Hi All! I am looking for some ideas on how to locate the birth, baptism and marriage for William Hyde KNAPP. I do have his death certificate which states that he died 13 Aug 1892 at the Infirmary Hackney Union aged 50 years. The problem with his age is that it would indicate that he was born c 1842 however his third child Arthur Wilson KNAPP was born 24 Aug 1840 Ilford. The death certificate is typewritten and so the age of 50 years stands out clearly. I was wondering if the person who typed the certificate could not clearly see the writing on the register and that maybe the age should have read 80 years this would have then made his birth 1812 which fits in quite well. I am also wondering about his death in Infirmary Hackney Union. Would this have been the local hospital also what does the word UNION mean? Yours in hope Jenny in Oz

Looking at the 1841/1851/1871 census Wm. Knapp (wife Susan with variants) appears to have been born about 1815/18 - 1841 gives his age as 25 - 1851 as 36 & 1871 as 54 - close enough. I think it must be a typo/transcription error. I checked findmypast and their typed entry is blurred as well. I just hate those typed written certificates - I think given how much money we pay for them they should at the very least be an authentic copy. I have a hand written copy of a marriage certiicate that I obtain many years ago from the Bow Registry Office. When I purchased it I didn't really look at the details too closely, I was just excited to get the cert. That was when I was young and dumb! I just assumed it to be correct. It wasn't until I got home (USA) and started calculating the details I noticed an error. I called the Registry Office and they confirmed their error and sent me a new certificate - a copy of the original, with appologies. The mention of an LDS entry of a burial in Great Ilford - this was a parish of the Mother Church of St Margaret's Barking Essex. The registration district would be Romford. It would not be unusual for a person to die in the Union Hospital and the death registered in that district and then be buried in their home parish. However, I see no indication on the census that your Wm Knapp or son Arthur was connected to Great Ilford/Ilford Essex. Good hunting, Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tutty" <johntutty@unwired.com.au> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [Ess] Birth Baptism Marriage William Hyde KNAPP > Hi All! > > I am looking for some ideas on how to locate the birth, baptism and > marriage for William Hyde KNAPP. I do have his death certificate which > states that he died 13 Aug 1892 at the Infirmary Hackney Union aged 50 > years. The problem with his age is that it would indicate that he was born > c 1842 however his third child Arthur Wilson KNAPP was born 24 Aug 1840 > Ilford. The death certificate is typewritten and so the age of 50 years > stands out clearly. I was wondering if the person who typed the > certificate could not clearly see the writing on the register and that > maybe the age should have read 80 years this would have then made his > birth 1812 which fits in quite well. I am also wondering about his death > in Infirmary Hackney Union. Would this have been the local hospital also > what does the word UNION mean? > > Yours in hope > Jenny in Oz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The New Poor Law of 1834 meant that able bodied poor could only receive assistance in workhouses. Parishes generally formed unions to build new workhouses. The following site is very useful for workhouse information: http://www.workhouses.org.uk Hackney Union Workhouse, including its infirmary, is covered at: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Hackney/Hackney.shtml Ray John Tutty <johntutty@unwired.com.au> wrote: Hi All! I am looking for some ideas on how to locate the birth, baptism and marriage for William Hyde KNAPP. I do have his death certificate which states that he died 13 Aug 1892 at the Infirmary Hackney Union aged 50 years. The problem with his age is that it would indicate that he was born c 1842 however his third child Arthur Wilson KNAPP was born 24 Aug 1840 Ilford. The death certificate is typewritten and so the age of 50 years stands out clearly. I was wondering if the person who typed the certificate could not clearly see the writing on the register and that maybe the age should have read 80 years this would have then made his birth 1812 which fits in quite well. I am also wondering about his death in Infirmary Hackney Union. Would this have been the local hospital also what does the word UNION mean? Yours in hope Jenny in Oz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message