Hi Jenny, I did glean the Marine Deaths from the Family records centre, when it existed, and he was not there. Abraham doesn't appear on the 1841 census either, although he would have been about 16, and could be anywhere. Thanks, Don On 24/02/2013 10:28, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > HI Don, > > If you think there is any possibility that Abraham could have died > abroad, or at sea, or married abroad, then you could try searching the > GRO index of deaths and marriages overseas which you will find on the > findmypast site. > > If he died on board a British registered vessel then his death should > have been reported, by the master of the ship, to the British Consul > at the ship's first port of call after the event of the death, > provided there was a British Consul in that country. Failing that then > the death should have been reported to the Registrar of Shipping at > the port in the Uk where the ship first reached the UK. That > Registrar of Shipping would then pass a copy onto the GRO in the same > way as a District Registrar does a death that happened in England and > Wales. If Abraham died on board a foreign registered vessel then his > death would not normally be registered with the UK authorities, as I > understand it. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > > <<recently joined the list, mainly to find any details about Abraham > NORSTER baptised 28th Nov 1825 at Harwich, son of Abraham NOSTER and > Elizabeth previously WINDER. They were married on 8th March 1825 at > Dovercourt-cum-Harwich. > If possible, I am looking for any marriage or death details for Abraham. > I can find nothing on FREEBMD, so assume that he either died before > 1837, or abroad, and appears not to have married, unless abroad. > With this family NORSTER and NOSTER are interchangeable. > They had another son Samuel Henry NORSTER, but I have details of him.>> > > > >

Marie, Thanks for this, but I'm looking for Abraham born in 1825 or so. Don On 23/02/2013 19:46, marie heaster wrote: > Hi Don, here's what a quick search on Find My Past UK came up with - hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Marie > > First name(s): Abraham Last name: NORSTER Date of burial 24 Sep 1840 Age at death: 73 Calculated year of birth: 1767 Place of burial Portland Dedication: St George County: Dorset Notes: > Portland St George: > > Denomination: Anglican Coverage 1564 - 1897 Number of entries: 4,340 > Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: Somerset & Dorset Family History Society > > --- On Sat, 2/23/13, Norster Family <norster.family@talktalk.net> wrote: > >> From: Norster Family <norster.family@talktalk.net> >> Subject: [Ess] New to List >> To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com >> Received: Saturday, February 23, 2013, 2:07 AM >> Hi, >> >> I've recently joined the list, mainly to find any details >> about Abraham >> NORSTER baptised 28th Nov 1825 at Harwich, son of Abraham >> NOSTER and >> Elizabeth previously WINDER. They were married on 8th March >> 1825 at >> Dovercourt-cum-Harwich. >> >> If possible, I am looking for any marriage or death details >> for Abraham. >> I can find nothing on FREEBMD, so assume that he either died >> before >> 1837, or abroad, and appears not to have married, unless >> abroad. >> >> With this family NORSTER and NOSTER are interchangeable. >> >> They had another son Samuel Henry NORSTER, but I have >> details of him. >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Don Farnham >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >>

Hi Glyn, Thanks for this - I hadn't thought too much about the continent. His brother Samuel died in the Royal Artillery, so maybe my thoughts were not on seafarers. I have tried newspapers, but to no avail. The death you mention in your other mail, I already have. according to the parish record, he was 73, so I have attributed it to another Abraham born about 1767. Most of the NORSTER/NOSTER clan originated from Portland, Dorset, but this is a little enclave in Essex that I am trying to complete. Again, thanks for your help and observations. Don On 23/02/2013 10:38, G Morris wrote: > Hi Don, > > If someone died at sea there would not be a body and therefore a death > certificate could not be made and you would not find a burial. > > There is a church in or near Harwich, Brightlingsea comes to mind, > where they have put tiles on the wall for every person who died at sea > to commemorate them. You could also try the newspapers to see if he is > reported missing. > The problem with Harwich is it is the gateway and always has been for > Europe. He could have migrated to other counties or even countries. > > Glyn > > -----Original Message----- From: Norster Family > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ess] New to List > Hi, > > I've recently joined the list, mainly to find any details about Abraham > NORSTER baptised 28th Nov 1825 at Harwich, son of Abraham NOSTER and > Elizabeth previously WINDER. They were married on 8th March 1825 at > Dovercourt-cum-Harwich. > > If possible, I am looking for any marriage or death details for Abraham. > I can find nothing on FREEBMD, so assume that he either died before > 1837, or abroad, and appears not to have married, unless abroad. > > With this family NORSTER and NOSTER are interchangeable. > > They had another son Samuel Henry NORSTER, but I have details of him. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Don Farnham > >

HI Don, If you think there is any possibility that Abraham could have died abroad, or at sea, or married abroad, then you could try searching the GRO index of deaths and marriages overseas which you will find on the findmypast site. If he died on board a British registered vessel then his death should have been reported, by the master of the ship, to the British Consul at the ship's first port of call after the event of the death, provided there was a British Consul in that country. Failing that then the death should have been reported to the Registrar of Shipping at the port in the Uk where the ship first reached the UK. That Registrar of Shipping would then pass a copy onto the GRO in the same way as a District Registrar does a death that happened in England and Wales. If Abraham died on board a foreign registered vessel then his death would not normally be registered with the UK authorities, as I understand it. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<recently joined the list, mainly to find any details about Abraham NORSTER baptised 28th Nov 1825 at Harwich, son of Abraham NOSTER and Elizabeth previously WINDER. They were married on 8th March 1825 at Dovercourt-cum-Harwich. If possible, I am looking for any marriage or death details for Abraham. I can find nothing on FREEBMD, so assume that he either died before 1837, or abroad, and appears not to have married, unless abroad. With this family NORSTER and NOSTER are interchangeable. They had another son Samuel Henry NORSTER, but I have details of him.>>

In a message dated 24/02/2013 12:53:30 GMT Standard Time, norster.family@talktalk.net writes: Sue, Sorry for confusion, (mostly on my part), but I have the source down as Dovercourt All Saints, fiche D/P 170/1/11. Don On 24/02/2013 11:48, suffolksue wrote: > Can you tell me in which church you found Abrahams baptism as I looked > in Harwich and Dovercourt and I couldn't find it with the date you said. > Sue The D/P 170/1/11. reference is correct but it is St. Nicholas Harwich, page 178. I cannot see a burial in St. Nicholas Harwich or All Saints Dovercourt Jennifer

Jenny How reliable is the source for his death? I wonder if you were able to follow up the suggestions that were made last time you posted on this? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ESSEX-UK/2011-09/131718520 6 HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny I am throwing out the net once more to see if anyone can help with the following Charles Valentine KNAPP Born: 14 Feb 1846 Ilford Essex Died: 1 Jan 1882 Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur Wilson KNAPP and Catherine (Kate) FAIRES I can not find a reference to a death certificate. Do I have to approach some parish for their records. None of my family knew of this little one and I would like to find out about him. The next child was born Great Ilford Essex and he was the last so they didn't move out of Essex. Not sure what the difference is between Great Ilford and just plain Ilford. Look forward to some suggestions Many thanks Jenny in OZ

Hello Jenny. I think you meant his birth year was 1876, not 1846. Great Ilford was the old name for what's now known as Ilford. There was also a Little Ilford which became part of East Ham and then Newham. The London boroughs have been restructured several times. I tried looking for the first name Valentine in the deaths index but there's nothing obvious. I think you could try the burial records of St Mary's church. Someone else will know more about Ilford churches. Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenny" <jennygirl@unwired.com.au> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:34 AM To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ess] Charles Valentine KNAPP > Hello Listers > > I am throwing out the net once more to see if anyone can help with the > following > > Charles Valentine KNAPP > > Born: 14 Feb 1846 Ilford Essex > Died: 1 Jan 1882 Ilford Essex > Parents: Arthur Wilson KNAPP and Catherine (Kate) FAIRES > > I can not find a reference to a death certificate. Do I have to approach > some parish for their records. None of my family knew of this little one > and I would like to find out about him. The next child was born Great > Ilford Essex and he was the last so they didn't move out of Essex. Not > sure what the difference is between Great Ilford and just plain Ilford. > > Look forward to some suggestions > > Many thanks > > Jenny in OZ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers I am throwing out the net once more to see if anyone can help with the following Charles Valentine KNAPP Born: 14 Feb 1846 Ilford Essex Died: 1 Jan 1882 Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur Wilson KNAPP and Catherine (Kate) FAIRES I can not find a reference to a death certificate. Do I have to approach some parish for their records. None of my family knew of this little one and I would like to find out about him. The next child was born Great Ilford Essex and he was the last so they didn't move out of Essex. Not sure what the difference is between Great Ilford and just plain Ilford. Look forward to some suggestions Many thanks Jenny in OZ

Hi, I've recently joined the list, mainly to find any details about Abraham NORSTER baptised 28th Nov 1825 at Harwich, son of Abraham NOSTER and Elizabeth previously WINDER. They were married on 8th March 1825 at Dovercourt-cum-Harwich. If possible, I am looking for any marriage or death details for Abraham. I can find nothing on FREEBMD, so assume that he either died before 1837, or abroad, and appears not to have married, unless abroad. With this family NORSTER and NOSTER are interchangeable. They had another son Samuel Henry NORSTER, but I have details of him. Any help will be appreciated. Don Farnham

Bear in mind that not all couples married. Time was a big factor - they may have only had one day off at Christmas. Some believed in 'jumping over the broomstick.' Glynis Morris AGRA www.researchinessex.co.uk -----Original Message----- I am struggling to find the marriage of Joseph BRIDGE b abt 1730 Onehouse, Suffolk s/o Thomas BRIDGE and Sarah GOLDING, to Hannah SKIPPON bapt 1730 Bradwell, Essex d/o Edward SKIPPON and Hannah ROW. I have found the birth of Joseph listed as both 1715 and 1730? I have the following children for the couple, Joseph Skippon BRIDGE - bapt 17 Nov 1752 St Nicholas, Tillingham, Essex Golden BRIDGE - birth date not known but Ancestry has him as a member of this family. Jerimiah BRIDGE b abt 1757 Tillingham, Essex. So far I cannot find a marriage for the couple in either Essex or Suffolk, has anybody PR indexes for any of the places mentioned? Pat in Lincolnshire.

I am struggling to find the marriage of Joseph BRIDGE b abt 1730 Onehouse, Suffolk s/o Thomas BRIDGE and Sarah GOLDING, to Hannah SKIPPON bapt 1730 Bradwell, Essex d/o Edward SKIPPON and Hannah ROW. I have found the birth of Joseph listed as both 1715 and 1730? I have the following children for the couple, Joseph Skippon BRIDGE - bapt 17 Nov 1752 St Nicholas, Tillingham, Essex Golden BRIDGE - birth date not known but Ancestry has him as a member of this family. Jerimiah BRIDGE b abt 1757 Tillingham, Essex. So far I cannot find a marriage for the couple in either Essex or Suffolk, has anybody PR indexes for any of the places mentioned? Pat in Lincolnshire.

Hello All, I am hoping that someone has access to the Public Records for Great Bentley and can help me I am researching my White line and have hit a brick wall--well actually four William White and Sarah Wellam had as far as I know 11 children the youngest Henry b 1841 being my g-grandfather. I have been able to trace all but 4 of the children William ch 1818 GreatBentley William ch 1824 Great Bentley Robert b abt 1830 Great Bentley Edward ch 1836 Great Bentley Robert is in the 1841 census and Edward is on the 1841 and 1851census But I have not been able to find either of the 2 Williams Hope someone is able to help me Regards Liz Maxwell

Colchester Library has a photographically reduced half-size copy of the Tendring tithe map (1840-ish). As far as I know (I worked at Colchester Library until December 2010) no material has ever been transferred from there to the Record Office in Chelmsford; this is an urban myth. The contents of the former branch record office in Colchester did all move to Chelmsford some years ago; and some duplicate microforms, and the tithe map copies, were given to Colchester Library as they were no longer needed elsewhere. Cottage Lane is certainly given as an address in the Tendring 1841 census return. Tendring was lucky to have an enumerator who bothered to give addresses for every house. Many enumerators didn't bother, especially in small villages. I think Tendring District took its name, in 1974 or thereabouts, from the old Tendring Hundred. And Tendring Hundred took its name from the village where local meetings, or moots, had been held. (I think - historians please feel free to correct this) Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Angelika" <bewstoor@roberts.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:32 PM To: "David Vesey" <veseybrown@sympatico.ca>; <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ess] Tendring > David > > I can't help directly - I have a reprinted Ordnance Survey Map for the > area from 1838, but unfortunately it only lists the names of farms, not > of the little lanes around them. > > I popped into Manningtree Library yesterday to see if they had anything, > but they didn't (it's only a small library). The librarian suggested I > try Colchester, but that they may not have anything either as a lot of > things have been moved to the Essex Records Office in Chelmsford. I'm > happy to go to Colchester Library for you next time I'm heading that way > (Chelmsford is a bit far); if you want me to do that it would be helpful > if you could contact them beforehand to see what they've got. > > Another thing I did yesterday (as it's the sort of thing I like doing!) > - I used the "Search by address" feature on FindMyPast to see who else > was living in Cottage Lane in 1841, and then looked for them, by name, > in 1851 (as Cottage Lane didn't seem to exist then - at least not as a > street name). I found that several of them were living at addresses such > as "31 Cottage" and "37 Cottage". I don't think these would have been an > abbreviation of "Cottage Lane" (as we don't abbreviate street names like > that here - I know you do in Canada, where I've just come back from), so > I'm wondering if, by 1851, they had adopted a system of simply numbering > all the cottages in the village without using street names? > > If you ever find out where your ancestors were living I'll be happy to > go and take a picture for you - I don't live all that far away (and have > a friend in the village). > > BTW, as you may know Tendring is also the name of our local government > district (no idea why they called it after that tiny village), so things > get a bit confusing at times. > > Angelika > > > On 15/02/2013 20:45, David Vesey wrote: >> Does anyone on the List have a copy of a Tithe Map from Tendring circa >> 1841. >> >> I have an ancestor living in "Cottage Lane" ( 1841 Census) and I would >> like to >> try to find/photgraph the location today in Tendring. >> >> David Vesey >> Toronto Canada >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David I can't help directly - I have a reprinted Ordnance Survey Map for the area from 1838, but unfortunately it only lists the names of farms, not of the little lanes around them. I popped into Manningtree Library yesterday to see if they had anything, but they didn't (it's only a small library). The librarian suggested I try Colchester, but that they may not have anything either as a lot of things have been moved to the Essex Records Office in Chelmsford. I'm happy to go to Colchester Library for you next time I'm heading that way (Chelmsford is a bit far); if you want me to do that it would be helpful if you could contact them beforehand to see what they've got. Another thing I did yesterday (as it's the sort of thing I like doing!) - I used the "Search by address" feature on FindMyPast to see who else was living in Cottage Lane in 1841, and then looked for them, by name, in 1851 (as Cottage Lane didn't seem to exist then - at least not as a street name). I found that several of them were living at addresses such as "31 Cottage" and "37 Cottage". I don't think these would have been an abbreviation of "Cottage Lane" (as we don't abbreviate street names like that here - I know you do in Canada, where I've just come back from), so I'm wondering if, by 1851, they had adopted a system of simply numbering all the cottages in the village without using street names? If you ever find out where your ancestors were living I'll be happy to go and take a picture for you - I don't live all that far away (and have a friend in the village). BTW, as you may know Tendring is also the name of our local government district (no idea why they called it after that tiny village), so things get a bit confusing at times. Angelika On 15/02/2013 20:45, David Vesey wrote: > Does anyone on the List have a copy of a Tithe Map from Tendring circa 1841. > > I have an ancestor living in "Cottage Lane" ( 1841 Census) and I would > like to > try to find/photgraph the location today in Tendring. > > David Vesey > Toronto Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers I have a SWORD family who appears around the Thames in the late 1700s. A William SWORDS married a Mary BURTON in 1764 in Gravesend Kent, and had three children Isaac, William and Mary in the late 1770s. William senior was a Providore of Chadwell St Mary Parish. Isaac became a Mariner and married in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk. His son William, also a Mariner moved up to Northumberland. There are a number of SWORD, SAWARD families in Essex, Surrey and London which could fit this family but the best fit seems to be in West Hanningfield. An Abraham SAWARD who was married to a Mary, had number of children in West Hanningfield, commencing in 1733 with an Abraham, 1734 with a William, 1736 with a John, and 1742 with a Jacob and an Isaac. There are earlier SAWARD events in West Hannington from the mid 1600s using the same names. The only possible marriage of an Abraham and a Mary who would fit is a Marriage in 1729 in Gillingham, Kent which seems a long way away so I have discounted it so far. Are there any listers who are after SAWARDS or variant names around West Hanningfield or further south to to Chadwell? Any suggestions appreciated. Jill Forster Sydney, Australia

Does anyone on the List have a copy of a Tithe Map from Tendring circa 1841. I have an ancestor living in "Cottage Lane" ( 1841 Census) and I would like to try to find/photgraph the location today in Tendring. David Vesey Toronto Canada

Found in the Thaxted parish register, D/P 16/1/3, 1724 Thomas son of William and Jane TURNER baptised July 12 "The place of settlement of ye Parents of ye Child above mentioned is at Willingham in ye County of Lincoln" This my help someone. Glynis Glynis Morris AGRA Genealogist and Record Agent gr.morris@btinternet.com

Hi all, While researching my White family I have Eliza White b 1833 Great Bentley.Eliza married Edgar Chapman June q 1852 Tendring Edgar was b abt 1818 Mendelsham. Suffolk I have the couple and their family on the 1861,1871,1881 and 1891 census I have also found 2 criminal records for Edgar Chapman. One in 1852 at Colchesterwhere is was convicted 25th March and the other 1866 Chlmsford 2nd January Is there any way of finding whether this is the same Edgar Chapman.? Are the court records available? Regards Liz Maxwell

I never thanked you properly for the marriage of my George ALDHAM in Thorrington so do so now. But could you give me any more details of the “Susannah Aldham born and buried 1816 in Thorrington, the parish record says she came from Colchester” which you also gave me. I searched the baptisms up to 1830 in Frating and Thorrington and in the surrounding parishes for any more children of George and Susannah and after finding none decided to do the same in Colchester because you mentioned it. After going down through the long list of parishes in SEAX I eventually discovered “Elizabeth daughter of George and Susannah Aldham of St James, father late farmer” on 2 Aug 1821 in St James, but nothing else. My SEAX subscription then expired! Before deciding whether to take out another subscription I’m trying to decide what to look for next and where. Nothing so far helps to find George’s parents. I’m also trying to decide whether “late” farmer means “former” or “deceased”. Any suggestions welcomed. Bruce Peeke From: suffolksue Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:25 PM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com ; Bruce Peeke Subject: Re: [Ess] George ALDHAM 1792-1873 Marriage in St. Mary, Magdalene, Thorrington George Aldham Susannah Bacon Okeley both single and of the parish by licence 20th May, 1812 witnesses John Barrington John Cole --- On Sun, 3/2/13, Bruce Peeke <brucerpeeke@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: From: Bruce Peeke <brucerpeeke@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [Ess] George ALDHAM 1792-1873 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 3 February, 2013, 13:14 George and Susanna ALDHAM had two children baptised in Frating, Essex, in 1817 and 1818. George and Elizabeth Higham ALDHAM had one child baptised in Wickham in 1822, another in Langford in 1826 and three more in Ulting in 1828, 1833 and 1835. I believe George in each case to be the George ALDHAM baptised in Ulting in 1792 but have been unable to find any marriage, either to Susanna or Elizabeth, nor a death for a Susanna ALDHAM between 1818 and 1822. Elizabeth Higham HUMPHREYS was baptised in White Notley in 1797. I do not know Essex so do not know which other parishes might be close to those mentioned in order to search SEAX, which is where I have got what information that I have. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bruce Peeke ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you David, I'm reluctantly coming to the conclusion that I have two different George ALDHAMs. Reluctantly because it is the George who married Susanna and had a daughter Susanna in February 1818 in Frating is the one I'm interested in. All I have for him is his marriage in Thorrington and his and Susanna's two children in Frating. Having downloaded a map from FamilySearch I can see that those two parishes are neighbours whereas Ulting, Wickham Bishop, Langford and Witham form another group with White Notley not far away. Also I don't really know why I thought that Thorrington isn't on SEAX. I've now done some searching there but cannot find any trace of either George or Susanna or any of their families, except for one base daughter ALDHAM in 1791. Thanks for your help. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: David Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:34 PM To: Bruce Peeke ; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Ess] George ALDHAM 1792-1873 Hi Bruce, The Thorrington parish registers are available to view on SEAX via subscription (varying from one day up to one year). The baptism register records: George, son of George and Susanna Aldham was baptised on 23 March 1814, George was a farmer. The burial register records: Susanna Aldham buried 18 April 1816, of Colchester, infant George Aldham buried 28 September 1816 of Thorrington, aged 2 I don't know if the above information is of any help to you. Regards David Many thanks to all who responded to my message. I’m puzzled by ‘Susannah Aldham born and buried 1816 in Thorrington, the parish record says she came from Colchester.’ Is this an infant born and buried in the parish but whose parents came from Colchester? As Thorrington doesn’t seem to be available on SEAX I can’t check it it myself. David has rather spoilt my theory of it being the same George unless someone is able to find another Susanna ALDHAM death between 1818 and 1822 and George (with two small children) was a little economical with the truth in his (second) marriage. Many thanks again, Bruce Peeke ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6076 - Release Date: 02/02/13