Found in "Arkansas Marriages Early to 1850" Liahona Research, Inc. Ivy Estess married Peggy Peel 25 Aug 1836 Independence Co. Ark. Ivy Estess married Elizabeth James 12 Jul 1841 Independence Co. Ark. Ivy Estess married Nancy Hudson 27 Aug 1847 Independence Co. Ark Does anyone know if he had children by Peggy Peel and what their names were? Thank You Diane Miller

Found this at the library today: Story of Bell County Texas, Vol.1, Bell County Historical Commission pg. 509. Edmond T. Estes Edmond T. Estes, a native of Tenn., was born in 1816, the son of James D. Estes, who according to the 1850 census in Washington Co. Texas, was born in 1786. The family arrived in Texas prior to the Texas Revolution. E.T. Estes, a veteran of 1836, received 320 acres of land on Hurricane Creek, Grimes County, Texas, on December 8, 1855, from E.M. Pease, governor of Texas, for his service in the war. The 1846 poll list for the Republic of Texas includes the names of Edmond T. Estes and James D. Estes, residents of Washington Co. Tx.. On December 22, 1846 E.T. Estes and Jane McDowell were married in Washington Co. On November 21, 1850, J.D. Estes deeded 1107 acres of land on a stream called Canoy, Montgomery Co. Texas, to E.T.Estes. Montgomery and Grimes Counties join, and Estes located his family in Grimes Co. His wife, Jane McDowell Estes, died there about 1852, and in 1853 he married Sarah Ann McDowell. Estes purchased 700 acres of land from William McDowell on December 15, 1856. This acreage was located on South Nolan Creek about six miles west of Belton in Bell Co. Tx.. The property became the family homestead and a frame house was built which served the family until it burned in 1860. This house was replaced by a rock house which remains a landmark in Nolan Valley. Early in 1858 the settlers residing in Green Morgan Grove on west side of J.M. Porter Survey on Nolan Creek commenced to build a house to be used by all Christian denominations for preaching and a school. On February 23, 1858, E.T. Estes deeded on acre of land for this purpose. Estes died November 6, 1886, and his second wife, Sarah A., (May 7, 1830- Nov. 3, 1905) are buried in marked graves in McDowell Cemetery. Children of Estes' first marriage were: James W.; C.Perry; and Margaret Ann who married W.G. Murphy. He and Sarah had the following children: Robert T.; J.Thomas; Josephine, who married M.A. Fuller; Ben McCoulough; Mary Ella; who married Dulane W. Mangham; and Amanda who married E.M. Davis. Submitted by Mrs. J. Roy Norman Diane Miller

Does anyone know where I can get the book Estes in Old Clay Co. Mo? Thanks, JoAnn

This was the Madison County, Kentucky list. Thought it would be interesting to the Estes list as it mentions Estes family at the end of the message. Judy in KY Subj: [MADKY-L] Re: Proctor, Estill, et al Date: 4/5/00 5:17:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: dmhull@frazmtn.com (Donna Hull) To: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com William-- Yes, there is an Estill Co. & I believe it is named for Capt James ESTILL, or his brother Samuel. There also is a little community called Procter--believe it is now in Lee Co. but would have been Estill Co. back then. I can't directly answer most of your questions, but I have a little on Capt James ESTILL's Military record. Incidentally, the ESTILL family was in Greenbrier/Monroe Co., VA(WV) prior to their move to Madison Co. I'm related by marriage to Adam CAPERTON & it was in researching him that I found this. The name is pronounced KAY-PER-TON. This is presently under copyright in my latest book "Jacob Miller, Our Immigrant...And More," 1998. O.K. to use for your own records. "On 19 Mar 1782, Jane GUESS, a 12-year old girl, came to Samuel's (ESTILL) Fort to tell of a dream that she had. The Lord had built a ladder from earth to heaven for her to go up on. After breakfast, she took her dog Dick & went to the woods to tap a sugar tree. The Indians took after her & she ran towards the fort. The women in the fort witnessed this, & shouted "Run, Jenny, Run." They caught her, drug her behind a brush pile & scalped her. "A Negro man, Monk, was hauling wood to boil water. The Indians asked how many men were in the fort. He replied, "Forty." They then killed all the stock on the outside & fled. The fort had only 4 old men in it as Capt. James ESTILL had taken his company of 25 men to present-day Estill County area to look for Indian tracks. The Indians had crossed at the mouth of Red River. After hearing of the ordeal at the fort, he then took his command to Little Mountain in present-day Montgomery County." [that was one account I found, another follows] "The battle of Estill's Defeat was fought on March 22, 1782 on the banks of Hinkston Creek on a farm owned by Peter G. FLOOD (in 1918), near where Mt. Sterling is now located. A party of 25 Wyandottes, the bravest & fiercest of all the Indian tribes, infested Estill's Station on the S. Fork of the Kentucky River in March 1782, & having killed & scalped Miss INNES, a daughter of Capt. INNES, then took Monk, a slave of Capt. ESTILL, prisoner. They killed the cattle & left. "Capt. James ESTILL with 25 horsemen immediately started in immediate pursuit, & came up with the Indians just after they had crossed the creek. The Indians had killed a bear or buffalo, built a fire & were preparing a hasty supper. ESTILL's men fired upon them. The Indians prepared for battle, each taking a tree & facing his enemy as nearly in a line as practicable. The whites formed a line on the E. side of the creek, also behind trees for cover. Capt. ESTILL was killed along with 6 of his men: Adam CAPERTON, Jonathan McMILLAN, Lt. John SOUTH, Jr, John COLEFOOT, & McNEELY. Adam was shot through the head & scalped. ESTILL was killed trying to come to CAPERTON's aid." "Monk told that 17 of the Indians were dead, & only 2 remained, both wounded & one of those died on the way back to camp. The others had fled earlier. This left only one Indian to tell the story of the battle. Ten of the 18 survivors of ESTILL's Defeat were: Col. William IRVINE [for whom the county seat of Estill Co is named], Joseph PROCTOR, Reuben PROCTOR, James BERRY, William CRADLEBAUGH, David LYNCH, Henry BOWER, John JAMESON, Ensign David COOK, & Lt. William MILLER [who deserted with his 6 men, no relation to our German Millers]." On p. 160 I have reference to a survey conducted on 22 Sept 1796 in Madison Co. on Station Camp Creek near the encampment of James BERRY, John PLUCK, Joseph & Nicholas PROCTOR, James BOONE... On p. 28: 1809 George MILLER is in tax list for Montgomery Co., KY, next to a John MILLER who had 75 ac 2nd class land in Montgomery Co., taken out originally by Nicholas PROCTER. SOOO--you have 3 PROCTERs to pick from: Joseph, Reuben or Nicholas. One was a preacher. Can't remember which now. Maybe someone else has that information. And on Otter Creek in my family were: John & Elizabeth HOY SOUTH; Carr & Elizabeth MILLER CAPERTON SMITH & the children of Adam & Elizabeth MILLER CAPERTON; James WALKER, Joshua & Thomas TOWNSEND, Daniel RICHARDSON, Reason BRUMMITT, Benjamin MILLER, John & Andrew ESTES the brothers-in-law of Jacob MILLER; Jacob & Priscilla ESTES MILLER, Priscilla's father Richard ESTES; Charles MILLER brother of Jacob; Jacob's uncle George MILLER. Donna P.S. No Robertsons in my book in this area of the country.

G'day folks, I've just posted updates to several files on my estes web site. Updates have been posted for: estes-ab.txt - Descendents of Abraham Estes. Now 953K moses.txt - Descendents of Moses Estes of Pendleton Co, SC branches.txt - A collection of various unconnected Estes branches loose_records.txt - As it says .. a collection of loose records of unconnected Estes. I've cleared out most of the stuff in my "to sort" directory and have gotten back to 1987 with Estes Trails (working backwards). All the above (and other) files can be reached via: http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon/ft/estes.html As always, corrections and additions are most welcome. cheers, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, I got an email from a Daniel's researcher who has several generations of Daniel's with Estridge as the first name and the suspicion the name came from a marriage with the Estes. Snipping from his email: Thomas Daniel was born about 1750, possibly in Virginia. The first record I have of him is in the 1789 census of Madison County, KY. He can be traced almost yearly from 1789 until 1806 in Kentucky tax records. He moved to the Indiana Territory by 1807.. He is mentioned in many records in Illinois, last in 1821 in Greene County, IL, where he may have died. Thomas probably married about 1770 and had John (1773 VA-1849 OH), William (1775 VA-1829 IL), Thomas (1777 VA-1843 OH), Estridge (1782 VA-1852 KY), James (1784 VA-1860 TX), Elizabeth (1789 KY- ), and Walker (1790 KY-1828 IL). There were probably more children ... Four of Thomas's sons had sons that were named Estridge/Eastridge, and there are probably two dozen descendants who had that first or middle name. Popular names for Thomas' granddaughters were Narcissa, Elizabeth and Malinda .. [me again] Circumstancial evidence suggests that this Daniel's family may have come from Caroline Co, VA. Anyone have anything that could shed some light? Thanks, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, I made a mistake in the prevous post of this title .. the daughter of Elisha who married William Winn Cockerham was nancy and not Frances. The throy is still the sane.l I just mistakenly kept saying the wrong daughter. :) Thanks Donna! David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, I found the following items in a file on "Moses Estes'" that Debra McCann sent to me. There's very little reference information given, basically just the name of the magazine they came from, no dates, volume number etc, just a page number for the 2nd item. (Not Debra's fault, she'd just collected them from what she'd been sent). The South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research Plat surveyed 9 Feb. 1790 by Wm Lessly, D. S., shews the Mill Path across the tract, which was adjoined by John Dowdle's land, land laid out, John Jackson's land, and Moses Eastridge's land. Deed sworn by Robert Dowdle before Benj'a Cleveland, J. P. The South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research Pages 124-125. 25 June 1790. John Dowdle of Ninety-Six District, SC, Planter, conveys to Moses Estreage, Senr, of Pendleton County, for £.20., a tract of 80 acres on Beaver Creek, a Branch of Great Rocky Creek, a branch of Savannah River, bounded by John Callaham on the west and John Dowdle on the north, granted to John Dowdle by his Excellency Gov. William Moultrie, Esq, 5 June 1786. Comments: -------- >From the first item it is clear that Moses already owned land in Pendleton Co, SC early in 1790, so he likely moved to the area before 1790. From the 2nd item he was getting land from a chap who was granted the land in 1786 - when the area was first settled? If so then Moses would have arrived not long before 1790. Maybe 1788/1789? The spelling, Eastridge, is one that's common with the family of Sylvester Estes who moved to Bertie Co, NC from VA around 1730. It does occur with other branches of the Estes, but not commonly so. Also Nathaniel is a very common name in Sylvester's branch, very rare elsewhere .. except for Moses of Pendleton Co, SC. I don't have a "loose" Moses in this branch of the family, however I've been told that the LDS website lists a Moses, born 1749 to Ephraim & Sarah Estes, Granville Co, NC. (Can't remember who told me .. could have been Debra?). Ephraim's brother had a son, Moses, who was born c.1748 and who died in the Rev. War, without issue. The 2nd item is of equal interest in that it mentions Moses as "Moses Sr", implying that there was a younger Moses living close by who was also a close relative, either a son, younger cousin or a nephew. Since there were no other Estes in the region at the time, just Moses, I would say then that Moses Jr was his son .. a son that I've never heard of before. Since the "sr" appelation is used in june, 1790 but not in Feb 1790, it is tempting to suggest that Moses Jr reached adulthood between those dates, that is, he was born 1769, and specifically in the spring (well the northern hemisphere spring .. autumn down here). A nephew or cousin could've moved into the area, but there's no evidence of other Estes families in the region, so the theory that Moses Jr was the son of Moses Sr seems pretty safe in this case. This would put Moses Jr as Moses Sr's eldest *known* child, tho' there's a Thomas with no known dob. Known dates and children are Gallant (c.1775), Nathaniel (1777) and Bethlehem (c.1783). That makes a 14 year gap between the youngest and oldest known children, so Moses Jr is most likely the oldest or close to oldest son. That means that Moses Sr was possibly born around "1769 minus 25", that is, c.1744. To be safe, 1740-1745, possibly as early as 1735, tho' he'd be approching 50 with the birth of Bethlehem. Not impossible, but that would imply either an earlier marriage or that he married late. The mother of Bethlehem would've been born no earlier than 1740, and probably latter than that. And if she was Moses Sr's only wife, that puts his earliest dob as 1735-1740. Close 'nuff. The Moses I mentioned way above, son of Ephraim and Sarah Estridge, would be a tight fit .. but he'd not be the first chap back then to marry before reaching adulthood .. and I have no idea how good the "1749" date listed on familysearch.org is. Apparently just the year is given, so it could be an estimate. Ephraim was born c.1712 and had a child in 1740, so this Moses (if he existed) could've been born before 1749, possibly as early as the mid 1730's. Comments? There's something there for the Moses Estes researchers and also the Sylvester ones. David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day Donna, Have to be quick .. I'm inna rush today. > You sent me that notation or Li Ann did just recently plus I > had already seen it long ago. The court record does not say > which Elisha this is. Li Ann prolly. Someone sent it to me a few days ago and I forwarded it to the list as well as to you. > 1. Is he the one who lived where it turned into Charlotte > Co. I think so, but we need someone to share the will with > us to know for sure. I'm pretty sure he is .. tho' the evidence is pretty thin and unsubstantiated. The thing is that the first generation of Estes born in VA were born around 1700, so by the time of the late 1700's, there would not be all that many Estes running around. I don't claim to have 'em all in my files, but I'd say I've got most of them (I hope!! *grin*) .. so when a "new" one turns up, there just ain't many places he'll fit in, especially if he's got a common name. I know that might sound paradoxial, but if it's a common name like Elisha (well with the Estes it's common), then many other lines will have them and most of those individuals can be eliminated .. in this case the only possible _known_ Elisha for the father of nancy (who married Wlm Cockerham) and the Elisha of Lunenburg/Charlotte Co Va is the son of John (1701-1771). There are other Elisha's who're around that the time and who have known connections, but they can be all eliminated. Please note the emphasis on "known" and "connected" above .. hopefully I've covered myself there. :) > 2. Elisha of Henry didn't have a Nancy, but his probably > daughter-in-law, Mary Stone Townsend Estes, did, but she is > thought to be a Townsend. And Nancy Townsend is proven bu > court records to have m. Daniel Richardson. Definitely NO to the first one and as for mary Stone-Townsend-Estes's daughter, nancy, she definitely married Daniel Richardson. There's just too much evidence for that one. > 3. many other Elishas > I think the best candidate for Nancy's father is Elisha of > Charlotte. Now if only someone would come forward with some information on him! Alas I have no information at all on Estes iN Charlotte Co, VA and very little on Lunenburg Co, Estes .. other than those already linked. I have plenty of deeds, wills, marriage lists etc from other Va counties, but very little from Lunenburg Co. <hint, hint anyone??> If anyone does have Lunenburg Co, VA records PLEASE do post 'em to the Estes list!!! thanks, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day Donna, Got the following from Linda .. I'm surprised I didn't remember it myself. The Nancy who married William Cockerham _was_ the daughter of an Elisha Estes since there's a court record mentioning it, re the slave below. I've seen an extract of the record .. likely somewhere in my unsorted archives. :) FmlyHstry@aol.com wrote: > I think that record about the slave that Elisha Estes loaned/rented? > to WWC & the interest in the slave belonged to wife Nancy & her > children tells it all. That was her property from her family. Now > which Elisha? Think it was a slave...... > > Linda cheers, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day Donna (& others), [I'm cc'ing a copy of this to the estes list in case anyone else might be interested.] Re the bit you mentioned about the Elisha Estes who died c.1806 in Charlotte Co, VA and who had a daughter who married a Nathaniel journey, I found the following family group on the web which looks to be this family. Children of ELISHA ESTES and ? are:  xii. LUCY8 ESTES, m. NATHANIEL JOURNEY. xiii. MARY ANN ?, b. Abt. 1753, Lunenburg Co., VA.  xiv. MILDRED ESTES, b. Abt. 1755, LUNENBURG;VA..  xv. NANCY ESTES, b. Abt. 1757, Lunenburg, VA..  xvi. ELIZABETH ESTES, b. Abt. 1759, LUNENBURG;VA..  xvii. FRANCES ESTES, b. Abt. 1761, LUNENBURG;VA..  xviii. SARAH ESTES, b. Abt. 1763, LUNENBURG;VA..  xix. JOHN ESTES, b. Abt. 1765, ;LUNENBURG;VA..  xx. MARTHA ESTES, b. 1769, ;LUNENBURG;VA..  xxi. THOMAS ESTES, b. Abt. 1771, ;LUNENBURG;VA.. I should warn you straight up that the chart I extracted this out of is brim full of mistakes and a lot of pretty bizzare ones at that. There are no sources and the owner of the web site says he's putting it up for "public interest". It's not his chart BTW, he doesn't even know who sent it to him .. his own research is quite good, so I'm not flaming the chap in question (and I'm intentionally not saying who he is). The above section was actually one of the *three* families attributed to "Elisha Estes and Mary Stone" in the chart .. to give you an idea of the unreliability of the chart .. "xiii.Mary Ann" was listed as marrying Elisha Estes, who was the father of the Elisha who married Mary Stone in another family grouping in the same chart. :) However, having said that, while many of the connections between family groups were pretty bizzare, to say the least, I found that almost all the actual family groups were pretty consistent with what I've got. A few ring-in children here and there .. but hey, everyone's got them. :) Anyways, I would suggest that the above family group is that of the Elisha who died c.1806, Charlotte Co, VA. It's obviously not the children of Mary Stone. *grin* Whoever she married!! The dob's are obviously estimates .. all carefully 2 years apart with 1767 missing (but one child without a dob (Lucy), so her estimate has likely been lost and her position in the family mixed up since genie software tends to do that kinda thing. The Frances here would seem to be a good candidate for the Frances, d/o Elisha Estes, who married William Winn Cockerham in 1793. She was most likely born 1770-1775 (not the 1761 given in the chart). If she was the eldest child then Elisha would've been born around 1750. If she was the youngest, then we're looking at a dob for Elisha of around 1730. As a short sideline, from Lunen. Co, VA marriage records (reprinted in Estes Trails), there're the following Estes who could be part of this family (they're not otherwise accounted for): Elisha, born 1780-est, married Elizabeth Blakenship, 29/11/1806 Henson, born 1775-est, married Martha Blakenship, 20/12/1799 John, born 1755-est, married Mary Estes, 23/1/1778 Mary, born 1780-est, married Charles Byasse, 10/8/1804 Estimates of births are my own, and assume they are 1st marriages. The name of the wife in the 3rd one has been suggested as being a mistake, tho' it could've been a 1st or 2nd cousin. If John is the John in the above family group, he'd then be born a bit earlier than the 1761 estimate way up above. If Frances (c.1770/1775) was Elisha's last child, then John would fit perfectly as his first child with a dob of c.1755. The mary who married Chas Byasse _could_ be the d/o Elisha, however I'd say his daughter would've been too old. 20 years is a reasonable spread for children back then, but 30 is stretching things a bit. I would say that Mary, Henson and Elisha were children of John and Mary Estes who married 1778. So rewriting the chart: Elisha, born about 1730; spent most is adult life in Lunenburg Co, VA and died in neighbouring Charlotte Co, VA c.1806 (which was formed from Lunen). Married unknown. Children of Elisha Estes & unknown: i. John Estes, born c.1755. Married Mary (Estes?), 1778, Lunenburg Co, VA. Children: Henson (c.1778), Elisha (1780) & Mary (1785) of Lunenburg Co, VA. ii. Lucy Estes, married Nathaniel Journey. iii. Mary Ann Estes iv. Mildred Estes v. Nancy Estes vi. Elizabeth Estes vii. Sarah Estes viii. Martha Estes ix. Thomas Estes x. Frances Estes, born c.1770/1775. Married William Cockerham, 1793, Lunenburg Co, VA. The only candidate I have for this Elisha would be Elisha, son of John Estes (1701-1771). This Elisha was born in the late 1720's and was in Halifax Co, VA in 1771 and 1779, with wife, Jane. Halifax borders Lunenburg and Charlotte counties. And, surprise, surprise, that would then mean that Elisha followed tradition and named his eldest son after his father. So now we need some evidence to back up this theory .. or shoot it out of the water. :) David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

Right you are David-- You sent me that notation or Li Ann did just recently plus I had already seen it long ago. The court record does not say which Elisha this is. 1. Is he the one who lived where it turned into Charlotte Co. I think so, but we need someone to share the will with us to know for sure. 2. Elisha of Henry didn't have a Nancy, but his probably daughter-in-law, Mary Stone Townsend Estes, did, but she is thought to be a Townsend. And Nancy Townsend is proven bu court records to have m. Daniel Richardson. 3. many other Elishas I think the best candidate for Nancy's father is Elisha of Charlotte. Later! Donna Marayong wrote: > > G'day Donna, > > Got the following from Linda .. I'm surprised I didn't remember it > myself. > > The Nancy who married William Cockerham _was_ the daughter of an Elisha > Estes since there's a court record mentioning it, re the slave below. > I've seen an extract of the record .. likely somewhere in my unsorted > archives. :) > > FmlyHstry@aol.com wrote: > > I think that record about the slave that Elisha Estes loaned/rented? > > to WWC & the interest in the slave belonged to wife Nancy & her > > children tells it all. That was her property from her family. Now > > which Elisha? Think it was a slave...... > > > > Linda > > cheers, > David. > -- > I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside > me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the > time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. > - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio > DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag > http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au -- °º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` Every time I find an ancestor I need to find two more! °º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`

G'day folks, Donna Hull mentioned that she'd seen mention of an Elisha Estes who'd died c.1806 in Charlotte Co, VA and that he'd left a will. He ahd a daughter who married a Nathaniel Journey. Does anyone know who this Elisha was, have a copy of his will or have access to Charlotte Co, VA records? Just when you thought it was safe .. yet another Elisha!!! Thanks, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, I've been thinking of which Nancy Estes married William Winn Cockerham. All that I have to go on is the following: : William Winn COCKERHAM, b. 1748, d. 1818 Pendleton Dist, SC : m2 Nancy ESTES, dtr/o Elisha ESTES of Lunenburg, m. 20 Jun : 1793. Their children were Patsy, Elisha, Kitty, & Polly Patsy is actually Martha and Polly is Mary. Anyone know what Kitty was the pet name for? Catherine?? William's first wife was Edith Stone, d/o Richard and Mary Stone. I'm not sure but I think this is the same couple who're the parents of the famous or infamous (depending on whether you're a descendent I guess!) Mary Stone-Townsend-Estes. Which suggests a connection with that family .. tho' this is not necessesarily so. The above quote comes, I believe, from "Southern Historical Families", by J. B. Boddie - which has come in for a bit of flack lately for being innacurate. But taking it at what it's worth .. we're looking for an Elisha Estes who was living in Lunenburg Co, VA sometime during the late 1700's. Who're the candidates? The first one shouldn't come as a surprise I guess ... Elisha Estes, born 1754, married Mary Hord/Herd and possibly (probably?) as his first wife married Margaret/Marget. According to an unverified source, Elisha and Margaret/Mary had a daughter, Nancy. This ELisha was born in Lunenburg Co, VA, but by the mid 1770's he was living in Franklin/Henry Co, VA where he remained until about 1805 when he moved to KY (thank's to Li Ann for tracking his movements). His daughter, Nancy, assuming she esisted is a possibility .. however there's no other SC connection with that family and Nancy would have to have been a pretty young bride. Elisha likely married around 1777, so nancy would've been 15 or younger when she married, presuming she was Elisha's first child. The father of the above Elisha, Elisha Sr, born 1729, is another candidate. he was also in Lunenburg Co, VA for a time .. however he would not have been known as "Elisha of Lunenburg Co" since he spent only a few years there. Also there's no mention of a daughter, Nancy, in his will. The only other candidate I have is the Elisha who'se been recently suggested (by garmon Estes & others) as being the son of John Estes (1701-1771). This Elisha married a Jane and was in Halifax Co, VA from 1771-1779. Halifax Co borders Lunenburg. I have no idea when this Elisha was born so couldn't say if he was too old or not. David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

JT wrote: > > Anybody looking for info on JOHN. M. ESTES, his father, CICERO ESTES? > While looking in the book Cherokee by Blood I found a little info on > him. Let me know. JoAnn . Joel ESTES of Greenville Co, SC . +Mary HARBIN . . Cicero ESTES (1833-aftr.1908) of Gwinnett Co, GA; to Bebe, OK . . +? . . . John M. ESTES (1863-aftr.1908) of TX; to Comanche Co, OK That's all I have on John. Would be interested in what you found. David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day 'gain, In the same source as my earlier post I found the following: (From "CAVALIERS & PIONEERS", Nell m. Nugent, Vol. V) p.259: James Atwood, 1,765 ac Amelia Co both sides Little Bryer R., adj Martin, Elisha Eastis, Davis, Cobb, Watson, & his own line. 20 Jul 1748 p.453a-5 p.260: Elisha Eastis, 400 ac Amelia Co betw Bush & Bryer Rivers, adj Rud, his own line, Atwood, Davis & Macgeehee, 20 Jul 1748. p.329: Elisha Eastes, 400 ac Amelia Co S side of Bryer R. adj Parson & Atwood, 12 Jan 1747/48 The only Elisha's I have born before 1727 are Elisha Sr (1703) and Elisha son of Sylvester (who presumably went to NC with his father). But .. I have Elisha (1703) as having moved to Henry Co by 1727 and was not in Amelia Co. Does anyone know who this Amelia Co, VA Elisha was? Does anyone have anything on the movements of Elisha Sr (1703)? He died in Henry Co, VA .. but just when did he move there? Is my 1727 date far too early as it looks like. His son, Elisha Jr was in Amelia Co latter on .. but he was born 1729, so under legal age in 1748. And in 1748 the Elisha in Amelia Co already owned land. Thanks, David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, Following up the current discussion as to whether John Estes of Hyde Co, NC or John Estes of Louisa Co, VA was the son of Abraham Estes Sr, the following deed sheds (from Donna Hull) some pretty revealing light: >From "CAVALIERS & PIONEERS", Nell m. Nugent, Vol. V. pp.36-7: David Thomson, 1,113 ac Hanover Co on both sides East, Middle & Main Fks of N. Fk of No.East Cr, beg at Capt. Clark's now John Powers's & Richard Estes's corner, by the side of a stony Knole, by a glade, adj John Estes, Rbt Estes & Richd Estes, 30 Aug 1743 pp.565-6, 800 ac pt formerly gtd sd David Thomson by 2 separate Pat's dated 25 Aug 1731. 313 ac NL. John Estes of Hanover Co (latter Louisa), VA was a close neighbour of Robert and Richard Estes. I've not heard anyone question whether Richard or Robert were Abraham Sr's sons, so the fact that this John is living next door is very suggestive that he's their brother. Which begs the question, who is John Estes of Hyde Co, NC? David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

Anybody looking for info on JOHN. M. ESTES, his father, CICERO ESTES? While looking in the book Cherokee by Blood I found a little info on him. Let me know. JoAnn

Can anyone help out with this request? Thanks, B.Oaks Subject: Questions about Estes Family Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Roberta J. Dooley" <rjdooley_47117@yahoo.com> To: Barbara Oaks <mtnmom@flash.net> We took a trip to Adair County and visited cemeteries Monday, some I hadn't been to and mom, my aunt, my dad, husband and myself rode to a few. Stotts, Pelston/Polston and a few others that only had 1 person in them. I found some that I don't have in my data base and thought you could probably help me with it. In the Pelston/Polston Cemetery I found Stanley Estes b:8/28/1915 d:5/25/1984 wife Gladys b:3/18/1920 d:9/27/1978 daughter Margaret Sue Estes b:3/17/1944 d:9/27/1978, mom and my aunt remember Stanley having a wreck on Independence Ridge and Greenbriar Ridge and it killing his wife and daughter these are the two. But I don't have a connection with them being related. Is Stanley Edd Estes son? They seem to think he was, can you help me on this one? There was also Edd Estes, Melinda V. Estes and 2 infant children of Edd next to Stanley and his family. I have Edd and his wife Melinda but nothing more on them. I didn't have the 2 infant children. Also James Estes and his wife Jammie which on her stone it says Janie. James was a brother to Edd right? One of the Estes girls married George Stilts, my grandmother Vergie Mae Hawkins was first married to a Herman Cawthron and his mother was Mollie Stilts, do you know anything on the Stilts family or how I can find someone who does? I found Williams and Firkins in that cemetery also. Oh yes Louise Estes is buried next to James and Janie is this there 3 month old daughter or if not do you know who it is. I had no children listed for James or Edd. It was interesting and fun to have mom take me to these places. She and my Aunt Gertie remember quit a bit and have been very helpful with facts. Let me know. If you have children for Edd, Stanley, James or anymore please let me know who I would love to have them and also the Stilts family. On Herman Cawthron's death certificate it states that he was buried in the Stilts Cemetery but it is called the Fudge Cemetery. Maybe when he died in 1924 it was a family cemetery and they just called it that, haven't found anything where it is called Stilts, and in contacting Adair County Genealogy nothing there either.

G'day folks, The following is for the most part based on an article by Kitty Estes Savage that appears in Estes Trails, 1988, 8.1, pp.2-19. The article does contain some speculations which more recent discoveries have shown to be wrong, however it does contain some interesting facts. Note: All dates in english format, dd/mm/yyy. I've "corrected" strange spellings except in the case of names for the sake of clarity. If you want the original versions, let me know. Paragraphs marked by a "#" are from the article. # 21/2/1654 "Grant of Richard Bennett [VA Governor of the time] to Nicholas Lambdson of 200 acres in Westmoreland Co.. upon Upper Matchatich River [*] ... due for the transportation of four persons into this colony .. patent assigned to Jacob Porter and Thomas Estast.." [*] Can anyone with a good VA map or a native tell me where this was? Is it in the current Westmoreland Co or in a county formed from it? So .. we have a Thomas "Estes" who was in Westmoreland Co, VA by 1654. Another version of the patent gives the date of 26/7/1654. KES speculated that this Thomas was either Thomas, born 1605, Co Kent, England, s/o Robert and Anne Eastes, or that he was Thomas, born 1636, Co Kent, England, s/o Robert and Dorothy Eastes. However my own research of the english records (as well as others) has shown these two Thomas Eastes' remained and died in england. There are currently no known (to me at least) candidates for this Thomas in the english records. However the mid 1600's are a chaotic period for english records (the cromwell period) and many births were not recorded and many of those that were were subsequently lost. Also, "Estes" were not unique to the area of Deal in county kent .. the name was known all along the english coastline from Devon in the south-west to Norfolk in the east, as well as in several counties in the "interior" of england. So it cannot be assumed that all "Estes" arriving in the american colonies were of the kentish family. # 13/8/1658 .. a deed is witnessed by Thomas Estass. # 17/7/1658 .. a deed is witnessed by Thomas Eastass. # 1658 .. a deed is witnessed by James Estaste. # Other names mentioned strongly suggest that James and Thomas were closely related, perhaps brothers. James is a very rare name amongst the Eastes of co kent, England. The earliest I have was born in 1820! Again, that I know of. # The will of nathaniel Jones mentions Judith Estass, d/o Thomas Estass. Nathaniel leaves a cow calf for Judith, to be given to her when she reaches the age of 7. Will dated 1662. Judith was thus born after 1655. Likely not long after else she'd inherit a very elderly cow! :) # 29/6/1663 June, widow of the late Thomas Estast, renounces admin of his estate. Admin granted to Jacob Porter, who was associated with Thomas since at least 1654. # 29/12/1692 .. a deed mentions the plantation of John Easters, which lies along the main branch of the Chingoteague River in Richmond Co, VA. Richmond Co is adjacent to Westmoreland Co, both lying on the peninsula formed by the Potomac and the Rappahanock Rivers (tho' at along that stretch the "rivers" are more properly part of the Chesapeake Bay). It is quite tempting to suggest that this John, who'd have been born before 1671, was a son of Thomas of Westmoreland, who died in 1663. Latter on the article lists more immigrant "Estes". # In 1623, living with William Gany, was a Thomasin Easter, servant, age 26, emigrated in the Falcon in 1627. The inferrance from the article is that Thomasin was the Thomas who appears in Westmoreland. However Thomasin was a pretty common female name in the england of that time and Thomasin is also listed with another servant, Elizabeth Pope. I would suggest that Thomasin was a she and not a miss-spelling of Thomas. # John Easter, transported 1659 ..."Liber 7, folio 86". Could this be the John Easter of Richmond Co, VA in 1692? This is another possible origin for the Richmond Co John? Who was this John? A search of the Kent records, eliminating those who died in england or were there after 1659 reveals only one candidate .. John Eastes, born 1644, *brother of Abraham Estes*. It should be pointed out that a tender age was no barrier to being sent to the colonies. Thomasin Estes, mentioned before, was shipped at the age of 20 and her fellow servant was shipped at the age of 6. In the england of the 1600's, teenage *men* had families, served in the king's armies and so forth. After all, back then 30 was considered "old age". The article then mentions John Estes of Hyde Co, NC. This John has recently been suggested as being the son of Abraham .. which of course would mean John, 1701-1771, can't be Abraham's son. This sugestion is one I've not been happy with. The placement of John, 1701-1771, as the son of Abraham seems to have a pretty solid support. Also, this John was on pretty close terms with Richard, a known son of Abraham. The 1701-1771 John also had a son, Abraham. The fact that the John of Hyde Co, NC had a son, Abraham, is the main evidence that he's the son of Abraham Estes. As a brief side line, looking at teh dates of the Hyde Co, NC John one can come up with some guesses as to when he was born. he died in 1732 with 8 children. Assuming about 2 years per child, he'd have married around 1715 at the latest, so would be born around 1790, at the latest. Three of his sons, Abraham (d.1751), John (d.1752) and William (d.1770) have known dates of death. Abraham mentions two children in his will, admin to his brothers. So evidently his children were minors. That suggests Abraham died young. He'd have been born no latter than 1720, which again puts his father's birth in the early to mid 1790's. Looking at teh dates another way, William died in 1770, his two brothers in the 1750's. If we assume William lived to about 70, then they were born "about 1700". John's wife, mary, died in 1750. If we assume she died at 70yo, then she was born c.1680 .. which would fit with the estimates of her children being born around 1700. John would then have been born about 1675 (wives were generally younger back then, 5 years is a typical figure). Abraham Estes did not emigrate to america until 1684, which would seem to rule him out. Of course these estimates are all very "loose". :) So .. who then is the father of the Hyde Co, NC, John? The most obvious candidate would be the John who was in Richmond Co, VA in 1792. Who could've been the son of Thomas of Westmoreland Co .. or the John who arrived in 1657. The dates would fit for either one. And John of Hyde Co, NC did name a son Thomas. KES also mentions that Gov. Spotswood of VA sent troups to NC between 1700-1720 during the Tuscarora Indian War. Presumably many of those sent south to fight remained behind and set up home in NC. Including among them Sylvester, son of Abraham, and John, son of ??. Several other Estes emigrants were mentioned. # John Estes (Etes), 1637, to james City Co, VA # William Estes, 1653, to Lancaster Co, VA Comments? Feedback? Larry: If you want to pinch this for Estes Trails let me know and I'll polish it up and add in some more research and detailed sources. Feedback? <hopeful look> David. -- I bless the day I met you and I thank God that he let you lay beside me for a moment that lives on and the good news is I'm better for the time we spent together and the bad news is you're gone. - "You're Gone", Diamond Rio DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au