Many thanks Caroline and also Kevan. Caroline I had looked at this person and dismissed her because of the name. Now I think you may be right. If the family story is correct she must have moved to Prittlewell after this. Definitely no 'Burgess' in the Kensington house. With regard to the missing pages. There are definitely some on both the sites I go to. I tried going through Prittlewell page by page and found quite a few missing. Different ones on each site. That's why I asked if there was a full 'paper' copy anywhere. Anyway, as she wasn't working in Prittlewell in 1891, I probably will never really know who fathered the child. Just one of those family mysteries. Many thanks Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> To: "'Tony & Maisie Vince'" <avince6@bigpond.com>; "'Essex List'" <Essex-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: RE: [Ess] 1891 Census for Essex > Hi Maisie > > The extra middle name may very well be a clue to the identity of Mabel's > father. Adding a putative father's surname in the Christian name column > was > a common enough practice. Nevertheless, you should not exclude other > possibilities - it could have been a distant family name, or even the name > of someone who had been kind to her during her "trouble". > > I'm a little puzzled by what you mean by "the actual census records". If > you think that Mary Ann has been so horribly mistranscribed as to be > unfindable through either of the online indexes to which you have access > or > that both of those indexes have missed her, you can work your way through > the census images for Prittlewell yourself. Most online providers have > this > facility - let us know if you are unsure how to do it. If you take this > route, make sure you check that the schedule numbers (left most column) > are > continuous from one page to the next. If they are not, it suggests a > missing page. > > The other possibility is that Mary Ann was not in Prittlewell at all. If > this is the case, you are going to have a very tough search on your hands > if > you want to do it "manually"! > > Is your Mary Ann SUTTON the one living with her grandfather Charles in > Orsett in 1881? If so, she also seems to have a third Christian name of > Eliza. Might she therefore be the Eliza SUTTON, born Orsett c1873 who is > a > domestic servant in North Kensington in 1891? Servants quite often had > their names adapted by their masters, and I can find no other evidence of > an > Eliza SUTTON being born or living in Orsett prior to this time. > > Hope this helps > > Caroline > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Maisie Vince >> Sent: 25 August 2008 00:43 >> To: Essex List >> Subject: [Ess] 1891 Census for Essex >> >> I am looking for a Mary Ann Sutton who would have been 17 when the 1891 >> census was taken. I subscribe to two sites where this census is on >> line, and find that they are both different in many respects. I have >> found people on one that are not on the other, and vice versa. One >> site seems to definitely have several pages missing for Prittlewell. >> >> Anyway, Mary Ann was supposed to have been working in this area in >> 1891. In 1893 she gave birth to an illegitimate child who was >> registered as Mabel Dorothy Burgess Sutton. To my mind the Burgess part >> would have been an indication as to who the father was. Family lore has >> it that she was made pregnant by the son of the people who she was >> working for, and that they were the Prittlewell's squire's family. >> >> Mary eventually married Ernest Vince(who was apparently illiterate, but >> better than nothing in those days), when Mabel Dorothy was 3 years old, >> and from then on the child was known as Dorothy Mabel Vince, under >> which name she married. Only to die 2 months later of consumption. >> >> Ernest and Mary Ann are my husband's paternal grandparents, and whilst >> Dorothy really has no bearing on our family genealogy, my curiosity >> needs to know who she was working for, and if there was a Burgess in >> the household. On one site I have found a Robert Burgess, born >> Norwich.Norfolk aged 32, working as a farm servant at Chalkwell Hall, >> along with 2 other female servants - neither of which are remotely like >> Mary Ann. She may have arrived there after the census of curse. He does >> not appear on the other on-line site. >> >> So, is there anyone out there who has access to the actual census >> records that could look up Mary Ann Sutton aged 17, working in >> Prittlewell in 1891? >> >> MTIA >> >> Maisie Vince >> Australia >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- >> admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > >