Hi Mike, Thanks for your reply. My couple aren't from Essex but as you have asked, the details are as follows: Ellen Marmont born 1887 Hastings Alfred Perry - nothing known about him The couple had a baby Alfred Peter in 1914 in Scarborough In 1915 they had James Frederick in Stoke Newington, Middlesex In 1918 they had Helen Beatrice in Stoke Newington In 1921 they had Muriel May in Stoke Newington All four children are named as Perry on their certificates - mother's maiden name named as Marmont. They lived in Stoke Newington until 1939 when they suddenly disappeared from 11 lordship Park, Stoke Newington. After that the trail goes cold. It would be great if somebody could find something about about this couple. Regards Diana

Hi Diana, Looking at the coverage graphs on FreeBMD, the coverage of marriages in 1912 isn't the full 100% for some reason. So, as Ellen & Alfred's first child was born in 1914, maybe they were married in 1912 and it's one of the ones that haven't been transcribed? http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progressM.shtml#1910 I don't know how you would find out - maybe someone else can suggest? Best regards, Jan Beaconsfield, UK _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/

If the event you are looking for has not been transcribed, you will need to search the GRO index itself. You can do this via Ancestry, FindMyPast, The Genealogist or FamilyRelatives for a small fee, or for nothing at FreeBMD itself (though the latter is a much more time-consuming process). But, as many have already pointed out, the GRO index contains errors and omissions, so if you can't find your couple it does not necessarily mean they did not marry. Failure to marry was, however, not at all uncommon. As well as the inconvenience of an existing spouse, the most usual reason for this was pregnancy. If the condition was discovered too late for concealment, the bride may have been too ashamed to present herself for marriage - it was easier to pretend that they were already married. I have a couple in my tree who married a week after their first son was born, but it was just as common (if not more so) to not bother. HTH Caroline -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan R Sent: 30 December 2008 23:52 To: Rootsweb Essex Subject: Re: [Ess] Which subscription? Hi Diana, Looking at the coverage graphs on FreeBMD, the coverage of marriages in 1912 isn't the full 100% for some reason. So, as Ellen & Alfred's first child was born in 1914, maybe they were married in 1912 and it's one of the ones that haven't been transcribed? http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progressM.shtml#1910 I don't know how you would find out - maybe someone else can suggest? Best regards, Jan Beaconsfield, UK _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suspect that the most usual reason for not marrying was cost, pregnancy being the most usual reason to marry, when you look at how many first children were "premature" by some months :-) Cheers Steve Caroline Bradford wrote: > If the event you are looking for has not been transcribed, you will need to > search the GRO index itself. You can do this via Ancestry, FindMyPast, The > Genealogist or FamilyRelatives for a small fee, or for nothing at FreeBMD > itself (though the latter is a much more time-consuming process). > > But, as many have already pointed out, the GRO index contains errors and > omissions, so if you can't find your couple it does not necessarily mean > they did not marry. Failure to marry was, however, not at all uncommon. As > well as the inconvenience of an existing spouse, the most usual reason for > this was pregnancy. If the condition was discovered too late for > concealment, the bride may have been too ashamed to present herself for > marriage - it was easier to pretend that they were already married. I have > a couple in my tree who married a week after their first son was born, but > it was just as common (if not more so) to not bother. > > HTH > > Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jan R > Sent: 30 December 2008 23:52 > To: Rootsweb Essex > Subject: Re: [Ess] Which subscription? > > > Hi Diana, > > Looking at the coverage graphs on FreeBMD, the coverage of marriages > in 1912 isn't the full 100% for some reason. So, as Ellen & Alfred's > first child was born in 1914, maybe they were married in 1912 and it's > one of the ones that haven't been transcribed? > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progressM.shtml#1910 > > I don't know how you would find out - maybe someone else can suggest? > > Best regards, > > > Jan > > Beaconsfield, UK > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Diana I can't see a marriage in any quarter of 1912/13/14 using Ancestry's index page images. The child Alfred was registered Sep quarter 1914. I presume you have all of the children's birth certificates - what was the address, and the father's occupation, in 1914? And his occupation on the later ones? I'm curious because the family were in Stoke Newington after 1914, and stayed there for another twenty five years - so you might wonder what they were doing in Yorkshire. I grew up just round the corner from Lordship Park - genealogy is full of little surprises! Dick Mathews Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for your reply. My couple aren't from Essex but as you have asked, > the details are as follows: > > Ellen Marmont born 1887 Hastings > Alfred Perry - nothing known about him > > The couple had a baby Alfred Peter in 1914 in Scarborough > In 1915 they had James Frederick in Stoke Newington, Middlesex > In 1918 they had Helen Beatrice in Stoke Newington > In 1921 they had Muriel May in Stoke Newington > > All four children are named as Perry on their certificates - mother's maiden > name named as Marmont. > > They lived in Stoke Newington until 1939 when they suddenly disappeared from > 11 lordship Park, Stoke Newington. After that the trail goes cold. > > It would be great if somebody could find something about about this couple. > > Regards > > Diana > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM >