scott Co, KY); MARTIN P. (b.1812); THOMAS J. (b.1818); REUBEN (b.1822); CATHERINE J. (b.1822); MILDRED (b.1824); JOHN G. (b.1825); JONAS W. (b.1828); MARY ANN (b.1832). And finally my item: * August 1998, David Powell. From: "A History of Scott County as Told by Selected Buildings", Ann Bolton Bevins, Georgetown, KY, 3rd edition, 1989. ESTES HOUSE: William Estes, a Virginian, married a girl from the Stamping Ground area and settled down to increase his estate, a fact which was shown at his death in 1855. For Mary Hockensmith and William Estes left a large estate to a large family. About 335 acres were divided among the heirs in 1856. William Estes' purchases on record were made from Eppes Green in 1838, from Obed and Elizabeth Calvert, and from Joseph and Elizabeth Betts in 1829. Boundaries of the aquisitions cannot be determined due to the burned deeds. The log house for many years was the home of Mrs Burton Claxton and her family. Mrs. Claxton was an Estes descendent. Numerous alterations and an addition mark the use of the house by many generations. Sources: Perrin, 627. The article didn't give any details on where the house was/is, tho' I suspect it was on Cedar Ridge Road, where most of the county's Estes are buried. From: "Gone, Forgotten, Now Remembered: Scott County, Kentucky Cemeteries", published by the Scott Co. Genealogical Society, Georgetown, KY, 1992. Cedar Grove Cemetery, Cedar Road. Near the town of Head of Cedar, on the Scott Co/Franklin Co border. The cemetery is right on the road, on the north side. Estes, Beckham L.; born 1902, died 1981 " Marie M.; born 1912; died 1986 - wife of Beckham " J. D.; born 13 feb, 1863; died 13 nov, 1911 " Sallie Clark; born 17 feb, 1861; died 28 feb, 1945 - wife of J.D. " Samuel; born 25 sep, 1830; died ?0 jun, 1908 Masonic Cemetery, corner of KY-227 & White Oak Road, Stamping Ground. Cemetery is on the south side of KY-227, right on the road. Estes, Harvey M; born 1891; died 1931 " Herman Hamilton; born 1885; died 1932 " Obie E.; born 1914; died 1965 On the *reverse* of the gravestone is marked: Hamilton, Victor; 1858-1929; "dad" John M.; 1862-1934; "mum" Dora; 1882-1915; "daughter" Since these names appear on the same stone and Hamilton appears above, they presumably are related. Not in the book, but also found at the cemetery are: Estes, Raymond B.; born 28 sept, 1914; died 21 mar, 1994 " Betty Riddle; born 27 oct, 1919; married 8 jun, 1938; no date of death Owen-Hockensmith, Cedar Road, a few miles south of Cedar Grove Cemetery, on the south side of the road. There are only 10 burials at this (family?) plot, they are: Donivan, Mary E.; 24feb1860-10mar1863; d/o A.J. & R. Estes, Elizabeth; 26mar1828-22dec1895; w/o T.H. " Feelden; 30nov1867-14jun1875; s/o Letticia & Sam " Letticia; 5apr1836-19apr1895; w/o Samuel " Thomas H.; 9feb1824-18sep1853 Hockensmith, Henry; 20apr1813-31jan1873 " Margaret; 30mar1828-24jan1908; w/o Henry Owen, Elizabeth; 24oct1774-4aug1873 " Elizabeth; 24oct1794-2jan1873; w/o Wm. " William; 5oct1783-20dec1873 As far as I know, no-one has yet been able to link up this William Estes to Abraham (1647-1720). All the linked Estes I have in Owen/Scott Co's, Ky are descendents of John Estes (1755-1809) and nancy Montague. Thomas H (above) was one of their sons. I dont have a William listed for them, but lots of William's as grandsons so I wonder if this William was not an unknown son of John and nancy? cheers, David. -- The universe is not only queerer that we imagine, it is queerer than we *can* imagine - J. B. S. Haldane DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au