Good Afternoon Listers, I am trying to find out about my paternal grandmothers parents and wonder if anyone has come across the names that I have please? I have two copies of Nan's birth certificate, one dated 22nd November 1909 and the second dated 8th March 2008. I was advised to do this to see if there were any differences, there are not. They both say; Reg. Dist. Paddington, 1896, sub-dist. Saint Mary in the County of London. No.134. Fourth July 1896 at 4 Charlotte Place. Ivy Alicia, Girl. Father Leonard O'Hara Colson. Mother, Alicia Colson formerly Bernell. Occupation of Father, Resturant Keeper Informant, A. Colson Mother 4 Charlotte Place. Registered Thirtyfirst July 1896. Firstly, Mother Alicia was born Alice Pope at Falmouth in 1871 to James & Anna Pope nee Frost. The family say that this was her first marriage, so where did the name Bernell come from? Secondly, Leonard, it was said by the family, that he was killed in WW1 whilst on horseback in France. I can find no trace of him whatsoever, no birth, no marriage no Army record and no death. However his wife re-married a Henry Yates in West Ham on April 18th 1898 and descibes herself as a widow so this, if correct, rules out the WW1 death. No.4 Charlotte Place does not appear on the 1891 census and I do dot recognise any names on the 1901 census. You may have seen this in one of the monthly publications but that got me no-where. I have sent this to the four lists for the following reasons; Cornwall, where great gran was born. Devon, where several relations still live. London, where nan was born. Essex, where great gran re-married. I am fairly certain that my nan' birth certificate is a complete fabrication but just in case someone can help - PLEASE. David. King's Lynn.

Hi David, More to the point, where does Pope come in? But, if you have documentary proof that Alicia Pope 1871 is your ancestor, the Bernell could have come in by her mother re-marrying. Cheers Steve On 15/03/2013 16:45, David Apps wrote: > Good Afternoon Listers, > I am trying to find out about my paternal grandmothers parents and wonder if anyone has come across the names that I have please? > > I have two copies of Nan's birth certificate, one dated 22nd November 1909 and the second dated 8th March 2008. I was advised to do this to see if there were any differences, there are not. > > They both say; Reg. Dist. Paddington, 1896, sub-dist. Saint Mary in the County of London. > No.134. Fourth July 1896 at 4 Charlotte Place. > Ivy Alicia, Girl. Father Leonard O'Hara Colson. Mother, Alicia Colson formerly Bernell. > Occupation of Father, Resturant Keeper > Informant, A. Colson Mother 4 Charlotte Place. > Registered Thirtyfirst July 1896. > > Firstly, Mother Alicia was born Alice Pope at Falmouth in 1871 to James & Anna Pope nee Frost. > The family say that this was her first marriage, so where did the name Bernell come from? > > Secondly, Leonard, it was said by the family, that he was killed in WW1 whilst on horseback in France. > I can find no trace of him whatsoever, no birth, no marriage no Army record and no death. However his wife re-married a Henry Yates in West Ham on April 18th 1898 and descibes herself as a widow so this, if correct, rules out the WW1 death. > No.4 Charlotte Place does not appear on the 1891 census and I do dot recognise any names on the 1901 census. > > You may have seen this in one of the monthly publications but that got me no-where. > > I have sent this to the four lists for the following reasons; > Cornwall, where great gran was born. > Devon, where several relations still live. > London, where nan was born. > Essex, where great gran re-married. > > I am fairly certain that my nan' birth certificate is a complete fabrication but just in case someone can help - PLEASE. > > David. > King's Lynn. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >