Judy, I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records got lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and was working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or work premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a boy sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census record. The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of him in later life. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] Cc: 'Jenny' Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP One source of the death information appears to be here http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 But the footnoted reference is puzzling. In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in the surname. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. Many thanks In hope.....Jenny
or adoption Do you know if his father died before 1891 census? there is an Arthur Wilson KNAPP dying in 1891 Romford Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gilbey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > Judy, > > I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles > Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records > got > lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and > was > working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is > almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or > work > premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed > from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a > boy > sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census > record. > > The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of > him in later life. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Lester > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM > To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] > Cc: 'Jenny' > Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > > One source of the death information appears to be here > http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 > > But the footnoted reference is puzzling. > > In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be > RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey > > Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried > tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What > appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other > children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in > the > surname. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny > > I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles > Valentine > KNAPP..... > > Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex > Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP > 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove > Terrace, > Romford, Ilford. > Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years > > ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, > could > some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. > > Many thanks > > In hope.....Jenny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
marriage in 1895 of Kate Maud KNAPP to either Harry LINCOLN or Charles WACKETT in Romford which should be easyish to resolve at 1901 census Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Maddocks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > or adoption > > Do you know if his father died before 1891 census? there is an Arthur > Wilson KNAPP dying in 1891 Romford > > Philip Maddocks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Gilbey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > > >> Judy, >> >> I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles >> Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records >> got >> lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and >> was >> working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is >> almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or >> work >> premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed >> from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a >> boy >> sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census >> record. >> >> The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of >> him in later life. >> >> Michael >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judy Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM >> To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] >> Cc: 'Jenny' >> Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP >> >> One source of the death information appears to be here >> http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 >> >> But the footnoted reference is puzzling. >> >> In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be >> RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 >> >> HTH >> >> Judy >> London, UK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey >> >> Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried >> tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What >> appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other >> children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in >> the >> surname. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jenny >> >> I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles >> Valentine >> KNAPP..... >> >> Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex >> Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP >> 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove >> Terrace, >> Romford, Ilford. >> Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years >> >> ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, >> could >> some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. >> >> Many thanks >> >> In hope.....Jenny >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message