Chris I noted from some sample pages of Donagan's book online that the numbering of her footnotes restarted for each chapter, so I assume that her bibliography is correspondingly sequenced. If I could ascertain the page(s) referring to the threat to enslave Royalist prisoners, it should be much easier to find the primary sources she consulted for them Thanks again for your help Peter Moll Tortola, BVI formerly living in Mile End, Colchester On 12 March 2013 17:18, Peter Moll <bviabe@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Chris > > Andrew Phillips repeats the claim that Royalist prisoners were sent to > the West Indies as slaves in 'Colchester: a history" (2004), but > Donagan casts doubt on the plan being effected > [snip] > > I expect the passages concerned are fairly short, but such a > distinctive topic might still be indexed; perhaps under "slavery" > > I shall certainly pick up this book in Colchester later this year, if > I have not already bought a copy online. > > Peter Moll > > On 12 March 2013 15:14, Chris Graves <chris@thegraves.co.uk> wrote: >> I don't claim to be the expert on this subject but I do have Barbara >> Donagan's book, which is very much a study of war and civil war, rather than >> its causes. In the last section of the book she provides an account of two >> sieges, Boarstall House (1645-1646) and a much longer account of Colchester >> (1648). She describes the "major outbreaks of the second war were >> geographically dispersed and episodic; it was less a planned and >> co-ordinated war than, as John Kenyon has said, 'a series of scattered >> uprisings'. >> >> Both she and Phil Jones ('The Siege of Colchester 1648') describe the >> chaotic attempts by royalists to foment uprisings in different parts of the >> country, with a series uprising in Kent led by the Earl of Norwich (whom we >> in Colchester know by his lesser title of Lord Goring) which started well, >> and then fizzled out, and then, following a vain attempt to foment an >> uprising in London, found it countered by Fairfax' much smaller but better >> organised army. The royalists fled into Essex, principally to escape >> Fairfax, but fondly believing they would receive support there. >> >> That support wasn't enough to resist Fairfax, and so they ended up at >> Colchester in the belief that Sir Charles Lucas' home there would be a >> sufficient base to hold out, and draw reinforcements from Suffolk and the >> Royalist Navy. >> >> That's the main theme in the books I've read. >> >> That said, Barbara Donagan's bibliography is impressive, with 26 pages of >> largely primary sources. They relate to the whole book, not just the last >> four chapters. >> >> Chris Graves >> Colchester >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Peter Moll >> Sent: 12 March 2013 11:23 >> To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Ess] Siege of Colchester/ >> >> Is there any evidence that a Parliamentary threat before the Colchester >> campaign to enslave captured Royalists, mentioned in several secondary >> resources, was ever carried out? >> >> Barbara Donagan claims to be "drawing extensively on primary sources" >> for *War in England 1642-1649" (2008). She uses the Siege of Colchester as a >> case history in her research into the actual experience of living through >> the War, trying to answer such questions as "What were the rules that were >> supposed to govern conduct in war, and how were they enforced?" >> >> She seems to have drawn on a Royalist source for the Parliamentary threat at >> the outset of the Colchester campaign to "transport and sell them [captured >> royalists] beyond Sea for slaves" and a Parliamentary one for her statement >> that the plan was later dropped (the minutes of the Essex Committee?) >> >> I have read only extracts from Donagan's book,so must apologise for the >> absence of page references, but would be very grateful if someone with >> access to her book would check to see if she quotes her primary sources in >> each case.

I've looked at it again, because I may have misunderstood. I was looking at reprisals against Royalists as the cause of the Second Civil War, rather than as its aftermath. Donagan does deal with this, in particular to say that the allegations of soldier prisoners being sold into slavery was a common accusation, not just about those from Colchester. She cites Mercurius Pragmaticus, Mercurius Elencticus in particular as the sources, also John Rushworth, who was writing in 1680 and may have retailed the Royalist propaganda as fact. However there is a more contemporaneous source for allegations of soldiers sold as slaves to the galleys, to which she does also refer several times and that is Matthew Carter : 'A Most True and Exact Relation of That as Honourable Expedition of Kent, Essex and Colchester '(1650) Er, I bought my copy through abebooks ! Chris Graves, Colchester -----Original Message----- From: Peter Moll [mailto:bviabe@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2013 14:47 To: Chris Graves Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Siege of Colchester/ Chris I noted from some sample pages of Donagan's book online that the numbering of her footnotes restarted for each chapter, so I assume that her bibliography is correspondingly sequenced. If I could ascertain the page(s) referring to the threat to enslave Royalist prisoners, it should be much easier to find the primary sources she consulted for them Thanks again for your help Peter Moll Tortola, BVI formerly living in Mile End, Colchester On 12 March 2013 17:18, Peter Moll <bviabe@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Chris > > Andrew Phillips repeats the claim that Royalist prisoners were sent to > the West Indies as slaves in 'Colchester: a history" (2004), but > Donagan casts doubt on the plan being effected > [snip] > > I expect the passages concerned are fairly short, but such a > distinctive topic might still be indexed; perhaps under "slavery" > > I shall certainly pick up this book in Colchester later this year, if > I have not already bought a copy online. > > Peter Moll > > On 12 March 2013 15:14, Chris Graves <chris@thegraves.co.uk> wrote: >> I don't claim to be the expert on this subject but I do have Barbara >> Donagan's book, which is very much a study of war and civil war, >> rather than its causes. In the last section of the book she provides >> an account of two sieges, Boarstall House (1645-1646) and a much >> longer account of Colchester (1648). She describes the "major >> outbreaks of the second war were geographically dispersed and >> episodic; it was less a planned and co-ordinated war than, as John >> Kenyon has said, 'a series of scattered uprisings'. >> >> Both she and Phil Jones ('The Siege of Colchester 1648') describe the >> chaotic attempts by royalists to foment uprisings in different parts >> of the country, with a series uprising in Kent led by the Earl of >> Norwich (whom we in Colchester know by his lesser title of Lord >> Goring) which started well, and then fizzled out, and then, following >> a vain attempt to foment an uprising in London, found it countered by >> Fairfax' much smaller but better organised army. The royalists fled >> into Essex, principally to escape Fairfax, but fondly believing they would receive support there. >> >> That support wasn't enough to resist Fairfax, and so they ended up at >> Colchester in the belief that Sir Charles Lucas' home there would be >> a sufficient base to hold out, and draw reinforcements from Suffolk >> and the Royalist Navy. >> >> That's the main theme in the books I've read. >> >> That said, Barbara Donagan's bibliography is impressive, with 26 >> pages of largely primary sources. They relate to the whole book, not >> just the last four chapters. >> >> Chris Graves >> Colchester >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Peter Moll >> Sent: 12 March 2013 11:23 >> To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Ess] Siege of Colchester/ >> >> Is there any evidence that a Parliamentary threat before the >> Colchester campaign to enslave captured Royalists, mentioned in >> several secondary resources, was ever carried out? >> >> Barbara Donagan claims to be "drawing extensively on primary sources" >> for *War in England 1642-1649" (2008). She uses the Siege of >> Colchester as a case history in her research into the actual >> experience of living through the War, trying to answer such questions >> as "What were the rules that were supposed to govern conduct in war, and how were they enforced?" >> >> She seems to have drawn on a Royalist source for the Parliamentary >> threat at the outset of the Colchester campaign to "transport and >> sell them [captured royalists] beyond Sea for slaves" and a >> Parliamentary one for her statement that the plan was later dropped >> (the minutes of the Essex Committee?) >> >> I have read only extracts from Donagan's book,so must apologise for >> the absence of page references, but would be very grateful if someone >> with access to her book would check to see if she quotes her primary >> sources in each case.