Hi Diana I put my tree on Ancestry a while ago but my membership has lapsed so I don't have access anymore. this doesn't sound like my tree, tho as I only have details of Henry's & Martha's marriages. I am confused by not being able to find any of them on the 1861 census. I would also like to find details of George's birth. Not quite sure how to do this as to date all my searches have been online. I am hoping to spend some time at the Essex Records Office in Chelmsford soon; does anyone have any guidance? I am also confused as to where and when the boundaries are/were drawn between East London and Essex. Some of the areas I'm looking at used to be Essex but are now London and I'm having difficulty working out where the records are kept now. Any enlightenment would be gratefully received. Regards Sally-Ann Greenham, Berkshire _____ From: Dianadiluca@aol.com [mailto:Dianadiluca@aol.com] Sent: 01 July 2008 10:58 To: sally-ann@chairwoman.plus.com Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Hello & a JAY query... Hi Sally Ann, There is a large family tree on Ancestry that has George and Hannah on there plus details of all their children and who they married etc. Have you got this information already? Regards Diana Re: I now have a stumbling block in the above mentioned relative & his family. His name was George James JAY who worked as a bricklayer, son of Henry, a butcher, (date & place of birth/residence unknown - information from George's marriage certificate where he is listed as a witness). I have found no trace of Henry. George is on the 1841 Census in Romford, lodging with his future wife's family, Hannah (HOMSTEAD/HORNSTEAD - there's another story..), they got married in 1841 in St George in the East and in 1851 he is in Auction /Austin Place, Angel Lane, Stratford. I can find no trace of the family in 1861. By 1871 all his children (Roberta, Hornstead, Harriet & Martha) are living with his son, Henry, in Porters Town, Prittlewell. His birthplace on the 1851 census is given as Great Horkesley. I have found two deaths in West Ham, one in 1852 & one in 1869.