Doris, Marilyn, et al-- Here is non-personal part of my answer to Marilyn--I don't care to get personal on the list. p. 373 names Col. Thomas Kennedy as the one who hit her on the head with the sword. Also mentions Karalo, wife of sub-chief Red Horse who tried to defend priscilla. I don't see where Pris is referred to as a young lady. p. 371 calls her a hired girl. By the way, Estes name is in deed books, etc for many, many, not just Richard, as Estridge. My eyes aren't too good anymore due to diabetic damage, but if I missed what you're taking about, please point it out. I don't recall her being referred to as a young lady or woman. A "young girl" could be assumed to be either since many people call adult women girls. One guy wrote & raked me over the coals because Michalimakanac is in the southern peninsula of MI & not in OH. Will, the village was burned out & moved 4-5 timed. It may have been in what is now MI when she was captured, but it originall was in central west OH territory--actually part of VA still, I think. He told me I didn't know my history & he would research it for me so that I would know what I said was not true. Save Me!!!! I could know more, but I was pretty thorough with the historical part of the time period. Tecumseh's father was Pucksinwah, the Mother was Methotasa & Chiksika was the older bro & Tecumapese was the older sister who cared for the younger brothers: Tecumseh & "The Prophet" after father was killed & mother sort of lost it & left & went to live with another tribe. The father d. 10 Oct 1774, a Monday, in the Battle of Point Pleasant, a Fort where the Great Kanawha River enters the Ohio River. The elder bro was in the battle at age 12. Four years later he led the raid in which Priscilla Estes was captured. Chiksika was b. 1756 at Kispoko Town & was old enough by March 1768 to haul firewood for the fire when Tecumseh was b. Mar 9 1768. The parents were m. 1755. This is from "A Sorrow in Our Heart, the Life of Tecumseh" by Allan W. Eckert, a well- documented historical novel with sources cited. (c) 1992 but I didn't see it until last year. Now to list the sources That I'm referring to in my book 1. "Jacob Miller, Our Immigrant...And More" in the appendix pp362-380: 2. History of the New River Settlement, by David E. Johnston, 1906, pp. 63-67 3. Gateway to Empire, by Allan W. Eckert, 1983 4. History of the Valley of Virginia, by Samuel Kercheval, 1883, 4th ed. 1925, p. 378 5. Chicago History Abstracts 6. Chicago from 1816 to 1830, p. 101: 7. Giles County, VA History - Families, by Research Committee, Giles Co. Historical Society p. 225 8. Draper Collection 9BB, p. 60 (p. 1-20), a Narrative by General Henry Lee (1758-1846) dated July 1843 (re: her rescue) 9. And YEARS of research of many family members, the primary ones on the capture & rescue were Pat Finnell, Margaret Millar Hayes, & myself. Now I'd like to request documentation from each of you on each post to this list. Am I disconcerted--YES, I don't mind being asked for documentation, but the flames to the list & to me personally, are uncalled for & RUDE. Donna Hull A Genealogist of 46 years

Looking for any information on a Samantha Estes. Samantha could possibly be a middle name. She was born July 17, 1863, in Arkansas, but could possibly have moved to Missouri after that. Thanks, Kathy

Beware of the alleged Italian origins of the Estes name. They are dubious at best. Every source I've ever read can trace the name back to the village of Deal, in Kent, England. From there the origins get murky. This page: http://www.triode.net.au/~dragon/ft/estes/links.html is a good starting point to get the facts. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

Here's a couple of Wills with Estes mentioned: Lunenburg County, Virginia, Will Book No. 1, With Inventories, Accounts, Etc, 1746-1762 Page 172. Account Current of the estate of Joseph Dabbs, deceased. Debits To: John Gannaway; Jas. Lee; Clerk of Amelia; M. Talbot Jr; John Smyth; Mich'l McDanal's judgment and costs against Collins; John David; Eliza. Young; Jas. Webb; Jas. Webb for paid Edmd Gray; paid Hoggatt; Bell and Booker; Step Collins; Step Collins his demand which Nanny Webb, one of the executors, agreed to; Step Collins for a judgment he obtained vs Webb who married the widow Dabbs. Total: =A3 227.11.1. Balance: 43.15.1=BD Credits Thos Hall; Phil Halcomb; Henry Isbel; Perrin Alday; David Emanuel; Ben Dixon; Lewis Lesue; Jonathan Ashworth; Jas. Stewart; Jonathan Vernon; John Phelps; Nicholas Hayle; Mat Talbot; Jas. Eastes; Thos. Boulden by Tho. Vernon; Clement Read for John Smith; Samuel Johnson, by a Constable's fee; Abraham Martin. By 4 Negroes, Patt, Beck, Sal, Harry. By Negro Phillis. By 1 horse to Step Saunders. By a hatchel to Chas. Lee. By 1 bed and furniture to Collins. By 2 Negroes to Edmund Gray. By Step Collins for Joseph Moreton. By ditto for William Williams. By ditto for David Emanuel. By Step Collins for Ch Talbott. Total: =A3 271.2.2=BD. Aug 5, 1754. We this day met and examined all the accts, and find 43 =A3 15 shillings, and 1=BD penny due to the estate of the said Dabbs, as by the within acct from James Webb, who married the widow of said Dabbs, and was executrix to his will. Signed - Thomas Boulden, Thos. Nash. Recd of Ann Dabbs to the value of 5 =A3, being the accompt of Joseph Dabbs, deceased, recd by me. Signed Oct 14, 1749 - John Gannaway Sr. Recd of Ann Dabbs, 1 =A3 5 shillings on the account of Joseph Dabbs, deceased, per me. Signed Oct 26, 1749 - James Lee. 1748, Amelia, Joseph Dabbs of L. Debits mention: writ vs Robert Cammell, Read atty, writ vs James Center; Judgment vs Tar; Saml Cobbs, Cl. Credits mention: Mat'w Talbot Jr of L; writ vs Duggins; writ vs Haies; writ vs Bashaw; serving J & P vs Mount. Oct 2, 1751. Then recd of James Neel, 10 shillings, in full by me. Thos. Williamson [witness] John Smith L Court Jul 5, 1749, Michael McDaniel vs Stephen Collins, on a petition =A3 4.19.0. On hearing the arguments, judgment is granted the Plaintiff for =A3 4.19.0 and the costs - costs to the Clk, to the Sheriff, allowed the Wid, for costs. I do hereby promise to pay to John David or order, 6 shillings 11 pence, for value recd. Signed May 10, 1749 - Nany Dabbs. Witness - Thos. Nash. I do assign to Thomas Watkin my right to the within note. Signed Mar 30, 1750 - Jno David. We promise to pay to Elizabeth Young 7 shillings by next Dec 30. We bind ourselves in the sum of 14 shillings. Signed Jun 30, 1748 - Jos Dabb, John Smith. Witnesses - Henry May, Mathew Talbot. Amelia. Nathaniel Hoggatt made oath before me that Joseph Dabbs, in his lifetime, owed him 14 =A3 for a horse, which said 14 =A3 he recd of his widow, Anne Dabbs, about 2 years ago. Certified Oct 30, 1753 - Jno Nash. Mr. Joseph Dabbs, deceased to Steven Collings. Debits include: your assumpsit for Nath'l Hogget; paid Boulden for 2 Negroes; note of hand from James Gray to me, assumed by Dabbs; cash lent your wife; paid Sill Johnson for weaving; paid Doctor Smith; paid John Roberts' judgment, debt, and costs; paid William Brown; cash paid to Cargell; paid Thomas Lewis' judgment and costs; cash Dabbs recd of John Hudnot due to me; paid Mr. Bouldin for Dabbs; tobacco paid Mr. Read. Total: =A3 107.8.10. Lunenburg. This day, Stephen Collings, before me, made oath that the above acct stands justly stated. Signed Sep 29, 1753 - Abra. Martin. Jul 1, 1754. This day came before me (Joseph Morton, a Justice of the Peace for Prince Edward County), Stephen Collins, who declared that said Collins had but 4 beds of the estate, and that they were set up for sale with sundry other articles, which amounted to =A3 28.5.0. Certified Jul 1, 1754 - Jos. Morton. At L Court of Oct 1, 1754, the within account current of the estate of Joseph Dabbs, deceased, was returned by the referees and passed the Court, which, with the report, was ordered to be recorded. Also found: Page 258. Will. I, John Bacon of L and Parish of Cumberland, Planter, being sick and weak in body - =46irst, I want my just debts and funeral expenses paid. To my son John Bacon - after the death or marriage of my wife Frances Bacon, 1 Negro boy named Sam. Upon consideration of his paying 30 =A3 in 2 bonds, I am bound his security. To my wife Frances Bacon - the use and occupation of the rest of my personal estate, during her life or widowhood, and after her death, among my children. William Bacon, Edmond Bacon, Nathaniel Bacon, Francis Bacon, Elizabeth Bacon, Sarah Bacon, Susanah Bacon, and Mary Bacon. I do not want my son, Nathaniel Bacon, to receive any part of my estate until he discharges 25 =A3 he is now in my debt, cash I paid for him. To my daughter Frances - it is my desire that if ever Benjamin Estis, who married my daughter Frances, is known to play at games, that whatsoever estate I have bequeathed her, shall be equally divided among my other children. To my daughter Mary - I want her to have her first choice. Executors - my wife Frances Bacon, William Bacon, and my brother, Lyddal Bacon. Signed Oct 20, 1758 - John Bacon. Witnesses - C: Courtney, Grissell Bacon. At Jul 3, 1759 Court, the within will of the deceased was exhibited by the executrix, and the same was proved by the witnesses, and ordered to be recorded. And on the motion of the executrix, certificate is granted her for obtaining a probate of said will, whereupon she, together with George Elliot, Lyddal Bacon, and John Ragsdale [I am interested in Ragsdales], her securities, entered into bond. Transcribed by Delorise Sexton http://deloriseaz.home.att.net Just in case someone needed this: I was looking for the Sullivans and Ragsdales but saw a Estes so I couldn't resist the temptation to forward it. You know you are an addicted genealogist...If you'd rather read census schedules than a good book.

Donna, I have read your book and the documentation you provided. But I haven't seen where the name of the indian woman or her hubby were named or the documentation for it. I do know that part of what you wrote, her treatment with the indians and such were part of our stories and that is based on memory of the grandchildren. Also I know that in my handed down story that Priscilla saved her Granddaughter's (Priscilla Ross Dealy) life in 1849 in Taylor Co.IA when she was on her death bed after giving birth to a daughter (Elizabeth Dealy). Priscilla brought graveclothes but saved her with the indian remedies. I looked thru your book again and found the dates with Tecumseh 1812 and 1813, were mentioned with him and since Priscilla was rescued around 1786-87 I didn't find a connection. Also in my family history it said that Priscilla's parents went to tend their corn crop and left the children with a young neighbor couple. When the indians came they hid the children in the trees and Priscilla came out and offered herself to the indians. Whether she thought to save the others or what we don't know. My story says she was around 7 at the time of capture and stayed with them for 11 years. Going by the KY cornfield law of 1776-77 where you plant an acre of corn and get to own the land we figured Priscilla was around 7 at that time. The one thing about Moredock McKenzie that bothers me is: It talks of his little or young daughters as children and the hired girl as a young lady. The little girls were mentioned to be around 6 & 7, the hired girl was mentioned as a young lady, but Priscilla was only 6 or 7 too plus the fact in many stories the young lady wasn't captured, but hid and told Moredock what happened. If you would please send me the page numbers where this indian couple is mentioned in the book I would really appreciate it. As one of the contributors of your book, with marriage records, deeds, military records, plus my family line, I do think I deserve the courtesy of that at least. Thanks Marilyn

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:02:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ESTES-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Ester Eads" <ekeads@ipa.net> > Could you give me some more info on the Estes' that you have? I found that all Estes' that immigrated to the USA are related. The name originated from Italy, then went on to England and to here. I will give you the low-down if you want, please email me and I will send it. Thank you Roberta Kent

In a message dated 4/18/01 4:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ESTES-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I would like to know more on this Priscilla Estes Miller, as I am searching the Este name also, could you please email me any info that you have. all I have are a few names: Harry Valentine Estes,m. Marie Gertrude Dingle (English) no one is sure on the last name of the wife; Adam Estes, m. Blanche Burlingham; Harry M. Estes. Sibs of Harry V. Are Louie, Charlie, Clifford, Bernice (Keyes), and Vera (Chase, m. John Chase). This is what I have at the present. Please help. I have been told that all Estes' are related that came over from abroad. Any help is of great need. Thank you. Roberta Kent

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thanks for the plus, David. Marilyn-- Check the appendix on the capture in my book which you purchased: "Jacob Miller, Our Immigrant...And More" Certainly hope you've read the rest of the book for other documentation. Donna Donna, What is the documentation on this info? I know a lot of cousins would like to be able to look it up too. Me included! Where did you find the Indian sub chief's wife's name? Also where did you find that Tecumseh's brother had her? A lot of this is new info to many of us and we would really like to be able to document this for our family trees. Thanks for your help and patience! Marilyn Merritt

I don't know if there's any information on Estes in the book, but if anyone wants to read about Tecumsah, The Bench, Sequoyah and the others there's a book written by his descendants called "Tell Them They Lie." It goes into what they say is the truth about Tecumsah's life and compares it to what the "white man" says. Its a very interesting read. I only had it on loan, so I can't look it up or give you the publishers information, but I got it at the local public library so I'm sure its available elsewhere. I don't recall reading anything about an Estes, surely it would've made me do a double take. I could be wrong. They did go into a lot in this book, so its possible that they are in there and I somehow missed it. April >It's (I assume) a summary from her book on Priscilla and co .. so the >documentation would be detailed in there. > >Might as well give a plug for yer book Donna .. it's on-topic after all! > >cheers, >David. Oops.... You caught me with my notes down...http://heycuz.cjb.net

ESTES-L@rootsweb.com Donna, What is the documentation on this info? I would love to know how/where you found the Indian sub chief's wife's name? Also where did you find that Tecumseh's brother had her? This is certainly new information, would really like to be able to document this for our family trees. Thanks for your help .........Doris Kirkland

MKMerritt@aol.com wrote: > > Donna, > What is the documentation on this info?.. It's (I assume) a summary from her book on Priscilla and co .. so the documentation would be detailed in there. Might as well give a plug for yer book Donna .. it's on-topic after all! cheers, David. -- The universe is not only queerer that we imagine, it is queerer than we *can* imagine - J. B. S. Haldane DC2.D A+++! L^ Pfwl Bfl Fo R+++! Ac+ J-- S++ Fr+++! I+ H++ $ M V+++ Cag http://xenon.triode.net.au/~dragon mailto:dragon@triode.net.au

G'day folks, Anyone identify the following? cheers, David. ** Original Message ** Subject: Benjamin ESTES I am trying to find my gg grandfather , Benjamin ESTES . He was born in 1814 in SC. His parents were John and Sarah ESTES who migrated to Greene County, AL. John was born in 1777. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Sincerely,Joanne Harris

Donna, What is the documentation on this info? I know a lot of cousins would like to be able to look it up too. Me included! Where did you find the Indian sub chief's wife's name? Also where did you find that Tecumseh's brother had her? A lot of this is new info to many of us and we would really like to be able to document this for our family trees. Thanks for your help and patience! Marilyn Merritt "GRANDMA MILLER Priscilla ESTES MILLER, who I knew for years as just Grandma MILLER. She was the daughter of Richard ESTES & Mary STONE of Lunenburg, Montgomery & Franklin Co's, VA & Madison Co., KY. Richard was the son of Elisha of Henry Co., VA. Mary STONE was the dtr/o Richard of Lunenburg Co., VA. She was born about 1770, captured by the Shawnee (Tecumseh's brother) in 1778, rescued 1786 in Michelimachinac, OH. Her half-brother Joshua TOWNSEND was in the rescue party & later recognized her. He brought her to Madison Co., KY where her siblings & their father were living. Her folks lived in what is now Giles Co., VA on Walker & Wolf Creeks on New River watershed near Pearisburg, VA. She was a hired girl for a neighbor, Moredock McKENZIE, at the time his home was raided & his 2 daughters taken captive. When they were rescued, the three were still in the same village rather than having been split up. We have as many versions of the capture & rescue as there were MILLER children, but they all contain similarities, plus it has been documented in quite a few books. The books do not give the human-interest stuff I'd like to know, so would like very much to have the chance to talk with her.. She m. 1788 in Madison Co., KY to Jacob "Grandpa" MILLER & they raised 11 children in Madison, Montgomery & Estill Co., KY. 1829 they moved to Fulton Co., Il where Grandpa MILLER died of a bleeding nose. Grandma MILLER lived to be 93, dying in 1863 probably in MO, KS or IA. Grandpa MILLER had grown up in Augusta, Greenbrier & Monroe Co's VA but was the Daniel Boone explorer type & went to KY in 1780's. He was a scout for Boone & was at the Fort at Boonesborough. He fought in the War of 1812 in the Battle of Raisen River & Tippecanoe. There is a MILLER Creek named for him near where he lived which is now in Lee Co., KY. She always said that she was treated quite well by the Indians. She had been adopted by a sub-chief's wife Karalo who protected her from Indians & whites alike. Some remember that she was treated like a princess. She learned herbal rememdies that she afterward would use for her children & grand- children. She would travel far, if one of hers needed care. About 1840, she rushed to the side of a daughter who was dying following childbirth, & she pulled her through with prayers & herb cures. I chose her, because I would enjoy hearing more about her life while in captivity & the learnings she received there. I am in to herbal rememdies, so would especially enjoy discussing that, plus what happened to her one daughter who I can't find. Donna"

Am still looking for verified information on my ggggggrandfather Elisha Estes spouse Elizabeth Golding. Would appreciate any and all information on the above two ancestors. Carol

I am interested in finding out if the middle name "Estes" was given from a family member with the last name of Estes, Thank you. Roberta

Roberta, In regard to your inquiry about "Estes" being used as a middle name by someone whose last name was "Estes" - that certainly was the case in my family. My ggg grandmother (Celia Barnes Pinkerton) named her son (Wiley Estes Pinkerton) after her mother who was Rhoda Estes Barnes. The name stayed in the family through my great grand father and finally to my father. Sadly, all my brothers were named "popular" names instead of following the family tradition. Ester

This msg. is for David. We were in touch RE: ESTES/TOWNSEND and the connection to my Richardson line some time ago. Yesterday, a posting came out on the MILLER Rootsweb RE: ESTES/TOWNSEND/MILLER. David would you please contact me? I seem to have lost your e-mail address and would like to fprward this msg. for you to see. Thank you, Sharron Redden, CA

GRANDMA MILLER Priscilla ESTES MILLER, who I knew for years as just Grandma MILLER. She was the daughter of Richard ESTES & Mary STONE of Lunenburg, Montgomery & Franklin Co's, VA & Madison Co., KY. Richard was the son of Elisha of Henry Co., VA. Mary STONE was the dtr/o Richard of Lunenburg Co., VA. She was born about 1770, captured by the Shawnee (Tecumseh's brother) in 1778, rescued 1786 in Michelimachinac, OH. Her half-brother Joshua TOWNSEND was in the rescue party & later recognized her. He brought her to Madison Co., KY where her siblings & their father were living. Her folks lived in what is now Giles Co., VA on Walker & Wolf Creeks on New River watershed near Pearisburg, VA. She was a hired girl for a neighbor, Moredock McKENZIE, at the time his home was raided & his 2 daughters taken captive. When they were rescued, the three were still in the same village rather than having been split up. We have as many versions of the capture & rescue as there were MILLER children, but they all contain similarities, plus it has been documented in quite a few books. The books do not give the human-interest stuff I'd like to know, so would like very much to have the chance to talk with her.. She m. 1788 in Madison Co., KY to Jacob "Grandpa" MILLER & they raised 11 children in Madison, Montgomery & Estill Co., KY. 1829 they moved to Fulton Co., Il where Grandpa MILLER died of a bleeding nose. Grandma MILLER lived to be 93, dying in 1863 probably in MO, KS or IA. Grandpa MILLER had grown up in Augusta, Greenbrier & Monroe Co's VA but was the Daniel Boone explorer type & went to KY in 1780's. He was a scout for Boone & was at the Fort at Boonesborough. He fought in the War of 1812 in the Battle of Raisen River & Tippecanoe. There is a MILLER Creek named for him near where he lived which is now in Lee Co., KY. She always said that she was treated quite well by the Indians. She had been adopted by a sub-chief's wife Karalo who protected her from Indians & whites alike. Some remember that she was treated like a princess. She learned herbal rememdies that she afterward would use for her children & grand- children. She would travel far, if one of hers needed care. About 1840, she rushed to the side of a daughter who was dying following childbirth, & she pulled her through with prayers & herb cures. I chose her, because I would enjoy hearing more about her life while in captivity & the learnings she received there. I am in to herbal rememdies, so would especially enjoy discussing that, plus what happened to her one daughter who I can't find. Donna

Awhile back I gave some information on Quaker Esteses and said I didn't know how Quaker dates were done. For anyone who's interested the following url explains Quaker dating. http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html April Give your children these two things. One is roots, the other, wings.