Not working for me either, get page not displayed.  :-(   --- On Sun, 28/4/13, Dennis Galley <galleyd@bmts.com> wrote: From: Dennis Galley <galleyd@bmts.com> Subject: [Ess] SEAX To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 28 April, 2013, 12:01 Does anyone know if the Essex Record Offices (SEAX) is offline this weekend? I have tried all the internet addresses, including those for Essex County Council, but I can't get in. Dennis Galley Port Elgin, Ontario Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if the Essex Record Offices (SEAX) is offline this weekend? I have tried all the internet addresses, including those for Essex County Council, but I can't get in. Dennis Galley Port Elgin, Ontario Canada

Thank you to everybody who responded to my enquiry. No Welsh connects so far, but still looking. I am trying all of your idea's and suggestions, which have given lots to follow through. Thank your for your help. Pat in Lincolnshire

Can anyone on the List kindly put me in touch with someone they might know who has a Reader's Card and could go to the British Library for me to get copies of certain material. I do havethe BL ref numbers for the material involved. Pls contact me direct. David Vesey Toronto Canada

Hello I'm looking for info on an Edward SMITH who died 1794 in Oakley, Essex. I found his obituary in a newspaper which said he was the father of Rev. Thomas SMITH of Bedford, and I think he could be the father of my Rev. Thomas SMITH, the pastor of the Mill St Howard Chapel in Bedford. I would like to try and confirm this. Anyone ever come across this Edward SMITH during their research. Thank you. Trish LEWIS Nova Scotia Canada

On 23/04/2013 09:01, "Adrian Gray" <grayadrian3@gmail.com> wrote: > Depending on the size of the battery, I suspect that your F-i-L might have > been under canvas. Thanks .. agree I've sent an email to the Manningtree website asking for help R

While I can't help directly with the case in question, I thought the following anecdote would be instructive. One of the racing stables at Lambourn (Berkshire) has a plaque to the memory of a US airborne battalion that were stationed there prior to D-Day. We were told that he officers were billetted in the house, the NCOs were in the Head Lad's cottage*, and the Other Ranks were eight to a stable. Depending on the size of the battery, I suspect that your F-i-L might have been under canvas. Hope that helps, Adrian *OK, thinking back, not sure whose cottage it was, but there was a cottage in the stables that the NCOs got. Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:27:18 +0100 > Subject: [Ess] Mistley 1944 HIRD at Brunswick House > Can anyone help with information about Brunswick House, Mistley? > > We are looking at the detailed preparations for D-Day 1944. Father in law > was BQMS Clarrie HIRD with 48 Battery, 4th Durham Survey Regiment RA and > appears to be at or near Brunswick House. > > The Regimental war diaries show that 48 Battery was at 'Mistley' from early > January 1944 and there are a couple of cases where church services are held > at Brunswick House. > > So ... was the battery billeted in Brunswick House or under canvas in the > grounds? > > > Mistley was so significant to the newly weds (BQMS Hird and WREN Main > married on 27 Dec 1943) that their friends gave them a sign for their new > home saying that this was what it 'had to be called'. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Robin and Margaret > >

Are there any Welsh connections? I believe that Rio was the destination of many Welsh miners from England and Wales. -----Original Message----- From: La Greenall I can't offer much help, but since you've had no other replies on the list, from my own research, it does seem that NY was a stopping-off point for those on longer journeys, possibly involving a change of vessel as well. Many of my German maternal granny's family, by the name of Rosswaag, emigrated to the US and Canada in the 1920s and 30s, but one settled at Caracas, Venezuela, around the 1890s. He and one or two near relatives appear more than once in the Ellis Island records; it seems possible that a brother or two who lived in NYC or NY state paid occasional business trips to their Caracas relative, sailing via Ellis Island. They printed and published books and he published postcards of Caracas. Back in Germany, they had all been jewellers. It's not much, but I hope it gives you some encouragement. There must be a reason why your Emma chose Brazil. Try books on English social history and emigration c.1906, books looking at which countries Brits emigrated to and why, and also possibly Brazilian books looking at their country's immigrants. Maybe the Brazilian equivalent of the TNA website might have some basic info online to start you off. Perhaps your Emma saw an advert in a UK newspaper offering new starts in Brazil, maybe a one-way ticket there was on special offer at the time, or maybe she already had relatives or contacts out there who arranged accommodation etc. for her in advance. Her two adult sons following her later seems curious - one would think that at least one of them would have gone first to make sure all was okay out there. Maybe they went to try and bring her back instead? Have you checked their UK backgrounds, marriages, offspring, census entries etc.? Lawrence On 20/04/2013 22:09, Pat Cook wrote: > I am trying to research a family that split in half, the wife Emma ROBERTS > nee WOOD sells the contents of the house in a well organised house > contents sale on 12 July 1906 and apparently moves to Rio de Janeiro with > some of the grown up children, > > Emma was married to Thomas George ROBERTS 4 Nov 1866 St Simon Zelotes, > Bethnel Green, he was a Cheesemonger in 1841. He was the son of John > ROBERTS and Eliza nee MANNING. > > I have been searchings ships passenger lists and cannot find Emma, but > have turned up two possible sons, John H Roberts, 40, b abt 1866, > departed 17 July 1906 from Liverpool to New York on the Carmania. > > The other son is George J ROBERTS b abt 1871, 35 from Liverpool to New > York on Etruria departed 1 Dec 1907. > > Would they get the same ship to Rio, are they stopping of at New York? > Goodness knows why Emma decided to go to Rio? > > I have used the shipping lists before, but any pointers about how to try > and trace this families massive journey to Rio would be appreciated. > > Thomas and Emma had 10 children, the parents and 8 children appear on 1891 > census at 13 Raymond Road, St Stephen, West Ham, London RG12/1329. > Previous census returns they have been at Leytonstone and West Home, both > Essex I believe. Several children were born in Plaistow, Essex. > > I have a catalogue for the house sale, they had 7 bedrooms, and the items > for sale run to 9 pages. Presume the money they raised would pay fares, > but so far I cannot find the family travelling together. > > Thomas is found in1911 at 26 Roman Road East Ham, lodging with the SNEATH > family, George is 70 at this time. > > Pat in Lincolnshire

I can't offer much help, but since you've had no other replies on the list, from my own research, it does seem that NY was a stopping-off point for those on longer journeys, possibly involving a change of vessel as well. Many of my German maternal granny's family, by the name of Rosswaag, emigrated to the US and Canada in the 1920s and 30s, but one settled at Caracas, Venezuela, around the 1890s. He and one or two near relatives appear more than once in the Ellis Island records; it seems possible that a brother or two who lived in NYC or NY state paid occasional business trips to their Caracas relative, sailing via Ellis Island. They printed and published books and he published postcards of Caracas. Back in Germany, they had all been jewellers. It's not much, but I hope it gives you some encouragement. There must be a reason why your Emma chose Brazil. Try books on English social history and emigration c.1906, books looking at which countries Brits emigrated to and why, and also possibly Brazilian books looking at their country's immigrants. Maybe the Brazilian equivalent of the TNA website might have some basic info online to start you off. Perhaps your Emma saw an advert in a UK newspaper offering new starts in Brazil, maybe a one-way ticket there was on special offer at the time, or maybe she already had relatives or contacts out there who arranged accommodation etc. for her in advance. Her two adult sons following her later seems curious - one would think that at least one of them would have gone first to make sure all was okay out there. Maybe they went to try and bring her back instead? Have you checked their UK backgrounds, marriages, offspring, census entries etc.? Lawrence On 20/04/2013 22:09, Pat Cook wrote: > I am trying to research a family that split in half, the wife Emma ROBERTS nee WOOD sells the contents of the house in a well organised house contents sale on 12 July 1906 and apparently moves to Rio de Janeiro with some of the grown up children, > > Emma was married to Thomas George ROBERTS 4 Nov 1866 St Simon Zelotes, Bethnel Green, he was a Cheesemonger in 1841. He was the son of John ROBERTS and Eliza nee MANNING. > > I have been searchings ships passenger lists and cannot find Emma, but have turned up two possible sons, John H Roberts, 40, b abt 1866, departed 17 July 1906 from Liverpool to New York on the Carmania. > > The other son is George J ROBERTS b abt 1871, 35 from Liverpool to New York on Etruria departed 1 Dec 1907. > > Would they get the same ship to Rio, are they stopping of at New York? Goodness knows why Emma decided to go to Rio? > > I have used the shipping lists before, but any pointers about how to try and trace this families massive journey to Rio would be appreciated. > > Thomas and Emma had 10 children, the parents and 8 children appear on 1891 census at 13 Raymond Road, St Stephen, West Ham, London RG12/1329. Previous census returns they have been at Leytonstone and West Home, both Essex I believe. Several children were born in Plaistow, Essex. > > I have a catalogue for the house sale, they had 7 bedrooms, and the items for sale run to 9 pages. Presume the money they raised would pay fares, but so far I cannot find the family travelling together. > > Thomas is found in1911 at 26 Roman Road East Ham, lodging with the SNEATH family, George is 70 at this time. > > Pat in Lincolnshire > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Michael I'd seen that Brunswick House was a 19Century School and then a Hospital but not picked up the detail in that entry. Looks like the church services would have been in the hospital chapel .. so more likely the troops were under canvas nearby. R

Can anyone help with information about Brunswick House, Mistley? We are looking at the detailed preparations for D-Day 1944. Father in law was BQMS Clarrie HIRD with 48 Battery, 4th Durham Survey Regiment RA and appears to be at or near Brunswick House. The Regimental war diaries show that 48 Battery was at 'Mistley' from early January 1944 and there are a couple of cases where church services are held at Brunswick House. So ... was the battery billeted in Brunswick House or under canvas in the grounds? Mistley was so significant to the newly weds (BQMS Hird and WREN Main married on 27 Dec 1943) that their friends gave them a sign for their new home saying that this was what it 'had to be called'. Thanks in advance Robin and Margaret

* * *I've received the following message via the Recording Uttlesford History recorders list (and gmail have just changed their interface, and I can't work out how to unbold this text...) * *If anyone has the time to help, I have the people concerned's email address - drop me a line. * *Thanks, Adrian * I hope to see some evidence of where Daniel Fordham came from, and ideally something physical e.g. headstones of his ancestors. But I'd also be thrilled to find any of Daniel's relatives, including of course those still living - he had 7 siblings, some of whom may have stayed on on the area and left descendants. So if you were to came across anyone or thing of that nature, I'd of course be thrilled and very grateful, but of course please don't go to too much trouble. Cheers Barry PS. More (unconfirmed) details about Daniel in case it helps: born 26 Feb 1843 resided at Hadstock: 1851, 1861 came to Australia in about 1868 father: Samuel Fordham, born ~1800; bricklayer mother: Mary Lofts, born 26 Oct 1808 (father William Lofts 1785–1833; mother Sarah Woollard 1787–1870) brothers & sisters: James Fordham, born 1831 William Lofts Fordham, born 1833 (wife, 8 children) Sarah Fordham, born 1835 Samuel Fordham, born 1837 Emma Fordham, born 1840 Mary Fordham, born ~1848 Elizabeth Cutter, born ~1850. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Barry Fordham <barrygf@bigpond.net.au> We're wondering if you might be able to make some suggestions for a very brief visit to "Fordham country" we are planning for 25 - 26 May this year. By "Fordham country" we have in mind the three towns/villages of Fordham: in Sussex, Cambridgeshire, and Norfolk. We hope at least to step foot in these the most likely places corresponding to the ancestral haunts of Barry's forebears. Apart from Fordham placenames, we are also very keen to visit Hadstock, the town where Barry's great grandfather was born in 1843 (according apparently to local records there) or 1848 (according to some Australian records). Daniel was the son of Samuel and Mary (nee Lofts). Samuel was a bricklayer. Daniel came to Australia in about 1868. We've noticed a genealogy on the web prepared by a Brisbane (Australia) resident, Kylie McDermott, who seems to have acquired very useful knowledge from afar. Her family info includes Daniel. However, we haven't yet managed to talk to her. Might you have suggestions for whom to contact, soon and well ahead of our visit, to ascertain where we might be able to see records of Daniel and any of his family, including ancestors or descendants? For example, some evidence suggests that St Botolph's Church, Hadstock might have some relevant records, maybe even headstones of our relatives. Maybe other towns will also have records. We're keen to contact those we wish to visit ahead of time, as we can only spare two short days in the area. We will be driving up from London and then on to the Cotswolds. We plan to visit each Fordham and Hadstock, from south to north; Newmarket looks like being the most viable overnight stay for us. We hope you can find the opportunity to respond, Barry and Lois ___________ Barry Fordham

I am trying to find a picture of George FRENCH, or any of his family He was born in Tortola in 1817, the son of Mark Dyer FRENCH, a barrister. George FRENCH was awarded a B.A at Cambridge in 1839,and an MA in 1842. He was called to the Bar in 1844. and was listed as a barrister on the 1861 Brentwood census: Household Members: George French 44 (Head) Emma D French 34 .(Spouse) Mary A French 15 George M French 14 Robert W French 12 Edward H French 10 Alfred W French 8 Matilda Hamphrey 27 Eliza Coxhead 17 He died in Japan in 1881 and was buried there *http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104179135*<http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104179135> I can offer a considerable amount of information on George FRENCH to anyone interested in ths family? Peter Moll Tortola, BVI

I am trying to research a family that split in half, the wife Emma ROBERTS nee WOOD sells the contents of the house in a well organised house contents sale on 12 July 1906 and apparently moves to Rio de Janeiro with some of the grown up children, Emma was married to Thomas George ROBERTS 4 Nov 1866 St Simon Zelotes, Bethnel Green, he was a Cheesemonger in 1841. He was the son of John ROBERTS and Eliza nee MANNING. I have been searchings ships passenger lists and cannot find Emma, but have turned up  two possible sons, John H Roberts, 40, b abt 1866, departed 17 July 1906 from Liverpool to New York on the Carmania. The other son is George J ROBERTS b abt 1871, 35 from Liverpool to New York on Etruria departed 1 Dec 1907. Would they get the same ship to Rio, are they stopping of at New York?  Goodness knows why Emma decided to go to Rio? I have used the shipping lists before, but any pointers about how to try and trace this families massive journey to Rio would be appreciated. Thomas and Emma had 10 children, the parents and 8 children appear on 1891 census at 13 Raymond Road, St Stephen, West Ham, London RG12/1329. Previous census returns they have been at Leytonstone and West Home, both Essex I believe. Several children were born in Plaistow, Essex. I have a catalogue for the house sale, they had 7 bedrooms, and the items for sale run to 9 pages. Presume the money they raised would pay fares, but so far I cannot find the family travelling together. Thomas is found in1911 at 26 Roman Road East Ham, lodging with the SNEATH family, George is 70 at this time. Pat in Lincolnshire

For a tiny bit of early history, from Reaney's Place Names of Essex: "Cranham: Bells ... probably to be associated with... Robert Bell (t. John, Hornchurch Priory Documents, 1923)" In other words, Bells was owned by Robert Bell or his relatives in the time of King John, according to a publication of 1923. -------------------------------------------------- From: "dpkms20042000" <dpkms20042000@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:49 PM To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ess] Bell Farm CRANHAM > Hi there, does anyone know anything about the above farm please, as I > think that our flats were built on part of it? > > Thanks very much. > > Diane > > Sent from my iPhone > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi there, does anyone know anything about the above farm please, as I think that our flats were built on part of it? Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPhone

William Sorrell was born abt 1801 Deptford Kent (from census) Wife Fanny/Francis born abt 1808 Little Stambridge, Essex (from census) Children William baptised 10 July 1842 Eastwood Essex (from parish registers SEAX) Samuel Offord baptised 26 May 1844 Eastwood Essex (from parish registers SEAX) Fanny/Francis baptised 30 May 1847 Eastwood Essex (from parish registers SEAX) she married Harry Horace Witham ( I have the rest for her) Who and where did William SORRELL b 1801 marry I have looked at Little Stamford, and Eastwood Registers and not found a marriage. any ideas just to complicate the picture I have Elizabeth Susanna Witham, sister of Harry Horace Witham, giving birth to Charles James Sorrell 1873 Father Charles Sorrell born 1848 but not married she continues to live with parents and uses Witham name, who was Charles Sorrell was he connected to William Sorrell? Cheers Jenny I DON"T do mornings!!!! Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jen_in_brisbane/ Family Tree http://minerstree.tribalpages.com/ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6243 - Release Date: 04/13/13

Dear David, Could that grave marker for James MOSS buried in Oct 1859 in Gt Stambridge possibly give his age as 53 rather than 58? A rather worn 3 could have been read as 8. Then you would be searching for James MOSS born 1806 (or maybe 1805) in Hatfield - though it might not be Peverel! You may have some other information on that. It could just be Hatfield Broad Oak or Hatfield Heath though I agree Hatfield Peverel is nearer and therefore likely. I have just looked for the family in 1841,1851 and 1861. James was a farmer in Rochford in 1851 and 1841. Maria his wife continues to farm at High House Gt Stambridge as a widow of 40 with son James 17 and 6 younger children. In 1841 the eldest child was Maria aged 2 and her mother was 21. So the marriage could well have been after 1837 and so findable in P.Rs somewhere - probably Rochford. James' age was given as 35 in 1841 (and the enumerator was kind to us and gave all the ages exactly it seems, contrary to their instructions that year - supposed to round down to nearest 5 years above 15). In 1851 James' age is given as 44 - so this all seems to tie up quite well with my suggestion above. I do hope you manage to find the birth in PRs and hence James' parents. Carole Woolley -----Original Message----- From: david moss [mailto:mossdavid1@gmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2013 02:06 To: Essex mailing list Subject: [Ess] Moss of Hatfield Peverel Here I am, back again after a long time and still with much the same problem. James Moss death certificate says he died 20th October 1859 registration district Rochford, aged 58 years (confirmed on his grave marker in Great Stambridge Parish churchyard) therefore birth date would be 1801. Census 1851 says he was born in Hatfield (probably Peverel). After looking everywhere I can think of, I still cannot find his birth certificate so I can get his parents and make some progress. So frustrating! Please, can anyone help? I have received a lot of information from mailing listers in the past, but I believe I must have his birth certificate in order to not continue on guesswork. Anyone with any advice?

Hi Glenys My Coopers of J Cooper & Son Undertakers, were part of the Exclusive Brethren. I think they used to meet in a building in Linton Rd. Some of them left the church many years ago. My great grandfather George Cooper b 1847 migrated to Brisbane Australia in 1887 and then sponsored his nephew George Mills Cooper in 1911. Some of George's family members got out when they became so restrictive and forbid mixing with non-believers. However, George Mills Cooper has many descendents, mostly in Queensland, who are still members. A few younger ones have left the church. The Coopers lived in Axe St part of which was a carpark when I visited in 2004. Joseph Cooper owned many houses in Axe St. Regards Pam in Brisbane Australia

On 13/04/2013 3:53 PM, Dick Mathews wrote: > James’ second marriage was witnessed by Benjamin and Sarah Moss, who > were farming at Barstable Hall in 1841; Benjamin was baptized at Gt > Totham on 18 > Nov 1804. His parents were James Moss and Martha Nunn, who were married > 6 Oct 1803 at Gt Totham; both had been married before. The father James had > (probably) previously married Sarah Chad on 7 May 1799 at Hatfield > Peverel, and it seemed reasonable to assume that the James who died in > 1859 was their > son, although he wasn’t baptized there. Is it possible that James (b. about 1801) was the son of Martha NUNN, born prior to the marriage, and baptized James NUNN? Is there a burial for Sarah MOSS (previously CHAD)? Or the baptisms of any children to James & Sarah MOSS? Could it be that James, jnr. was the son of Martha NUNN and her previous husband, but knew no other father but James MOSS snr., and took his surname? Kind regards, John Henley