I have recently discovered that Essex libraries offer access to Ancestry *worldwide* free from all their libraries. When you book a pc, state that it is for genealogy and they will allow you to use the pc for more than the usual 1 hour. Don't know whether people have complained in the past or whether they just appreciate how time-consuming family research can be. Either way, I'm not complaining ;-) In theory, once I find information and images, I can e-mail them back home for future use. I cannot vouch for this as I haven't had the opportunity (a free morning!) to use the system yet. I would be interested if anyone *has* been able to send info back home from an Essex library pc. Hope this helps someone with their research Heather

Joseph Henry was apparently 11 years old when baptised in Ponders End Independent church on 16 May 1907 – this detail is from film No. 0596989 seen at the local FHC. The good minister John Knight also noted Joseph’s date of birth on his record - 29 March 1796 - but where this information came from is not recorded. Throughout his life Joseph stated that he was born in Enfield, at that time in Middlesex – I have all census records from 1841 to 1881. He died aged 87 on 23 May 1883 in Leyton, Essex – I have that record too and also a note of his marriage on 1 Jan 1815 to Phebe Nash at St. Margaret’s Westminster. Shortly after the marriage they moved to Essex where I have records of the birth of five children between 1816 and 1823 in Wansted, but by 1841 they were in Layton, where Joseph lived for the remainder of his life. He was a farrier (shoeing blacksmith). So I know much about my 3x gr. grandfather Joseph Henry Bosworth – but neither the names nor other details of his parents. My family tree is stuck at 1796 and has been for over two years. Could one of you more experienced researchers out there please help me to go further back in time? Thank you in advance Mike in Denmark

Tony try Blindell or Blindel , Blimdel or Blimdell. For lots more try FreeBMD <Search> <Advanced Facility> <Names> This works with a database of every Surname or Forename ever used in BMD from 1837 to c1930 so these are same names which cause transcription problems in all similar databases. I use it once a week to successfully assist with censuses (though I am also a FreeBMD transcriber). Of course many transcribers of censuses were people in India where English was their second language and were not really good transcribers in English and they invented even weirder names of people and places. Cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Pottrell" <editor@pyroport.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: [Ess] Surname Suggestions? > Hi all, > > Wondered if someone could suggest a possible surname for me. > > In the Chrishall PR's it lists a marriage between Henry Pottrell (my 6x > Gt Grandfather) and Elizabeth Blixdell in 1749. I believe that > Elizabeth was born in Chrishall in 1728 and passed away in October of > 1806 in Chrishall. > > I can find no trace of that surname anywhere else and I can't think of a > more common variant. I've tried Blicksdell and Blixdle but no joy. > > Any suggestions? :) > > Tony > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

P.S. ELAN also provides other services (e.g. some electronic biographical reference works published by the Oxford University Press). It is accessible through http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/vip8/ecc/ECCWebsite/dis/cha.jsp?channelOid=15524 <http://127.0.0.1:4664/redir?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eessexcc%2Egov%2Euk%2Fvip8%2Fecc%2FECCWebsite%2Fdis%2Fcha%2Ejsp%3FchannelOid%3D15524&src=7&s=_i7LNevWTtWzrFGBFOmucYp-idE> Peter -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:34:11 -0400 From: Spring <spring@surfbvi.com> To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com CC: Tony Pottrell <editor@pyroport.com> References: <487275CE.5000509@pyroport.com> <01d701c8e06f$781b0ed0$0202a8c0@NEWCOMP> <000601c8e074$7df474e0$79dd5ea0$@com> Hi all, I regret to say that I have had to stay mum throughout several really interesting threads recently. Seeing my location, however, I could not resist responding to this one. Anyone who belongs to a branch of the (UK) Essex County Library can use their ELAN (Essex Libraries Automated Network) number to search its catalogue for books in stock and their availability. A search by ISBN 0950423203 alone, reveals that the library system holds at least 8 copies of "Some Elmdon Families" all except one shelved at E.ELM.1: Chelmsford: Local Studies library - 1 "Not available for loan" (i.e.for reading in the library) Chelmsford, Goldlay Gardens branch: 1 Lending (not on loan) Colchester: Local studies library 1 "Not available for loan" + Lending library 1 (not on loan) Grays: Reference library 1 "Not available for loan" Saffron Walden: Lending library 2 (not on loan) + Stack 1 "Not available for loan" (shelved in the CELLAR!) All of the 4 lending copies appear to be currently in their libraries and obtainable through the interloan system. Best wishes Peter Moll Tortola British Virgin Islands (one month into the hurricane season) Kevan wrote 07 July 2008: > Try Google books, it also has some useful and complete old books online, > Best > Kevan > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock > Sent: 07 July 2008 21:25 > To: Tony Pottrell; essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > Hi Tony > > I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that > couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to > register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will > contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't > know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. > > If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously > had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan system > if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a copy. > > Good luck > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Pottrell > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM > Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon > Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the > ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) > > Thanks :) > > Tony

Hi all, I regret to say that I have had to stay mum throughout several really interesting threads recently. Seeing my location, however, I could not resist responding to this one. Anyone who belongs to a branch of the (UK) Essex County Library can use their ELAN (Essex Libraries Automated Network) number to search its catalogue for books in stock and their availability. A search by ISBN 0950423203 alone, reveals that the library system holds at least 8 copies of "Some Elmdon Families" all except one shelved at E.ELM.1: Chelmsford: Local Studies library - 1 "Not available for loan" (i.e.for reading in the library) Chelmsford, Goldlay Gardens branch: 1 Lending (not on loan) Colchester: Local studies library 1 "Not available for loan" + Lending library 1 (not on loan) Grays: Reference library 1 "Not available for loan" Saffron Walden: Lending library 2 (not on loan) + Stack 1 "Not available for loan" (shelved in the CELLAR!) All of the 4 lending copies appear to be currently in their libraries and obtainable through the interloan system. Best wishes Peter Moll Tortola British Virgin Islands (one month into the hurricane season) Kevan wrote 07 July 2008: > Try Google books, it also has some useful and complete old books online, > Best > Kevan > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock > Sent: 07 July 2008 21:25 > To: Tony Pottrell; essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > Hi Tony > > I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that > couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to > register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will > contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't > know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. > > If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously > had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan system > if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a copy. > > Good luck > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Pottrell > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM > Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon > Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the > ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) > > Thanks :) > > Tony

Thanks to Gwyn and Margo for your replies. I am looking for the baptisms/marraiges/death of any of Osmonds children. I have found info on marraige of Mabel Mary Cookson to Alenander Crombie. I am still looking for the marraige of PERCY CHARLES COOKSON to ADELAIDE ELIZABETH (Elisabeth) de MONTAIGE/MONTAGUE. I think they would have been married by his father - Rev Osmond Cookson who was the parish priest at Elmstead (Church of England). Unfortunately we do not have a local Family History center here, which is why I tend to rely on the help from these message lists. Many thanks Michelle Essers Israel

I meant to say the other Elmdon book is quoted on our website and was published by Cambridge University Press: Elmdon: continuity and change in a north west Essex village 1861-1964 by Jean Robin (CUP 1980). www.recordinguttlesfordhistory.org.uk

Sorry don't know where you can buy it, but it is certainly available for loan from Saffron Walden Town Library. Elmdon was the subject of a special academic study and this book is the result, it makes it probably one of the most carefully studied villages, from a genealogical point of view, in Essex and well worth reading if you have an interest in any rural parish. There is a second book as well, I think. See our website for some nice pictures and a historical walk round the Elmdon countryside. Jacky www.recordinguttlesfordhistory.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevan" <kevan@pubsgen.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > Try Google books, it also has some useful and complete old books online, > Best > Kevan > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock > Sent: 07 July 2008 21:25 > To: Tony Pottrell; essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > Hi Tony > > I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that > couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to > register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will > contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't > know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. > > If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously > had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan > system > if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a > copy. > > Good luck > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Pottrell > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM > Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon > Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the > ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) > > Thanks :) > > Tony > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Try Google books, it also has some useful and complete old books online, Best Kevan -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Hedgcock Sent: 07 July 2008 21:25 To: Tony Pottrell; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book Hi Tony I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan system if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a copy. Good luck Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Pottrell To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book Hi all, Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) Thanks :) Tony ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Tony there are a number of references to this book on Google - but none seem to say where you might find a copy. You might also want to try Kinship at the Core: An Anthropology of Elmdon, a Village in North-West Essex by Marilyn Strathern and Audrey Richards Hardcover, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521233607 (0-521-23360-7) As both books have an ISBN you might try the British Library Dick Andy Hedgcock wrote: > Hi Tony > > I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. > > If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan system if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a copy. > > Good luck > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Pottrell > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM > Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book > > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon > Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the > ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) > > Thanks :) > > Tony > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1538 - Release Date: 7/7/2008 7:40 AM > > >

Hi Church crawlers For those of you who can’t resist pushing on the door of a country (or town) church for a look round when you are passing, you may like to note that Clive Paine (broadcaster, lecturer, author, historian - of some repute) is spending an evening at St Mary at Stoke Church, Stoke Street, Ipswich on Friday evening 11 July starting at 7.00 pm talking about ‘The Church on Stoke Hill’. For researchers, a few FH publications will also be laying around to look at, together with a fascinating storyboard display of Stoke history by the Over Stoke History Group. They will also have a variety of local history publications on sale. St Mary’s is one of the only two Grade 1 Anglican Churches in Ipswich – not especially on account of its beauty (like St Margaret’s) but because of its provenance – being the only Ipswich church to have had the Midas touch of William Butterfield, the genius gothic revival church architect of the Victorian era. He was commissioned to design and build a very large extension to the church in 1870 which could cope with the local population explosion due to the arrival of the railway in the parish. Amongst his masterpieces are Perth cathedral and the Cathedral of the Isles on Great Cumbrae in Scotland, and cathedrals in Adelaide, Melbourne, Bombay, and Fredericton in Canada not to mention substantial parts of The Rugby School, Bailiol and Keble Colleges Oxford, and a number of magnificent churches in London – in addition to the many hundreds of other churches across the land (including Suffolk & Essex) where he did restoration exercises. All the proceeds from the evening (£5 at the door which includes a glass of wine) will go towards church maintenance. For any further details, please contact me off list. John Barbrook

Hi Tony I tried bookfinder.com which searches through booksellers but even that couldn't find a current copy for sale. Biblio.com has an option for you to register your interest in a book and if it is added to stock they will contact you. Waterstones used to do this - whether they still do, I don't know. Otherwise you could put a Want it Now on Ebay. If you didn't already know, it was privately printed in 1975 so obviously had a small print run. Otherwise you could try the Interlibrary Loan system if you're in the UK on the off-chance that a local library still has a copy. Good luck Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Pottrell To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [Ess] Some Elmdon Families book Hi all, Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) Thanks :) Tony ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Does anyone know where I can (preferably buy) a copy of "Some Elmdon Families" by Audrey Richards and Jean Robin? According to Amazon the ISBN is 0950423203 (ISBN-13 is 978-0950423203) Thanks :) Tony

Hello Tony How about Blissdell/dale, Blisdell, Bleasdell, Blaisdell? Best regards Heather Visit my GOODWIN and GORDON Family Tree http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL Family Tree http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com If you find a connection or just have a query, please get in touch --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Tony Pottrell <editor@pyroport.com> wrote: From: Tony Pottrell <editor@pyroport.com> Subject: [Ess] Surname Suggestions? Hi all, Wondered if someone could suggest a possible surname for me. In the Chrishall PR's it lists a marriage between Henry Pottrell (my 6x Gt Grandfather) and Elizabeth Blixdell in 1749. I believe that Elizabeth was born in Chrishall in 1728 and passed away in October of 1806 in Chrishall. I can find no trace of that surname anywhere else and I can't think of a more common variant. I've tried Blicksdell and Blixdle but no joy. Any suggestions? :) Tony __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

I am looking for information relating to the THORN or THORNE family. Specifically Elizabeth THORNE(E) who married William THOROGOOD on 4 Nov 1793 at South Hanningfield. Elizabeth is thought to be the daughter of John THORN(E) & Elizabeth. The family may have later moved to the Rayleigh area. Any help appreciated. Many thanks Clive Challis

Hi all, Wondered if someone could suggest a possible surname for me. In the Chrishall PR's it lists a marriage between Henry Pottrell (my 6x Gt Grandfather) and Elizabeth Blixdell in 1749. I believe that Elizabeth was born in Chrishall in 1728 and passed away in October of 1806 in Chrishall. I can find no trace of that surname anywhere else and I can't think of a more common variant. I've tried Blicksdell and Blixdle but no joy. Any suggestions? :) Tony

Hello List, Thanks as usual! This list has the most knowledgeable people, and I very much appreciate the helpful suggestions of Jenny, Peter, Heather and Ros (?) not sure if she is "mariners" or "essex". Will thank her on both. You are so patient with me! No definitive answers as of yet. But this is a very important part of my family history so I will persevere. Warm regards to you all, Jennifer Canada

Why is researching family history never simple? I think Jennifer has given the definitive explanation of searching for sea going vessels. When census checking for ancestors with maritime occupations their home location is also important. I am OPC for Burnham-on-Crouch and the Dengie 100 which is a rural area in Eastern Essex with a long coastline and two major rivers hence a significant percentage of the population had occupations connected with the sea/river. But in the 1800's the majorities of our quays were comparatively small and catered for fishing boats, small ferries, farm boats, dredgers and the most important of all - Oyster Boats, most men lived on dry land . Virtually all of these boats would be at sea for hours or at the most a few days at a time and would not venture far from land and as such the crew appeared on the census lists under a great variety of occupational names although legend within the family may well put them down as mariners or marriners or even marinners. Given the seasonal nature of some water based occupations many also doubled as labourers or even had skills like carpenters and boat builders to further confuse the issue. In view of our circumstances only of few local men are found listed under vessels. I suspect that this is true of many similar areas with martitime traditions but small quays. The notable exception to this rule of non residency in our area was Thames Sailing Barges with a crew of one man, his wife and a boy tended to live of their barge and mostly seemed to evade census, this may have been accident although I suspect design based on tales of their activities!!! The PRO holds Crew list for all merchant ships from 1830 onwards but of course that entails a trip to London. These lists include details of vessels as well as individual names and dates of birth of the master and crew so the trip may be worthwhile if the mariner is important to your family history. There are several good websites including http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ and http://www.theshipslist.com as well as sites for specific occupations like coastguards and lighthouse keepers. Peter www.essex-family-history.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny De Angelis Sent: 07 July 2008 10:46 To: Jennifer; ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] 1851 Census question Hi Jennifer, The 1851 census was the first English/Welsh census to record Ships and their crew & passengers but only those ships that were in English/Welsh ports at midnight on census night, all those at sea or in foreign ports were ignored. Having said that the 1851 census on Ancestry, and no doubt on findmypast etc., does not include ships in port because the Nat. Archives don't seem to have either kept those schedules or they have not released the details from those schedules to the site owners to be included in their online censuses, I am not sure what the case is but the I do not believe that ships in port will be found in the 1851 online anywhere. If you find a man using Mariner as a keyword in a search of the 1851 my guess is that he will be at home and not on a ship in port. You should not only be searching using Mariner as a keyword but also use seaman as well as any other seagoing occupations you can think of. Personally I would not use such keywords in the 1851 as they may be stopping you finding your man simply because he could have used a word for his seagoing occupation that you haven't thought to use. With the 1861 census you can do better than just using the keyword mariner in your search if you can't find your mariner ancestor at home in this census. The 1861 census is the first census to include British registered ships that were in foreign ports and those at sea, each master being given his schedule before departing on the voyage that would take his ship away over census night. These images you should find on line on Ancestry, and maybe the other online census sites. You need to type in the persons name and in the Civil Parish box type Vessels rather than a place name. Once you find the person you seek in the 1861 on board a ship you will see along the top of the image, for example, "Vessels Eliza Jane" Eliza Jane would be the name of the ship and if there were more than one ship by that name then each is given a number to distinguish it by so remember any such number for the following move. Click on the name wording Vessel Eliza Jane and this will take you to a listing of ships names where you can look for Eliza Jane, plus any number your ship might have. Once you find the name in the list you will see two links, click on the right hand link which reads something like "View Description of Enumeration District" this will take you forward to where you can read the first page of that ships schedule which gives details of the vessel herself, her home port, her tonnage, her trade, where the master was handed the schedule and the date and including her position at midnight on census night, these can be compass points if she was at sea. You can print out or save this image just as you would an ordinary census image. This page and the image of the crew listing are what made up the two sides of the original schedule for that vessel so should be kept together in your files. If you find your man on board a ship then the mariners mailing list can be helpful at finding out more about her. The Mariners website gives information about finding records of mariners and also has the links for subscribing to the mariners list if you should want to join. http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. <<> My question to you is about the 1851 census, and I know someone on > this list will be able to help me with this. I am trying to locate a > "mariner" in the 1851 census. Is it possible to search this list with > that keyword on Ancestry? I know it is possible in 1861 census, but 1851 > comes up a blank. Any suggestions about how I might find this info?>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jennifer, The 1851 census was the first English/Welsh census to record Ships and their crew & passengers but only those ships that were in English/Welsh ports at midnight on census night, all those at sea or in foreign ports were ignored. Having said that the 1851 census on Ancestry, and no doubt on findmypast etc., does not include ships in port because the Nat. Archives don't seem to have either kept those schedules or they have not released the details from those schedules to the site owners to be included in their online censuses, I am not sure what the case is but the I do not believe that ships in port will be found in the 1851 online anywhere. If you find a man using Mariner as a keyword in a search of the 1851 my guess is that he will be at home and not on a ship in port. You should not only be searching using Mariner as a keyword but also use seaman as well as any other seagoing occupations you can think of. Personally I would not use such keywords in the 1851 as they may be stopping you finding your man simply because he could have used a word for his seagoing occupation that you haven't thought to use. With the 1861 census you can do better than just using the keyword mariner in your search if you can't find your mariner ancestor at home in this census. The 1861 census is the first census to include British registered ships that were in foreign ports and those at sea, each master being given his schedule before departing on the voyage that would take his ship away over census night. These images you should find on line on Ancestry, and maybe the other online census sites. You need to type in the persons name and in the Civil Parish box type Vessels rather than a place name. Once you find the person you seek in the 1861 on board a ship you will see along the top of the image, for example, "Vessels Eliza Jane" Eliza Jane would be the name of the ship and if there were more than one ship by that name then each is given a number to distinguish it by so remember any such number for the following move. Click on the name wording Vessel Eliza Jane and this will take you to a listing of ships names where you can look for Eliza Jane, plus any number your ship might have. Once you find the name in the list you will see two links, click on the right hand link which reads something like "View Description of Enumeration District" this will take you forward to where you can read the first page of that ships schedule which gives details of the vessel herself, her home port, her tonnage, her trade, where the master was handed the schedule and the date and including her position at midnight on census night, these can be compass points if she was at sea. You can print out or save this image just as you would an ordinary census image. This page and the image of the crew listing are what made up the two sides of the original schedule for that vessel so should be kept together in your files. If you find your man on board a ship then the mariners mailing list can be helpful at finding out more about her. The Mariners website gives information about finding records of mariners and also has the links for subscribing to the mariners list if you should want to join. http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. <<> My question to you is about the 1851 census, and I know someone on > this list will be able to help me with this. I am trying to locate a > "mariner" in the 1851 census. Is it possible to search this list with > that keyword on Ancestry? I know it is possible in 1861 census, but 1851 > comes up a blank. Any suggestions about how I might find this info?>>

Hello Jennifer You could just try the word "vessels" as the keyword.... that should just return you those with matching name "onboard" for the night of the census. That way, if he was on his ship, you may have a better chance of finding him. Best regards Heather Visit my GOODWIN and GORDON Family Tree http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL Family Tree http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com If you find a connection or just have a query, please get in touch --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Jennifer <jaebee@shaw.ca> wrote: From: Jennifer <jaebee@shaw.ca> Subject: [Ess] 1851 Census question To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 5:26 AM My question to you is about the 1851 census, and I know someone on this list will be able to help me with this. I am trying to locate a "mariner" in the 1851 census. Is it possible to search this list with that keyword on Ancestry? I know it is possible in 1861 census, but 1851 comes up a blank. Any suggestions about how I might find this info? Thanks very much, Jennifer __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html