T Lewis wrote: > Contact was made with me about 5/6 years after the event concerned and I > received a letter asking me questions about myself. I rang the company > involved and they explained further to me once I confirmed who I was. As to > the earlier poster who reckoned the fee was around 25% I certainly was not > charged that amount it was around 10%. 25% was what one person was charged, whilst another had 33% deducted. There was also a report of a mid 5-figure inheritance ending up as a low 4-figure sum after the deduction of commission and a 4 way split. Bear in mind that prices (including commission fees) have risen substantially in "about 5/6 years". I would guess that different firms charge different fees as well. I'd rather do the research myself. I can do it quickly enough and accurately after the better part of half a century's research experience. Of course the real answer is to always make a will, even if you think there are no extant relatives, leaving all your worldly goods and estate to the local dogs home or other worthy/worthwhile charity.

Please is anyone researching the family of Andrew FULLER who died before 1752, according to the 1752 will of his brother Thomas of Saffron Walden [Andrew ?late of Melbourn Cambs] His children alive in 1752 Andrew, Samuel , Mary & Jane the wife of ...BAINES of Colchester. ? a baker. I am trying to find a family member Thomas FULLER widr who died 1820 in Kensington, mother-in-law Mary DAVIES of Bishops Stortford, and left his property to the descendants of the Saffron Walden FULLER's but cannot find where he fits! Thanks Jo in Leics jo.mason@swsmail.net holmested@one-name.org

Contact was made with me about 5/6 years after the event concerned and I received a letter asking me questions about myself. I rang the company involved and they explained further to me once I confirmed who I was. As to the earlier poster who reckoned the fee was around 25% I certainly was not charged that amount it was around 10%. regards Tricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Betz" <linbetz@gmail.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Heir hunters In their FAQ's: *Q11. Is there a time limit for making a claim?* A11. In most cases the claim will become statute barred 12 years after the date that the administration of the estate is substantially completed. The Treasury Solicitor operates a discretionary policy whereby claims may be admitted up to 30 years from the date of death. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see a Catch 22 situation. How can the estate's admin be 'substantially completed' while there are still heirs to be contacted? Keith Taylor Somerset UK -----Original Message----- From: Lin Betz [mailto:linbetz@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:18 PM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Heir hunters In their FAQ's: *Q11. Is there a time limit for making a claim?* A11. In most cases the claim will become statute barred 12 years after the date that the administration of the estate is substantially completed. The Treasury Solicitor operates a discretionary policy whereby claims may be admitted up to 30 years from the date of death. Thales UK Ltd (Wells) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1749 672081 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business of Thales UK Ltd. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273

2008/7/18 Firebird <sparrer@gmail.com>: > John Barbrook wrote: > > > I hope to live long enough to be able to look at the 1910 census > > and have another go – if only to satisfy my own curiosity, as I > > fancy there may be an 'out of time' bar (is it the Statute of > > Limitations – perhaps 6 years?) after which the Treasury will not > > pay out anything. > > I don't think there is a Statute of Limitations in England as such but > you should be able to find out the details on the bona vacantia site. > In their FAQ's: *Q11. Is there a time limit for making a claim?* A11. In most cases the claim will become statute barred 12 years after the date that the administration of the estate is substantially completed. The Treasury Solicitor operates a discretionary policy whereby claims may be admitted up to 30 years from the date of death.

John Barbrook wrote: > On this topic, both the Times and the Telegraph used to post a > listing of those who died intestate but stopped some time ago – no > doubt for some good reason – because a lot of people used to look > at them including me. Where they got them from I do not know – but > no doubt someone will tell us any second now. Certainly they are > public domain? Definitely - at www.bonavacantia.gov.uk > End of story. The care home where he died would not release any > other details about him (to me) due to data protection. The Data Protection Act applies to living people, not dead ones. > As he was (the death certificate claimed) born in 1908, Since he died in a care home, there's a good chance that they didn't actually know how old he was. When my great uncle died, no family members were contacted and his age was given incorrectly. > I hope to live long enough to be able to look at the 1910 census > and have another go – if only to satisfy my own curiosity, as I > fancy there may be an ‘out of time’ bar (is it the Statute of > Limitations – perhaps 6 years?) after which the Treasury will not > pay out anything. I don't think there is a Statute of Limitations in England as such but you should be able to find out the details on the bona vacantia site. The 1911 census is being rolled out from January next year.

Hi Listers On this topic, both the Times and the Telegraph used to post a listing of those who died intestate but stopped some time ago – no doubt for some good reason – because a lot of people used to look at them including me. Where they got them from I do not know – but no doubt someone will tell us any second now. Certainly they are public domain? I saw a name of someone who had died locally, intestate, who I was sure was a relative, leaving £76K! I applied for a death certificate to discover his date and place of birth. The place was simply “London” and when I applied for a birth certificate, the GRO came back – having searched 5 years either side and said that there was no birth in that (or even similar) name recorded. I have since then done my own search of the registers with the same result. End of story. The care home where he died would not release any other details about him (to me) due to data protection. As he was (the death certificate claimed) born in 1908, I hope to live long enough to be able to look at the 1910 census and have another go – if only to satisfy my own curiosity, as I fancy there may be an ‘out of time’ bar (is it the Statute of Limitations – perhaps 6 years?) after which the Treasury will not pay out anything. John - Suffolk

Syd, Here are a couple of Free BDM extracts Edith Ellen KENT birth Sep Q,1881,Rochford(Essex),4a,348 and on same page of the Marriage record for 1902 Sep Q, Epping(Essex),4a,735 Edith Sophia KENT & William Joseph WADE were with Eliza Law and William Henry Macklin Not perfect correlation, but it may mean more to you than I. My own interest and data is re WADE before 1850 Maybe you will be lucky and find a 20th century WADE researcher. Good Luck john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syd Hockey" <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: [Ess] EDITH KENT > Hello Everybody, > I am looking for information on EDITH KENT born > 1882-83, all I know about her at the moment is she married WILLIAM WADE > 1902 at EPPING ESSEX and they had a daughter (Elsie) born at LOUGHTON > 1915. > If there is any other person researching this family or can help in any > way would they kindly get in touch. Thank you. > Regards, > Syd > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's my problem Peter, I have no dates or anything. All I know is he married this, ? Clampin Woman after my grandmother died. The only record I have been able to find on him was on the 1901 census and that is when he was Donald John Eggleton. It is almost like he was in the witness protection program or something. My mom and her sister would never speak of him, as he left my grandmother when they were very young. I was hoping that someone with the Clampin Surmane would read it a contact me. Thank ever so much though Peter for your offer. I just don't know were to start Shelley

Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > No doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! Bewtween 25% and 33% apparently but once you know there is an inheritance then you can check on the government website, Bona Vacantia, then do the research and claim the inheritance yourself. No fees are payable to the heir hunters so long as you don't sign anything. There's no reason why a competent genealogist or family historian couldn't do the research necessary.

Hi Diana Yes it is a great program have been watching it also. Every Thursday the list is posted on the Bona Vacantia site. At one stage they used to put the amount of the estate but then stopped doing that to prevent fraud. I was contacted in a similar way to some money that was owed to me and I didnt know anything about it. I signed up as the amount they deducted from my money was very small in comparison. So I would think that those who decided to go it alone decided they didnt wish to part with any of their inheritance. regards Tricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dianadiluca@aol.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com>; <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com>; <MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Heir Hunters > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it > this week > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives > of > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. > They > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and > marriages > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate > then > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder > from > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race > against > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No > doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved > by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later > alone > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family > only > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then > inform > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of > course! How > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the > money. > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who > thought he > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to > have > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who > wasn't > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected > (but by blood) > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who > did all the > work though received nothing. > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of > interesting > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > Regards > > Diana > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hadn't heard of it, but thankfully it is on the BBC iPlayer (www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer) Interesting about the ability to claim from the treasury, presumably there's a time limit involved? I'm sure I could quite easily find a few estates in my tree that went intestate! Tony Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, > > Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown > presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week > and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of > someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. They > look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages > to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be > entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then > the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from > where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against > the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt > the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by > them and finally paid out to the heirs! > > There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left > home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone > with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only > get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform > them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of course! How > much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not > sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. > Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he > would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have > their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now > will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't > a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from > Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) > to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was > thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the > work though received nothing. > > > This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in > the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ > (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting > information on there that we should all be aware of! > > Regards > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

GDAY:) I have a direct line of MOUNTFORD in SAMPFORD/RADWINTER ESSEX Looking for anyone please who has a Connection to this line Thru JOHN MOUNTFORD and ANN EVERETT   Also trying to find a Baptism of JAMES PHILPOTT Born circa 1750s Thought was in Sampford as on Marriage there to REBECCA MOUNTFORD it says he was from Great Sampford, But cannot find his Birth Listed there, Have those LDS registers in at the Moment   So any help with this JAMES PHILPOTT, Baptism would be appreciated , ty On james Philpotts Marriage to rebecca Mountford, it listed a JOHN PHILPOTT as Witness, Brother or father maybe?   Regards Cathy:) Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au

Hello My name is Shelley Cameron. I have been away from the list for some time now, but once again am going to try to find information on my grandfather Donald John Eggleton. He and my grandmother separated ( not divorced ) when my mother was just a young girl, and sometime through the years he changed his first name to Jack. After my grandmother died he remarried and took this woman's last name and became Jack Clampin. He and his new wife live somewhere in Clacton On-Sea. I am trying to find any member of the Clampin in family that would have information on this couple. Shelley

I have read this posting about Ancestary access at Essex libraries. Is there perhaps sks who is going to one of these libraries and is prepared to do some lookups for me? many thanks michelle israel > 1. ELAN services (The Quineys) > I have recently discovered that Essex libraries offer access to Ancestry > *worldwide* free from all their libraries. > > When you book a pc, state that it is for genealogy and they will allow you > to use the pc for more than the usual 1 hour. Don't know whether people > have complained in the past or whether they just appreciate how > time-consuming family research can be. can take a flash drive (aka thumb drive) with me, I can plug that into the library's computer and download the information and images directly to the drive which I can tuck in my pocket, take home and upload onto my machine.

Hi to all the above Rootsweb mailing listers who live in England, Have you been watching the programme 'Heirhunters' which is being shown presently at 9.15 every morning on BBC1? I've only just discovered it this week and I love it! It shows a team of genealogists searching for relatives of someone who has died without making a will and having no known family. They look up the censuses to make up family trees, and births,deaths and marriages to determine who make up the family and if they are still living could be entitled to a share of any estate. Apparently if a person dies intestate then the money goes to the Treasury. The company acquires a list (I wonder from where? Anyone know?) of people who have died intestate and they race against the clock to find possible heirs before rival companies find them. No doubt the company gets a large commission from any inheritance that is proved by them and finally paid out to the heirs! There are some sad cases on there e.g. a person who for some reason left home at 17 never to be heard of again by the family who dies years later alone with no family around him and no one to leave his money to. The family only get to hear of his death via the company Fraser and Fraser who then inform them that they are entitled to the inheritance - less commission of course! How much the company gets I don't know but some possible heirs choose to not sign a contract and make their own application to the state for the money. Also, a couple who was cared for in their later years by a nephew who thought he would be left some of their money. In fact they said they wanted him to have their money as a thank you for his help and care. But unfortunately now will was made, they became infirm, the aunt died leaving her husband (who wasn't a blood relative to the nephew) who died a while afterwards from Alzheimer's. Fraser and Fraser find an heir who is so remotely connected (but by blood) to the deceased that they never even knew the person existed, but was thrilled to learn that they inherited everything. The poor nephew who did all the work though received nothing. This is the website for the programme and the company that is featured in the programme - _http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm_ (http://www.fraserandfraser.com/heirhunters/default.htm) Loads of interesting information on there that we should all be aware of! Regards Diana

He does not seem to be there, but, when was he born? There are only 20 Fredericks from either Totham in the 1871 Cheers Steve Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Ha ha - glad you said that Steve, I thought it said Nailer out of > employ! I couldn't find a Frederick Gulson born Gt Totham Essex in the > 1871 census. > > Diana

Dear Essex List, I am the administrator of the BYRD/BIRD DNA Project. The project may be found at: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/b/byrd/ Please note that this is a personal request, concerning my own genealogical research. I do not work for FtDNA and have nothing to gain financially from this request, only in terms of personal family tree information. This is NOT a commercial announcement. I now have strong circumstantial evidence (but not yet to the level of proof) that the BIRD (or BRID) families listed in the e-mail header were in fact part of a single, extended BIRD clan that also sent male members to New England in the early-mid 17th c. My confidence in this theory is now high enough to offer the following: I will pay personally for a basic genetic (Y chromosome, 12 marker) test for any male lineal descendant, surname BIRD, who can demonstrate an unbroken line of male descent from any one of these BIRD families that lived in the listed towns during the 18th c. or earlier. Again, these are the BIRD families of Bishop's Stortford, Gt. Hallingbury, Little Hallingbury, Hatfield Broad Oak, Brewers End, Saffron Walden, Chelmsford, and Braintree, or any of the adjacent, surrounding parishes along the old Roman roads in that region. This test must involve a male subject surnamed BIRD (or a spelling variant). There cannot be any intervening female link or any another surname involved in the male line, since the test examines the Y chromosome only. There is no medical information to be gained from the Y chromosome test, and all information will remain strictly confidential. Please contact me directly (off list) if you are interested. Thanks in advance, Dr. Steven Bird Austin, TX, USA _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008

If it is the one in St Pancras he looks like a Waiter out of employ to me. Cheers Steve Helen Gulson wrote: > I am hoping that someone with access to the 1871 census might be able to give me a hand by doing a look up for me. Frederick Gulson is the person I am interested in. Although I have access to the return, I cannot make out his occupation and am hoping someone on the list might be able to see something there that I can't read. In the 1861 and 1851 census returns he was a Brickmaker but it looks as if he may have changed occupations by 1871. > > Thank you in anticipation. > > Regards, > > Helen > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Michelle Ancestry is available through most public libraries worldwide. It may be worth checking with your local one in Israel if they offer the same service. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Essers To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: [Ess] ELAN services - Look up I have read this posting about Ancestary access at Essex libraries. Is there perhaps sks who is going to one of these libraries and is prepared to do some lookups for me? many thanks michelle israel > 1. ELAN services (The Quineys) > I have recently discovered that Essex libraries offer access to Ancestry > *worldwide* free from all their libraries. > > When you book a pc, state that it is for genealogy and they will allow you > to use the pc for more than the usual 1 hour. Don't know whether people > have complained in the past or whether they just appreciate how > time-consuming family research can be. can take a flash drive (aka thumb drive) with me, I can plug that into the library's computer and download the information and images directly to the drive which I can tuck in my pocket, take home and upload onto my machine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message