Hello Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAYMOND BISHOP" <raybishop.uk@btopenworld.com> > The New Poor Law of 1834 meant that able bodied poor could only receive > assistance in workhouses. Parishes generally formed unions to build > new workhouses. > The following site is very useful for workhouse information: > http://www.workhouses.org.uk > Hackney Union Workhouse, including its infirmary, is covered at: > http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Hackney/Hackney.shtml > Ray > > John Tutty <johntutty@unwired.com.au> wrote: Hi All! > > I am looking for some ideas on how to locate the birth, baptism and marriage for William Hyde > > KNAPP. I do have his death certificate which states that he died 13 Aug 1892 at the Infirmary > > Hackney Union aged 50 years. The problem with his age is that it would indicate that he was born > > c 1842 however his third child Arthur Wilson KNAPP was born 24 Aug 1840 Ilford. The death > > certificate is typewritten and so the age of 50 years stands out clearly. I was wondering if the > > person who typed the certificate could not clearly see the writing on the register and that > > maybe the age should have read 80 years this would have then made his birth 1812 which fits in > > quite well. I am also wondering about his death in Infirmary Hackney Union. Would this have been > > the local hospital also what does the word UNION mean? > > Yours in hope > Jenny in Oz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In addition to what Ray has written it is worth noting that by 1892 the workhouse infirmaries were indeed serving as the local hospitals. However, the William KNAPP in the Infirmary appears to be also there as a patient in 1891, a House Decorator age 53, giving a birth of 1838, born Hackney. This would be consonant with William H KNAPP in 1881 in Hackney, age 44, Painter, but this time his birthplace is Kent. [He may have thought he couldn't get treatment in the Infirmary unless he was born in Hackney]. In 1871 this William is in Stepney, a Bricklayer aged 35, born Hawkhurst, Kent. In 1861 he is in Stepney, a Dock labourer, aged 25 born Hawkhurst, with earlier wife Alice. 1n1851 a possibility is in Shoreditch, scholar age 13, born Woolwich Kent. This one has a brother Arthur. This last is in Shoreditch in 1841 age 3, with brother Arthur. In view of the numbers of William & Arthur KNAPPs appearing in the various censuses, much more work is needed to disentangle them. It might be helpful if you were to share with the list what you know about the KNAPPs -certificates, census and so on, and what is certain and what is assumed. [Without more work it is not possible to be certain about the continuity of the above Williams, for example]. Is it possible that you have brothers Arthur and William, both sons of William, and there is some confusion between the two Williams? Cheers John Henley researching (and not finding much time for - but always very glad to hear of any) HENLEY, PARKER, RAPER, [London/Middlesex] DURDEN, PRENTICE [Essex/London/ Woolwich] , SECKER, [Suffolk, London/Middlesex] ROLFE, (O)RAFFERTY, EVANS, PARSONS, SYMONDS [ Berks/Hants/Wilts] HILL [IN Staffs/Cambs/Berks]