G'day Judy, Thanks for your reply. I finally realised where I'd come across teh Estes-Hockensmith connection .. I spent some time living in Frankfort, KY and checked out the Scott Co, KY, Hist. Soc. records and also visited some of the county's cemeteries. Even got some foto's buried somewhere of Estes-Hockensmith-Owen's graves. I posted a list of the Estes burials in Scott Co, KY to the estes list some time back in 98. Just been trying to find a copy of it, but I'm quickly running out of places to look. *grumbles* I gave up and searched the rootsweb archive .. and found it. :) And saved a copy to my 'puter. Not much on Scott Co, KY: June 1997, a forward originating with the same person who posted about Thomas below. Details not as far back. Jan 1998 there was a post re Thomas Estes b.1785, Spots Co VA and died 1862, Owen Co, KY. Spent most of his life in Scott Co, KY August 1998 I posted info from the Scott Co hist soc including cemetery records for the county and a bio on William Estes and Mary Hockensmith. August 1998 there was a post from you (Judy) mentioning Scott Co. May 1999 Connie posted a bio on a son of William and mary (Hockensmith). August 1999 there was a query re Amelia or Permelia Estes, b.1789, VA. Married martin bramlet, 1807, Bourbon Co, KY. Both died Scott Co, KY. I'll compile the above and post to the list and the lady who contacted me. cheers, David. -- The universe is not only queerer that we imagine, it is queerer than we *can* imagine - J. B. S. Haldane DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au