As they've sparked so much debate (and some very useful sounding sources to investigate), I thought that I would post a link to the image concerned. I will post a link to its reverse in a separate post as there are names mentioned that someone might find in their tree - though as there's no surnames it will take some detective work. http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/gray1721/MoorEndfromGlad001_zpse29e8b5b.jpg Adrian

not necessarily as the index of the 1923 phone book is quite explicate and does contain individual village names. Cheers Howard -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:48 PM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Dating telegraph poles... Look for the nearest locations around Great Stampford that it does contain. GS will almost certainly have been the same. Cheers Steve On 05/04/2013 14:05, Howard Laver wrote: > The place index in the February 1923 Post Office Telephone directory > Southern division does not contain Great Sampford. > Not sure when the information was complied before publication > Need to try looking for later years until it appears. > > Cheers > Howard > GOONS no 3175 > www.lavertowers.co.uk > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone else having a problem accessing SEAX? I have been trying for hours but cannot get to login after access! Cheers, Diana in OZ

Hi all If there is anyone on the list researching the family of John Choat , you may have lost this chap.. I hope someone will claim him... Last year while on holiday in the Bay of Islands, my partner and I were in several graveyards and cemeteries doing family tree research, when I came across a grave for a John Choat born 1813 Colchester died 1901 Puketona. Just a plain wooden cross. I took a photo of it as I am a Colchester girl born and bred I felt compelled to take a picture of his Cross/grave. This week I accidently came across his name once again.. strange.. this time in NZ papers, where he and some of his sons are mentioned. An obit, a marriage etc... I have put all the newspaper clippings and grave pic onto a word document, so if this is your missing Choat family I am happy to send you all the bits I have found. Regards /\/\onique "An Essex girl in NZ"

On 2013/04/05 17:23, Dudley Diaper wrote: > I think it could be Great Tey rather than Marks Tey. Reaney's Place Names of > Essex (1969) lists Teyen, Teyn and Tayn as early spellings of Tey, and Much > is an old word meaning great or large. 30 years since I lived in Essex. Your knowledge is probably better than mine is or was. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hi, I had a quick look at the Francis Frith Collection and there are photos of Gt Sampford taken in 1955 which show telegraph poles such as you describe so it may not be as early as you think ... Jan

On 05/04/2013 16:58, Jan R wrote: >>> I guarantee that a lot of us were thinking precisely the same thing. > I suspect a lot of us thought exactly the same thing as Anne did, too... > > Regards, > > Jan To get us all back on the same track, but at the almost unavoidable risk of still offending someone or other, the website I mentioned has an amusing explanation for the source of telegraph 'poles' (http://www.telegraphpoleappreciationsociety.org/General/whence-they-came.html): "The Orkney Isles are the source of most of the UK's telegraph poles. Telegraph Pole Farming is a mainstay of the economy in these harsh northern isles. The posts seen here are nearly ready for harvesting. Every autumn, migrant workers from Eastern Europe work night and day picking only the tallest, creosotey poles with the most succulent insulator fruit..." ...such as dates? Lawrence The following rhyme is from the 1930s film classic The Thirty Nine Steps (not the recent remake) - from the scene with two salesmen in a railway carriage - except they didn't go any further than the second line. At least it's Essex-related. There once was a woman from Ongar Who decided to go out with a Conga When asked how'ds it feel To go out with an eel, She said Just like a man, only [.....]

On 05/04/2013 16:23, Dudley Diaper wrote: > I think it could be Great Tey rather than Marks Tey. Reaney's Place Names of > Essex (1969) lists Teyen, Teyn and Tayn as early spellings of Tey, and Much > is an old word meaning great or large. I would agree with this. Lawrence

>> I guarantee that a lot of us were thinking precisely the same thing. I suspect a lot of us thought exactly the same thing as Anne did, too... Regards, Jan ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:46:06 +0100 > From: denscanis@yahoo.co.uk > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Dating telegraph poles... > > > > > > Hi Anne > > Smile - it's Friday! The way the query was worded was asking for that precise reply, and George was the only one brave enough to do it, though I guarantee that a lot of us were thinking precisely the same thing. Life is too short to be serious all the time, and smiling is so good for you. Pour yourself a glass of wine and relaaaaaaaax. > > Take care > > John >

On 2013/04/05 16:11, Jack Beeching wrote: > In the Coggeshall PRs there is a burial recorded 22 Aug 1605 for John > Lawrence of Much Teyne. Can anyone tell me if this is the name of a house? Suspect an alternative variation of Marks Tey. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

I think it could be Great Tey rather than Marks Tey. Reaney's Place Names of Essex (1969) lists Teyen, Teyn and Tayn as early spellings of Tey, and Much is an old word meaning great or large. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Beeching" <jbee18@shaw.ca> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:11 PM To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ess] John Lawrence of Much Teyne > Hello, > > In the Coggeshall PRs there is a burial recorded 22 Aug 1605 for John > Lawrence of Much Teyne. Can anyone tell me if this is the name of a > house? > Thanks, > > Jack > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look for the nearest locations around Great Stampford that it does contain. GS will almost certainly have been the same. Cheers Steve On 05/04/2013 14:05, Howard Laver wrote: > The place index in the February 1923 Post Office Telephone directory > Southern division does not contain Great Sampford. > Not sure when the information was complied before publication > Need to try looking for later years until it appears. > > Cheers > Howard > GOONS no 3175 > www.lavertowers.co.uk > >

Hi Anne Smile - it's Friday! The way the query was worded was asking for that precise reply, and George was the only one brave enough to do it, though I guarantee that a lot of us were thinking precisely the same thing. Life is too short to be serious all the time, and smiling is so good for you. Pour yourself a glass of wine and relaaaaaaaax. Take care John ________________________________ From: Anne Peat <anne@peat.me.uk> To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> Cc: "essex-uk@rootsweb.com Rootsweb" <essex-uk@rootsweb.com>; Essex-UK-Admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 13:28 Subject: Re: [Ess] Dating telegraph poles... George, How is this relevant to the query? Why do we have to put up with insulting sexist rubbish like this on a genealogy mailing list? Anne On 5 Apr 2013, at 13:03, George Carter wrote: > Hi, > I never actually went out with a telegraph pole, but one girl in particular was very tall, she could have been related to a telegraph pole, or had one in her family tree somewhere. I wasn`t bothered but we used to finish up with stiff necks at the end of the night. I`m only five foot six and half. (the half is very important when your my size).  > I also went out with a plank from Liverpool once. I`m not saying they are all like that, I met a really intelligent girl from there and I used to enjoy the craic with the Everton supporters in particular when they came to Manchester. > Hope you manage to sort your problem out. > George Carter in Whaley Bridge > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I couldn't get into the Essex Libraries site yesterday. It may be that all the Essex County Council sites were on the blink. -------------------------------------------------- From: "G Morris" <gr.morris@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:00 PM To: "thalauafu" <dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com>; "Essex Mailing List" <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ess] SEAX > Hi Diane, > > I can log on, pull up the register I want, see the front cover, I then > asked > for another page from the drop down menu and it is still, after five > minutes, not coming up. > > Unless there is an explanation on the Ancestors page I suggest you email > to > ero.enquiry@essex.gov.uk and ask if there is a problem. There usually is a > problem with their server. > > Everyone must complain or this will never get sorted. > Glyn > > -----Original Message----- > > Is anyone else having a problem accessing SEAX? I have been trying for > hours but cannot get to login after access! > Cheers, Diana in OZ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The place index in the February 1923 Post Office Telephone directory Southern division does not contain Great Sampford. Not sure when the information was complied before publication Need to try looking for later years until it appears. Cheers Howard GOONS no 3175 www.lavertowers.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Gray Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:43 AM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Dating telegraph poles... I'm hoping that someone with Essex local history research experience might be able give me some pointers! I know it's not directly genealogy-relevant, but I also know that there's a lot of Essex knowledge here (grovels to Elmo and Dudley). I'm trying to date the photograph on a postcard I've just bought on ebay of Great Sampford. The biggest clue as to the date is the telegraph poles with no cross pieces, as opposed to the ones with two cross pieces and several insulators visible in a card of the same part of the village sent in 1932. It was written on, assuming the date given is correct, Wednesday July 20th, which a perpetual calender tells me occurred in 1921 and 1927. Obviously the cards concerned must pre-date all of these dates - so can anyone give me any clues as to when the telegraph poles might have arrived in Great Sampford first? I considered trade directories, but I only have 1914 and 1933, which doesn't help. Many thanks, Adrian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> > I never actually went out with a telegraph pole, but one girl in > particular was very tall, she could have been related to a telegraph > pole, or had one in her family tree somewhere. I wasn`t bothered but > we used to finish up with stiff necks at the end of the night. I`m > only five foot six and half. (the half is very important when > your my size). < You might try Miranda Hart who's six feet-one. She's also quite posh - see my blog on her at: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/miranda-hart/ -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

George, How is this relevant to the query? Why do we have to put up with insulting sexist rubbish like this on a genealogy mailing list? Anne On 5 Apr 2013, at 13:03, George Carter wrote: > Hi, > I never actually went out with a telegraph pole, but one girl in particular was very tall, she could have been related to a telegraph pole, or had one in her family tree somewhere. I wasn`t bothered but we used to finish up with stiff necks at the end of the night. I`m only five foot six and half. (the half is very important when your my size). > I also went out with a plank from Liverpool once. I`m not saying they are all like that, I met a really intelligent girl from there and I used to enjoy the craic with the Everton supporters in particular when they came to Manchester. > Hope you manage to sort your problem out. > George Carter in Whaley Bridge > >

Hello, just a thought, have you tried the post office engineering dept. I remember my uncle who was one of these bods,had leaflets on almost every subject. eddy in bavaria

Hi, I never actually went out with a telegraph pole, but one girl in particular was very tall, she could have been related to a telegraph pole, or had one in her family tree somewhere. I wasn`t bothered but we used to finish up with stiff necks at the end of the night. I`m only five foot six and half. (the half is very important when your my size).  I also went out with a plank from Liverpool once. I`m not saying they are all like that, I met a really intelligent girl from there and I used to enjoy the craic with the Everton supporters in particular when they came to Manchester. Hope you manage to sort your problem out. George Carter in Whaley Bridge >________________________________ > From: La Greenall <eldeworth@googlemail.com> >To: Adrian Gray <grayadrian3@gmail.com> >Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 11:40 >Subject: Re: [Ess] Dating telegraph poles... > >Hi Adrian. I tried to look at other postcards of Gt Sampford on eBay; >saw one posted 1934 but the only recently sold one I could find with a >pole has the top of it cut off by the top of the postcard! > >My few thoughts, for what they are worth: seek other images of the same >place and places very near by, of different dates, to try to chart the >changes in local poles. It may also be worth seeing if the line of poles >in question is shown on any old, large scale OS maps (at ERO or via eBay >- or maybe oldmaps.com though these may not be of large enough scale). >You could then look for images of other poles on the same route, and >also research the history of the line itself, as well as its termini and >other ports of call. > >Secondly, no insulators would suggest low voltage, i.e. a genuine >telegraph or telephone line, as opposed to mains or other HV >electricity, which would need insulators, or at least bigger insulators. >If I remember right, phone lines are or used to be only 50 volts. > >As you've already thought of, directories might give a clue as top when >people in the village first had telephones. Persevere with that - >adverts for local businesses and prominent buildings (civic, >communications, alcoholic)  and court listings of grander private >residences would be worth seeking out. These could then be plotted on a >local map in order to work out where the lines might have run. The local >historical society, if there is one, may well have such material. Also >try further afield, such as neighbouring villages and the nearest town - >they would all be part of a cabling network which must have grown more >or less linearly from central hub (town) to village and then the next >village in the same direction. Trace the source in other words. > >Another approach, though it would be a long, boring slog, would be to >study telegraph poles on eBay postcards in general, and via Google >Images, noting down whenever an image is datable, such as your 1932/34 >example. Record Office images would be ideal, since they are usually >dated quite reliably, even if only approximately sometimes. > >Then maybe there's a district or county newspaper article on the first >arrival of these contraptions? > >Lastly, maybe this website might help: http://www.telegraphpole.org/ - >but don't look at the "Whence they Came" link! In fact, the whole site >is very odd - they must have got electrocuted trying to collect insulators. > >Cheers, >Lawrence > > >On 05/04/2013 09:43, Adrian Gray wrote: >> I'm hoping that someone with Essex local history research experience might >> be able give me some pointers! I know it's not directly genealogy-relevant, >> but I also know that there's a lot of Essex knowledge here (grovels to Elmo >> and Dudley). >> >> I'm trying to date the photograph on a postcard I've just bought on ebay of >> Great Sampford. The biggest clue as to the date is the telegraph poles with >> no cross pieces, as opposed to the ones with two cross pieces and several >> insulators visible in a card of the same part of the village sent in 1932. >> It was written on, assuming the date given is correct, Wednesday July 20th, >> which a perpetual calender tells me occurred in 1921 and 1927. >> >> Obviously the cards concerned must pre-date all of these dates - so can >> anyone give me any clues as to when the telegraph poles might have arrived >> in Great Sampford first? I considered trade directories, but I only have >> 1914 and 1933, which doesn't help. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Adrian >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Many thanks to all who have replied. Great Tey makes perfect sense. Jack