Many thanks, Chris On 13 March 2013 14:39, Chris Graves <chris@thegraves.co.uk> wrote: > I've looked at it again, because I may have misunderstood. I was looking at > reprisals against Royalists as the cause of the Second Civil War, rather > than as its aftermath. Donagan does deal with this, in particular to say > that the allegations of soldier prisoners being sold into slavery was a > common accusation, not just about those from Colchester. She cites Mercurius > Pragmaticus, Mercurius Elencticus in particular as the sources, also John > Rushworth, who was writing in 1680 and may have retailed the Royalist > propaganda as fact. > > However there is a more contemporaneous source for allegations of soldiers > sold as slaves to the galleys, to which she does also refer several times > and that is Matthew Carter : 'A Most True and Exact Relation of That as > Honourable Expedition of Kent, Essex and Colchester '(1650) > > Er, I bought my copy through abebooks ! > > Chris Graves, Colchester > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Moll [mailto:bviabe@gmail.com] > Sent: 13 March 2013 14:47 > To: Chris Graves > Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Siege of Colchester/ > > Chris > > I noted from some sample pages of Donagan's book online that the numbering > of her footnotes restarted for each chapter, so I assume that her > bibliography is correspondingly sequenced. > > If I could ascertain the page(s) referring to the threat to enslave Royalist > prisoners, it should be much easier to find the primary sources she > consulted for them > > Thanks again for your help > > Peter Moll > Tortola, BVI > formerly living in Mile End, Colchester > > On 12 March 2013 17:18, Peter Moll <bviabe@gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks, Chris >> >> Andrew Phillips repeats the claim that Royalist prisoners were sent to >> the West Indies as slaves in 'Colchester: a history" (2004), but >> Donagan casts doubt on the plan being effected >> > [snip] >> >> I expect the passages concerned are fairly short, but such a >> distinctive topic might still be indexed; perhaps under "slavery" >> >> I shall certainly pick up this book in Colchester later this year, if >> I have not already bought a copy online. >> >> Peter Moll >> >> On 12 March 2013 15:14, Chris Graves <chris@thegraves.co.uk> wrote: >>> I don't claim to be the expert on this subject but I do have Barbara >>> Donagan's book, which is very much a study of war and civil war, >>> rather than its causes. In the last section of the book she provides >>> an account of two sieges, Boarstall House (1645-1646) and a much >>> longer account of Colchester (1648). She describes the "major >>> outbreaks of the second war were geographically dispersed and >>> episodic; it was less a planned and co-ordinated war than, as John >>> Kenyon has said, 'a series of scattered uprisings'. >>> >>> Both she and Phil Jones ('The Siege of Colchester 1648') describe the >>> chaotic attempts by royalists to foment uprisings in different parts >>> of the country, with a series uprising in Kent led by the Earl of >>> Norwich (whom we in Colchester know by his lesser title of Lord >>> Goring) which started well, and then fizzled out, and then, following >>> a vain attempt to foment an uprising in London, found it countered by >>> Fairfax' much smaller but better organised army. The royalists fled >>> into Essex, principally to escape Fairfax, but fondly believing they > would receive support there. >>> >>> That support wasn't enough to resist Fairfax, and so they ended up at >>> Colchester in the belief that Sir Charles Lucas' home there would be >>> a sufficient base to hold out, and draw reinforcements from Suffolk >>> and the Royalist Navy. >>> >>> That's the main theme in the books I've read. >>> >>> That said, Barbara Donagan's bibliography is impressive, with 26 >>> pages of largely primary sources. They relate to the whole book, not >>> just the last four chapters. >>> >>> Chris Graves >>> Colchester >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Peter Moll >>> Sent: 12 March 2013 11:23 >>> To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [Ess] Siege of Colchester/ >>> >>> Is there any evidence that a Parliamentary threat before the >>> Colchester campaign to enslave captured Royalists, mentioned in >>> several secondary resources, was ever carried out? >>> >>> Barbara Donagan claims to be "drawing extensively on primary sources" >>> for *War in England 1642-1649" (2008). She uses the Siege of >>> Colchester as a case history in her research into the actual >>> experience of living through the War, trying to answer such questions >>> as "What were the rules that were supposed to govern conduct in war, and > how were they enforced?" >>> >>> She seems to have drawn on a Royalist source for the Parliamentary >>> threat at the outset of the Colchester campaign to "transport and >>> sell them [captured royalists] beyond Sea for slaves" and a >>> Parliamentary one for her statement that the plan was later dropped >>> (the minutes of the Essex Committee?) >>> >>> I have read only extracts from Donagan's book,so must apologise for >>> the absence of page references, but would be very grateful if someone >>> with access to her book would check to see if she quotes her primary >>> sources in each case. >