P.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND BISHOP" <raybishop.uk@btopenworld.com> > The New Poor Law of 1834 meant that able bodied poor could only receive > assistance in workhouses. Parishes generally formed unions to build > new workhouses. > The following site is very useful for workhouse information: > http://www.workhouses.org.uk > Hackney Union Workhouse, including its infirmary, is covered at: > http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Hackney/Hackney.shtml > Ray > > > John Tutty <johntutty@unwired.com.au> wrote: Hi All! > > I am looking for some ideas on how to locate the birth, baptism and marriage for William Hyde > > KNAPP. I do have his death certificate which states that he died 13 Aug 1892 at the Infirmary > > Hackney Union aged 50 years. The problem with his age is that it would indicate that he was born > > c 1842 however his third child Arthur Wilson KNAPP was born 24 Aug 1840 Ilford. The death > > certificate is typewritten and so the age of 50 years stands out clearly. I was wondering if the > > person who typed the certificate could not clearly see the writing on the register and that > > maybe the age should have read 80 years this would have then made his birth 1812 which fits in > > quite well. I am also wondering about his death in Infirmary Hackney Union. Would this have been > > the local hospital also what does the word UNION mean? > > Yours in hope > Jenny in Oz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FreeBMD shows Births Dec 1840 (>99%) KNAPP Arthur Wilson Shoreditch 2383 which seems to indicate that your 22.Aug 1840 Ilford information is either wrong or that he was indeed born there but not registered until the December quarter in Shoreditch and a later date and place of birth given to avoid the penalties for late registration - only the certificate will tell you more. It would also seem to point towards the possibility I mentioned earlier of confusion between the two Williams, and that may have the death certificate for Arthur's brother rather than father. you might also like to know about Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%) Eagle Alice Jessie F Sudbury 4a627 Faiers Catherine Sudbury 4a627 Knapp Arthur Wilson Sudbury 4a627 and Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%) Knapp Arthur Wilson 50 Romford 4a178 also Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%) Brown Anne Brentford 3a91 Cogger Sarah Brentford 3a91 CREW William Henry Brentford 3a91 Knapp William Hyde Brentford 3a91 Births Sep 1875 (>99%) Knapp William Hyde Mile End 1c544 Deaths Sep 1892 (>99%) Knapp William Hyde _0 Hackney 1b291 (curiously, no birth for this one??) There are too many plain William KNAPPs to sort out without a lot of census cross-referncing - e.g. 3 Williams married in Hackney/Shoreditcvh 1862-3! This might be William senior, but lots of other possibilities: Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%) Knapp William 66 Shoreditch 1c104 John