Can we access these Criminal newspaper articles online? Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Judy Lester <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: > Patsy, > > I'm also sending you offlist a report of the committal proceedings from > the Essex Standard (14 Oct 1842). This refers to the men's occupations, > and it may help you determine whether they are yours. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patsypilgrim > > > I've considered the possibility that I'm chasing the > wrong William Sayers, but I can't find another who fits the bill. Can > sks suggest where to go next? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Caroline, Thanks for the information. Methinks the Probate Service need to move with the times. Kind regards, Robin Poole (Ipswich, Queensland) -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 6:22 PM To: 'Robin & Patricia Poole' ; Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Ess] Ordering Wills Hi Robin Online ordering is not yet possible, unfortunately. The Probate Service have been muttering about bringing it in for some time now, but there is still no sign of it actually happening. So you will need to make a postal application. Details of how to do this can be found at http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/family-history. Hope this helps Caroline Is it possible to order a copy of a Will online? The Will I’m after is dated 1913. Probate was granted in London. Thank you, Robin Poole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have to fill in a form and send off for it. They are not expensive and take about 1-2 weeks to arrive. The form is on http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills

Is it possible to order a copy of a Will online? The Will I’m after is dated 1913. Probate was granted in London. Thank you, Robin Poole

Hi Robin Online ordering is not yet possible, unfortunately. The Probate Service have been muttering about bringing it in for some time now, but there is still no sign of it actually happening. So you will need to make a postal application. Details of how to do this can be found at http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/family-history. Hope this helps Caroline Is it possible to order a copy of a Will online? The Will I’m after is dated 1913. Probate was granted in London. Thank you, Robin Poole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope I may be allowed to post this request. I have recently taken over as voluntary editor of "The 4 Villages Magazine" which is supported by Great Yeldham Parish Council.It is free and delivered to 1000 homes in the area. It comprises of local advertisers, news of local clubs, parish meetings etc. I have the job of gathering all the info and suitable articles and news and competition as well desktop publishing for the printer. I would like to include a series called "History In The 4 Villages" about any thing relating to the 4 villages - families (some names still here after 150 years), local industry, farms and buildings, settlement houses, pubs, transport etc etc As a keen genealogist myself and having benefitted from advice for myself on other lists, I wondered if any of your listers with connections to the 4 villages would like to contribute. Articles can be any length up to about 300 hundred words and even short er items would be of interest.Of course it is unpaid but all contributions will be acknowledged. Thankyou - Jackie Tatam

A Sarah Holmes married Thomas Knight on 10 August 1801. Would anyone know if her parents were Francis Holmes and Elizabeth Teddar, who were married in Manuden on 9 April 1779. Bob McVicar

Hi all Can sks please help me with a marriage for William Burton and Sarah around 1750. I'm sure William was from Sawbridgeworth, but there is no marriage for these two in Herts, or on Boyd, so they may have married in Essex just across the 'border'. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks John

Hi List, I have a birth cert that is not my family The details are Ernest White b Ardleigh 27th Oct 1881 Parents William White and Esther White formerly Simons If anyone is interested in this cert they can contact me Regards Liz

When in need of a directory, Kelly's or otherwise, my first port of call is usually http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ I don't know about 20s/30s but in the 70s/80s (and possibly earlier) Springett's was a photographic shop and photographer's in Maldon. Same family? Cheers Steve On 01/01/2013 19:41, richard wrote: > Richard Myhill > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: richard > To: essex-uk-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:13 PM > Subject: Fw: SPRINGETT. > > > > Richard Myhill > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: SPRINGETT. > > > Does anyone have a local trades directory that would cover Hatfield Peveral for the 1920's - 1930's who could look up details of a local garage / coach company that was run or owned by a family called SPRINGETT. > I am also very interested in Miss Theresa M.Hope who lived in Crix and had connections with Egypt. > Any help would be much appreciated. > Richard Myhill > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would like to learn more about my gr gr gr grandmother, Isabella Knightley, who was from Berden. She was born on 12 October 1802 and married Thomas Knight of Manuden on 11 May 1828. I have reason to believe that she came from a large family with perhaps more than 10 brothers and sisters. Bob McVicar

Just to clarify a few points, my understanding is that the husband's grandmother was not married at the time his father was born, which is why the husband's father was given the name of his maternal grandfather, Webb. The DNA shows that the husband matches a current Stewart from 370 years ago (i.e. a pretty distant relative); a closer relative may eventually join the DNA project. I'd advise looking at Census and land records for the husband's grandmother and great-grand-father to see if a Stewart turns up anywhere. My great-aunt was living with her future husband in a boardinghouse in the 1930 US Census. On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Julie Webb <juliew@webbpacific.com.au>wrote: > My husband never knew who his grandfather was, the birth certificate of his > father has in the place of his father a blank line. I spent at least 10 > years searching by every means possible, paper trails, oral history etc to > find out who this man may be, to no avail. My husband's surname is the > maiden name of his paternal grandmother 'Webb' even though we know that > this > is not his correct surname, both he, his father and his children all bear > this name including me as his wife. >

Kelly's Directory of 1926 does not list tradespeople. From memory as it was the main road to the coast before the new A12, there were two garages, one on the north corner of Station Road and the main road which is now a private home and the other may have been on the southern corner of Maldon Road and the main road just before the two cottages one of which is Blacksmith's Cottages. The directory does though give some information on Crix. "Crix is the residence of Collingwood Hope Esq. C.B.E, K.C., F.R.G.S.,D.L., J.P. Who's Who in Essex states; Hope, Collingwood, born 1858 Bebington, Cheshire son of the late Thomas Arthur Hope, educated at Rugby and Pembroke College, Oxford. Married 1887 Alice Therese daughter of the late R. M. Dale. Recorder of Bolton, 1903-25. Chairman of Quarter Sessions, Chairman Military Appeal Tribunal, Chairman Profiteering Appeal Tribunal, Chairman District Wages Committee, Chairman Divisional Council for S, Mid and E Division of Demobilisation Area Settlement, Chairman of the Agricultural Wages Board, Chairman Appointments Dept [Cambridge], Ministry of Labour, Served two years Essex Territorial Association, Special Constable and Volunteer. Glyn Richard Myhill Does anyone have a local trades directory that would cover Hatfield Peveral for the 1920's - 1930's who could look up details of a local garage / coach company that was run or owned by a family called SPRINGETT. I am also very interested in Miss Theresa M.Hope who lived in Crix and had connections with Egypt. Any help would be much appreciated. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com

My husband's surname is the maiden name of his paternal grandmother 'Webb' even though we know that this is not his correct surname, both he, his father and his children all bear this name including me as his wife. Sorry to contradict, but under UK, USA and most Commonwealth law, it is his correct surname as it was the surname of his mother at the time of his birth. Am I missing something here? After all, it has been a busy Christmas and New Year holiday and perhaps I’ve just lost the plot. If WEBB is the paternal grandmother’s surname how can it be his mother’s surname at the time of his birth? If you know the maiden name of the paternal grandmother then you know the surname name of the man she married, ie the grandfather, unless the child was born prior to their marriage - but then why use the paternal grandmother’s details and not the maternal grandmother’s? Has any research been done with the mother? If born illegitimate wouldn’t the child’s surname have been the mother’s surname or associated family name? However, in family history, often nothing adds up! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Webb Sent: 01 January 2013 05:28 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] DNA Although the DNA discussion is technically 'off topic', may I give an example of it's very important role in Family History. My husband never knew who his grandfather was, the birth certificate of his father has in the place of his father a blank line. I spent at least 10 years searching by every means possible, paper trails, oral history etc to find out who this man may be, to no avail. My husband's surname is the maiden name of his paternal grandmother 'Webb' even though we know that this is not his correct surname, both he, his father and his children all bear this name including me as his wife. I am a great believer in the value of DNA studies no matter how significant they may be at this stage of their scientific development. With this in mind we lodged my husband's DNA sample over 4 years ago using the Webb surname group as a start. Of course, he does not match any of the identified ' Webb' DNA groups and is in the unclassified group. This is OK and we knew that would be the case when we started down this road, it was my hope that somewhere along the line his DNA would match with someone to give us an idea of where we may search, really doing things back to front when it comes to male DNA lineage. About July of last year we had a request from the convener of the Stewart DNA group to become a member and to upgrade from our known markers to what we could afford, this then went to 67 markers and we started to get many matches at this level. Over the course of months there has been much discussion with scientists and surname coordinators of the project, suffice to say my husband is now an accepted member of the Stewart DNA group, having tested at Y111, his DNA connection to the Stewart family comes at about 370 years ago, we have also done SNP tests and indeed Royal Stewart testing which is causing a lot of controversy to say the least (having a Webb surname in the middle of 100 Stewart surnames does not sit well with some!). We have no paper work to prove who his ancestral paternal line may be and we don't know what part of Scotland his ancestors came from, BUT, he now knows he is a member of the Stewart family, this in itself has given him great peace of mind and does indeed show the value of DNA testing, miracles can happen ! Regards Julie Webb (Stewart) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Steve There is nothing to contradict. Of course our surname is 'Webb' under law, you are missing the point entirely, we are not taking about 'legalities' when doing Family Tree DNA studies. The whole object of doing male Y DNA studies is the fact that we assume the surname is passed from father to son, as is the Y chromosome each generation. As a scientist and genealogical anthropologist, the origin of the surname is of great interest to me. We all know that in a perfect world the Y DNA of the male would be handed down with very little mutation for generations and as our historical notes tell us the surname is also handed down, of course things come unstuck when there has been some female 'dalliances' along the way. The genetic explanations are too long to discuss in this forum, suffice to say that my husband's DNA matches with a whole lot of men whose surname is Stewart and when looking at the MRA connection, this came about 370 years ago. Re- DNA testing for genealogy, at no time are inherited biological markers tested or any others that may have a medical implication, the results are taken from parts of the chromosomes that would have no bearing on insurance, this is completely different to having a paternity test DNA or other types of genetic studies. Hope this clarifies the situation, I am happy to discuss genetics with any subscribers privately. Cheers and Happy New year to all Julie Sorry to contradict, but under UK, USA and most Commonwealth law, it is his correct surname as it was the surname of his mother at the time of his birth. And, re DNA testing in the UK, I for one will not be having it done as the life insurance companies are talking about asking "have you ever had a DNA test done" and then wanting the results to see if you have any chance of inherited risk factors, to allow them to increase your premiums. On 01/01/2013 05:27, Julie Webb wrote: > My husband's surname is the > maiden name of his paternal grandmother 'Webb' even though we know > that this is not his correct surname, both he, his father and his > children all bear this name including me as his wife.

Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: richard To: essex-uk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Fw: SPRINGETT. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: SPRINGETT. Does anyone have a local trades directory that would cover Hatfield Peveral for the 1920's - 1930's who could look up details of a local garage / coach company that was run or owned by a family called SPRINGETT. I am also very interested in Miss Theresa M.Hope who lived in Crix and had connections with Egypt. Any help would be much appreciated. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com

Hi list, I am a newbie to Essex list so bear with me, my question is this Does anybody know if there are any records pertaining to the Crompton Arc Works, Chelmsford, my Grandfather worked there between abt 1911 after the census right through till abt 1930 maybe later (apart from a stint in the 1914 -18 war as a commissioned officer - Lieutenant) His name was Albert James Corner-Walker but he may have dropped the Corner, the family story goes that he remarried & had another child to add to the 3 sons that we know about. If some kind soul could do a search firstly for anything on Crompton & any other info ie directoies/phone books, I would be eternally grateful & also willing to do any search I can help with, I have certain registers like Catholic, overseas births, burial, vital & many others, please don't be afraid to ask. Thanks for your time in reading this Pat Walker Patrick Corner-Walker

Despite many years searching in the attempt to push back my Claxton Essex antecedence beyond my great great grandfather's marriage at South Ockendon in 1832 I opted to try the DNA route. I joined the FTDNA Claxton project and had the 32 marker test. To cut a long story short my branch of the Claxton's seems to have its routes firmly planted in the Stoke DNA stream some generations previous. So far there do not appear to be any 'direct' matches that would identify my great great grandfather Thomas Claxton's lineage although there are three matches in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Was it worth it? Without taking the DNA test I would not have identified the Stokes link and as has been said elsewhere with more and more testing then the chances increase over time. A warning though. Some of the 'DNA' trees posted on the various project sites reminded me of the trees that were available on the old IGI site - namely they didn't bear too much scrutinising. Regards Andy Claxton

Although the DNA discussion is technically 'off topic', may I give an example of it's very important role in Family History. My husband never knew who his grandfather was, the birth certificate of his father has in the place of his father a blank line. I spent at least 10 years searching by every means possible, paper trails, oral history etc to find out who this man may be, to no avail. My husband's surname is the maiden name of his paternal grandmother 'Webb' even though we know that this is not his correct surname, both he, his father and his children all bear this name including me as his wife. I am a great believer in the value of DNA studies no matter how significant they may be at this stage of their scientific development. With this in mind we lodged my husband's DNA sample over 4 years ago using the Webb surname group as a start. Of course, he does not match any of the identified ' Webb' DNA groups and is in the unclassified group. This is OK and we knew that would be the case when we started down this road, it was my hope that somewhere along the line his DNA would match with someone to give us an idea of where we may search, really doing things back to front when it comes to male DNA lineage. About July of last year we had a request from the convener of the Stewart DNA group to become a member and to upgrade from our known markers to what we could afford, this then went to 67 markers and we started to get many matches at this level. Over the course of months there has been much discussion with scientists and surname coordinators of the project, suffice to say my husband is now an accepted member of the Stewart DNA group, having tested at Y111, his DNA connection to the Stewart family comes at about 370 years ago, we have also done SNP tests and indeed Royal Stewart testing which is causing a lot of controversy to say the least (having a Webb surname in the middle of 100 Stewart surnames does not sit well with some!). We have no paper work to prove who his ancestral paternal line may be and we don't know what part of Scotland his ancestors came from, BUT, he now knows he is a member of the Stewart family, this in itself has given him great peace of mind and does indeed show the value of DNA testing, miracles can happen ! Regards Julie Webb (Stewart)

I would like to learn more about my gr gr gr gr grandfather, Thomas Knight, who was from Manuden. His wife was named Sarah and they had at least one child, another Thomas, born on 10 August 1805. Sarah's surname may have been Holmes. There is a record of a Thomas Knight marrying a Sarah Holmes on 10 August 1801. The son, Thomas, married Isabella Knightley on 11 May 1828. Bob McVicar