Hello John, There are quite a number of family trees for this couple on Ancestry.com. One of the tree owners has Samuel and Mary Ann Linzell having one child Ann born 1819 - she married Joseph Tassell. But the owner has put that Mary Ann had 7 other children - father unknown - born either side of Ann. This might be wrong, don't know. Another tree owner has Mary Ann Linzell and Samuel Dye marrying on 23 Oct 1813 at Aveley, Essex. They list 6 children detailing marriages and their children for 3 of them - one of them goes off to Australia. There are about 5 other trees and they all say that Mary Ann and Samuel Dye had all the children. They give full details of censuses and births and deaths. Have you got access to Ancestry? To which person is your wife descendant - I can send you the details then. Otherwise there is a lot to copy out. Regards Diana Regarding: I have an ancestor of my wife who I think was born Stifford about 1786. The information is not well documented and I am wondering how to proceed. Person in question is Mary Ann LINZELL who I think married Samuel DYE in Essex in Oct 1813, but again the information is not documented. I suspect that the marriage would be in Stifford. The family moved to Cambridgeshire at some time before 1841, so my usual information sources are not helping. As far as I can tell there is no Online Parish Clerk for Stifford. Can anyone suggest where I should look next? ==John ffitch

This is my first posting to the list. I am wondering if anyone knows of the Prince Regent Inn, Ferry House, West Ham. In 1841 when my gt gt grandparents Thomas and Margaret Henderson were living there it was in Essex. The census ref is HO 107/8/71 page 16. They later moved to Surrey and then to Australia in 1853. Any history of the area of West Ham would be appreciated. Dinah Harvey Sydney Australia

I have just looked more thoroughly at the familysearch pilot site and the projects completed and upcoming as well as what it currently being indexed at the site. I found that in the upcoming projects is noted Essex Parish Registers FSI Waypointing. Quite what FSI Waypointing means I have no idea, does anyone else? Perhaps we should keep our eyes on the list of Current Indexing projects to see when the above Essex PRs appear on that listing so that we can volunteer to help index those. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain

I have just looked more thoroughly at the familysearch pilot site and the projects completed and upcoming as well as what it currently being indexed at the site. I found that in the upcoming projects is noted Essex Parish Registers FSI Waypointing. Quite what FSI Waypointing means I have no idea, does anyone else? Perhaps we should keep our eyes on the list of Current Indexing projects to see when the above Essex PRs appear on that listing so that we can volunteer to help index those. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain

HI Peter, I agree with all you say about the benefits of the familysearch site, I have used the IGI since it first became available at the site and have found it invaluable in helping me find my Smith family roots in the North East of England. I also use the LDS catalogue to search for films of PRs and other records so that I can further track my family roots. I am one of the lucky ones who has roots in the Diocese of the Bishop of Durham where many of the BTs for that Diocese are already on the pilot site. I have found those BTs to be very useful and they save me long boring train rides to and from Barcelona, where my nearest LDS centre is situated. This makes me more grateful than ever that the LDS has such a wonderful website and are improving on it all the time. Being able to view the BTs for various County Durham Parishes on the pilot site has filled in gaps in the research that I have done using LDS films, where a span of years were perhaps missing from a film, or I have discovered a new surname in my tree since viewing a particular set of PRs on film at the LDS. One way to help get the Pilot site loaded more quickly with all that the LDS intend putting on the site is to volunteer to help with the indexing. There is a very obvious link to becoming an indexer on the home page of the Pilot site. The more of us that volunteer to help the sooner the records we want to view will become available at the site. I intend volunteering in the very near future once I have fully recovered from the broken wrist I suffered a couple of months ago and am able to type for longer periods at a time. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. Peter wrote:- <<Family Search more than anyone else helped to bring family history searching to the internet. In the past their web site has held a vast amount of information but the page display was very basic and searching could be confusing, especially for beginners, which could mean missed results. There is also little doubt that they wish to expand on their information but in the commercial world in which we live I doubt that any of the big information holders will give it to them for free. There is a feedback form on the pilot site, so those people with criticism or observations can make their point to family search and who knows they might see site development that they would like. If they get a number of requests for more essex uk info then Family Search may even prioritise our area of interest.>>

Spot on Dinah, it is listed near to the Green Gate, which was in Plaistow - see : http://londonpublichouse.com/essexpubs/Plaistow/plaistow.shtml But the Prince Regent was in Custom House, which is the Canning Town area. These were all part of the West Ham parish at that time, and as the area was massively built upon, distinct districts became identifiable, e.g. Plaistow, Canning Town, Silvertown, West Ham, Stratford Langthorne, etc. Here is the later Prince Regent in Canning Town, and other Pubs, but I have yet to list the original Prince Regent. http://londonpublichouse.com/essexpubs/CanningTown/canningtown.shtml Finally, the Prince Regent was not listed in the 1839 Pigot's directory, not sure why; nor the 1848 White's as it had been demolished by this time. More Stratford & area history can also be found here: http://historyofstratford.co.uk/index.shtml Best Kevan -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianadiluca@aol.com Sent: 20 July 2008 11:02 To: dandrh@bigpond.net.au Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Prince Regent Inn West Ham Hi Dinah, This is a good website for West Ham history. _http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/timeline.htm_ (http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/timeline.htm) - I'm sure you will get other good sites from other listers on here. The pub is mentioned on this website: _http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/publist.htm_ (http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/publist.htm) I come from that area and I thought that there was still a pub called the Prince Regent on the Barking Road but I must be mistaken. Looks like it has gone now. Regards Diana Re: This is my first posting to the list. I am wondering if anyone knows of the Prince Regent Inn, Ferry House, West Ham. In 1841 when my gt gt grandparents Thomas and Margaret Henderson were living there it was in Essex. The census ref is HO 107/8/71 page 16. They later moved to Surrey and then to Australia in 1853. Any history of the area of West Ham would be appreciated. Dinah Harvey Sydney Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dinah, This is a good website for West Ham history. _http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/timeline.htm_ (http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/timeline.htm) - I'm sure you will get other good sites from other listers on here. The pub is mentioned on this website: _http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/publist.htm_ (http://www.lalamy.demon.co.uk/publist.htm) I come from that area and I thought that there was still a pub called the Prince Regent on the Barking Road but I must be mistaken. Looks like it has gone now. Regards Diana Re: This is my first posting to the list. I am wondering if anyone knows of the Prince Regent Inn, Ferry House, West Ham. In 1841 when my gt gt grandparents Thomas and Margaret Henderson were living there it was in Essex. The census ref is HO 107/8/71 page 16. They later moved to Surrey and then to Australia in 1853. Any history of the area of West Ham would be appreciated. Dinah Harvey Sydney Australia

I am researching MOORCOCK, which is the last name of my Gt Grandfather John, born in Surrey 1840's My research indicates that part of the family spread from Berkshire & Surrey, to Essex. Is anyone researching this name ? Mary

Hello All Apologies for the posting yesterday.... As you say, it is not free only the index search is. My fault, case of posting in excitement just before going off to work without checking fully... rather like failing to ensure my brain was engaged before opening my mouth. (it's my age you know) Best regards Heather Visit my GOODWIN and GORDON Family Tree http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL Family Tree http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com If you find a connection or just have a query, please get in touch __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

Family Search more than anyone else helped to bring family history searching to the internet. In the past their web site has held a vast amount of information but the page display was very basic and searching could be confusing, especially for beginners, which could mean missed results. Whilst many of the postings are right in that there is little new information Family Search should be congratulated on a very nice new interface and much clearer displays of the information that could be searched. There is also little doubt that they wish to expand on their information but in the commercial world in which we live I doubt that any of the big information holders will give it to them for free. Earlier this month Shirley highlighted the improved local information relating to Walthamstow so there is new free stuff being loaded. The search is certainly free for the 1841 and 1861 census's although to get full information there is a charge. This is still an important service for those people who are not able to subscribe to ancestry etc. There is a feedback form on the pilot site, so those people with criticism or observations can make their point to family search and who knows they might see site development that they would like. If they get a number of requests for more essex uk info then Family Search may even prioritise our area of interest.

HO107/1934 Wells St.Cuthbert 'In', Somerset CENSUS 1 Page 11/F280 Chamberlain Street Ann PARBUTT? widow, 50, Income from Interest, b. Hornchurch Mary Ann Mendum, svt, 17, House Servant, b. Bath Page 20/F285 Mary Ann WARREN, lodger, 10, scholar, b. Rumford, Essex head: Michael Dawson, Brushmaker CENSUS 2 Page 8/F294 Sadler Street Henry PRENTICE, lodger, 24, B.A.Trinity Coll.Theological, b. Prittlewell, Essex (listed alone) Page 30/F305 High Street Ellen ADENEY, asst, 21, School Governess, b. Thorpe, Essex Head: Annie Dale, Schoolmistress Page 43/F312 Charles TAYLOR, 33, Ret'd Maltster & Brewer (no pob given) Sophia, 36, b. Ilford, Essex Elizabeth STONE, sister-in-law, 48, Annuitant, b. Hornchurch, Essex Sophia Taylor, dau, 10, scholar at home, b. Wells, Som. Mary, 9, do do Charles, 7, do do Eliza, 5, do do Francis, 1, do Sarah Harper, svt, 19, House Servant, b. Croscombe CENSUS 4 Page 2/F359 Portway John GREEN, 61, Plasterer & Tiler, b. Wookey, Som. Rebecca, 60, b. Newport, Essex Sarah Davis, visitor,widow, 61, No stated occupation, b. Burrington, Som.

I would like to say thank you to everyone on the list that offered and gave there help at finding out about my grandfather Donald John Eggleton who had changed his last name to Clampin. A special thanks to Holly and Dianne who found so many thing for me and sent them to me. I can't thank them enough. I have been on cloud nine the last couple of day. I have sent them both private thank you messages as well. They found the year he and my grandmother Mary Rachel Henson married, they found information on his sister's and on brother, and a letter to the Ministry Of Pensions at the War office stating that Donlad John Eggleton had recently taken step to change his last name and that his present name ( Donald John Clampin ) had been added to the pension documents affected. We had been told he didn't change his last name till after my grandmother had died, and that he then took his new wife's last name of Clampin, but the date on the Ministry Of Pensions is May 30 1945. The thing I can't figure out though is why the first part of the letter says " With reference to War Office letter NO. 27/ASC/2848 (Mob 5 ) dated 29th July, 1920. How great is all this after so many years of searching. Thank you all again Shelley

Jenny De Angelis wrote: > Not free of charge at all. > > All that is on the familysearch pilot site, at present, is an index to the > 1841 and 1861 censuses. > > Once you find the person you are looking for in that index and click on > their name to bring up further details, which are very sparse, you will see > on that page in the top right corner a link for the image which tells you > that the image is available through findmypast and you can click on that > image to be taken to the findmypast site, so not free at all. > > Findmypast is one of the sites licensed by the National Archives to have > images of the English & Welsh censuses on their sites and those licensed > sites are all pay sites. Yes, I see what you mean. Other than the obvious paucity of information immediately availablefrom the search, it's not much different to their original presentation of the 1881 census. Not a great deal of use in reality for those of us that have to pay in Sterling at the Rand conversion rate. Not worth all the Brou-ha-ha! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg.

Not free of charge at all. All that is on the familysearch pilot site, at present, is an index to the 1841 and 1861 censuses. Once you find the person you are looking for in that index and click on their name to bring up further details, which are very sparse, you will see on that page in the top right corner a link for the image which tells you that the image is available through findmypast and you can click on that image to be taken to the findmypast site, so not free at all. Findmypast is one of the sites licensed by the National Archives to have images of the English & Welsh censuses on their sites and those licensed sites are all pay sites. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> Hello All > Just thought I would let you know that the 1841 and 1861 Census of England > and Wales is available free on the Familysearch Labs website > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 > Best regards > Heather>>

HO107/1940 Wellow, Som. CENSUS 1 Page 2/F55 Stony Littleton George HILL, 31, Ag.Lab., b. Essex, N.K. Harriet, 29, b. Marston, Som Ellen, 5, b. Mells Elizabeth, 2, do Baby girl, 1 month, b. Wellow, Som.

HO107/1921 Wellington, Somerset CENSUS 1 Page 11/F373 Annie COULSON, visitor, mrd, 26, No stated occupation, b. Mannington (sic) Essex head: Elizabeth Clarke, House Proprietor CENSUS 2 Page 21/F408 Prior House Samuel DOBREE, 37, Fund Holder, b. Hackney, Mddx Jane, 43, wife, b. Guernsey Helen, 18, b. Eastbourne, Sussex Samuel, 7, scholar, b. Putney, Surrey George, 26, Woollen Manufacturer, b. Wellington, Som. Jane, visitor, 26, wife, b. Waltham, Essex Edward, visitor, 10 months, b. Wellington, Som. Henry Broacks, svt, 32, Gardener, b. Kingston Seymour Eliza, svt, mrd, 40, House Servant, b. Newbury Catherine Cottrell, svt, 22, do b. Bathealton Sarah Saturley? visitor's svt., 20, Nurse, b. Wellington, Som. Page 37/F446 Thomas WERE, mrd, 66, Landed Prop., b. Waltham Abbey, Essex Ann, 65, Landed Prop's wife, b. Bradninch Eliza, 39, do dau, b. do Mary, 38, b. Wellington, Som. Sarah Twoze, svt, 24, House Servant, b. Cullumpton, Devon Mary Blackmore, svt, 31, b. Wellington, Som. CENSUS 5 Page 16/F498 Thomas SHUFFREY, 62, Commercial Clerk, b. Witney, Oxon Theodosia Eliza, 58, Shop Keeper, b. Malton (sic) Essex do dau, 33, Governess, b. Broadway, Worcs. Elizabeth Bridges, svt, 20, House Servant, b. Sampford Arundel, Som. Sarah Gould, widow, 84, Pauper Former Baker, b. Langford HO107/1934 Wells, St.Andrews, Somerset Page 3 Vicar Close Henry WIGGINS, 62, widower, Sacrist of the Cathedral, b. Fambridge, Essex Susan 26, b. London, Bayswater, Mddx

I have an ancestor known as John Deane of Spinells circa 1700s. I'd like to know more about Spinells. I assume it was some sort of manor or house. The only reference I've been able to find suggests it may have been in Bradfield - not far from Harwich where he was born. Does anyone have any knowledge of Spinnels? Thanks Diane

Hello All Just thought I would let you know that the 1841 and 1861 Census of England and Wales is available free on the Familysearch Labs website http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Best regards Heather Visit my GOODWIN and GORDON Family Tree http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL Family Tree http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com If you find a connection or just have a query, please get in touch __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

Hello all Limited access unless you have a subscription to Find My Past. Eve Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Essex List" <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: [Ess] 1841 and 1861 Census Now Available Free Hello All Just thought I would let you know that the 1841 and 1861 Census of England and Wales is available free on the Familysearch Labs website http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Best regards Heather Visit my GOODWIN and GORDON Family Tree http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL Family Tree http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com If you find a connection or just have a query, please get in touch __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Taylor, Keith wrote: > I see a Catch 22 situation. How can the estate's admin be 'substantially > completed' while there are still heirs to be contacted? An estate can be completed but the treasury withholds a certain amount against the possibility of other heirs coming forward at a later date. Those who'd already inherited would not have to pay anything back in that event.