Hi All I seem to have the address of this free site, could someone let me have it please Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Beth" <bwearing@eastlink.ca>; <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Free Site > Hi Beth > > Where it has Free Genealogy Online, it says 'register to join.' > > Cheers > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Free Site > > > I must be missing something on the site as I didn't see anywhere to > register, only 3 different membership choices. Is there any data there at > all, or only lists of things to buy, which I thought was a no-no on > roostweb > lists. > > beth in NS > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andy and All Well I have fnally managed to get myself organized and have been on the site. One little question though, is there actual data available or is it just lists of what they have to sell? Cheers beth

I have just registered on this site and done some searches. I received an email saying that my registration will be deleted after 90 days. Interesting. Pam in Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Jones" <englishsurnames@hotmail.co.uk> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Ess] Free Genealogy Online Free Genealogy Onlinehttp://www.free-genealogy-online.net What is available on FREE GENEALOGY ONLINE - ENGLANDmuch more to come in the very near future <snip>

Hi Barbara That is a good example of finding out the truth about these 'family stories' which seem to abound in every family. My rellies came to Australia in 1873-1887 and kept in touch with their English rellies. There are many family stories that I found to be greatly enlarged and the truth twisted around to look better than they actually were. I find the certificates fascinating and it just lends a more human touch to our research. Pam in Brisbane Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara scott" <ellescott77@ntlworld.com> To: "KEITH GOODWAY" <keith.goodway@btinternet.com>; <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Re. Details on Certificates I can see the point in witholding death certificate details if someone living would be unduly upset, but I had the reverse situation in my family. Family whispers had it that a member had "had money and property, but drank it all away" - no name ever mentioned. I received a copy of his death certificate quite out of the blue from a contact and found that he had in fact been run over by a train. There was an inquest and accidental death was recorded. Having researched his life as far as possible for the preceeding ten or so years, and the actions of his brothers in the couple of years after his death my understanding of his death is quite different. Instead of the drunken loser he had been portrayed as, in fact he was a man who had endured a lot of personal tragedy in the five or so years prior to his death. I was upset, in fact I cried, when I saw his death certficate and put all of the pieces together, but I was also happy that I had been able to remove the wrong image given to him by family gossip. Barbara

Once you register and click on England, I found that there are several ways to search. I of course tried the surname first, I clicked on Gloucestershire Burials, then surched for Bould and came up with a dozen records. Then I searched by the name of the village Oddington and came up with the hundreds of burials in that place and was able to extract all of the spellings Bould, Bowles, Bowls etc and also the names of collateral families Clifford, Day, Minchin, Harris, Bartlett. Well 90 free days of that and I could accomplish quite a lot in that time. Randi Randi Bowles-Meentzen

I think that we would all want a copy of the certificate, but if someone has published here the details of, for example, the birth of Henry Smith in 1863 in Braintree district, then those looking for Henry Smith would know if that particular one was appropriate to purchase or not. And when researching families with common names any clue can help in the saving of wasted purchases. On the sidetracked subject of sensitivity over cause of death, what about DOB of first children? My grandmother always used to be very against the thought of sex before marriage, back in the 60s, saying how wrong it was and how things like that never happened in her day. Since doing family history I have found that her first born arrived 3 days after the marriage! So I suspect that she would not have wanted that made public, even though all of her contemporaries would have known. Unless she had been living with Granda as husband a wife for some time before. Would I publish details of the birth and marriage certificates? Probably as all from those generations are no longer with us. But if it was a generation later? Thoughtfully Steve J K gen wrote: > I rarely consider that "sensitive" information must be published, causes of > death certainly could be sensitive. There is, however, another point to > consider: > > when I first started researching some thirty-plus years ago (and no doubt > some of the list will have been at it longer still) one was told to look at > the source of the information, and not rely on a transcription or (heaven > forfend) just an index entry. > > Whilst appreciating that death certificate information is still a > transcription, is it wise to depend on yet another version (even if for > free)? Surely one's research should be as accurate as possible, and this > does include purchasing a certified copy of a death entry, doesn't it? > > JK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Note: forwarded message attached. Randi Bowles-Meentzen

In a message dated Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:31 PM GMT Daylight Time, Beth writes: When I get on the site there is a registration form right there, but if I fill it in nothing happens , presumably because I don't know what to put in the login box. When I go the other route, via Internet tools, privacy etc nothing happens when I hit Apply. If you fill in the form, make up a Login name and password and put these in the fields. Wait a few seconds until you get the confirmation email, then go back to the Home page of the site and use the Login name and password to access the content. DaveD I raise money for charity just by searching the web! www.everyclick.com is an internet search engine with a big difference - it donates half its revenues to charity, please support them too!

I take your point David. But still, having Free access for 90 days is worth having. It's hardly a rip-off if you're not paying anything to start with. Regards Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Capricorn.UK.Com To: Andy Hedgcock ; Jenny Williams ; rootsweb essex Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Free Site Don't get your hopes up this isn't a FREE site, it's just FREE to register. After you register, you have 90 days to pay your membership fees or you will be removed. I would take these type of sites more seriously if they were honest about the cost of their services. There are enough rip off merchants on the internet and this FREE jargon just gives genealogy a bad name David Turnidge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Jenny Williams" <jenny.wil@bigpond.com>; "rootsweb essex" <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Free Site > Hi Jenny > You need to register first to be able to Login. shouldn't be any > restriction cos you're in Aus. > Cheers > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jenny Williams > To: rootsweb essex > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:05 AM > Subject: [Ess] Free Site > > > Re the Free Genealogy site. I tried to log in but it asked for a "LOGIN" > field. Wasn't sure what to put there? Anyone know? Or can't I join from > Australia? > Jenny > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting thread on this subject. One of my family ancestors John St Pier(re) died in 1865 Barkingside Essex. On his death certificate it says "died from a fall" confirmed by Dr. etc. Richard St Pier (son) present at the death. All nice and tidy! When the Old Bailey records came on line I trolled through them and put in a few names one being St Pier. Up popped a murder trial of John St Pier 1866 of Barkingside Essex! It would appear that there was a Saturday night brawl at the Chequers pub in Barkingside (I'm sure as usual they had too much soda pop!) and there was a pushing match! George Moss pushed John St Pier who fell and knocked his head and he died. Full details of the trial are on the Old Bailey site. Point being unless the Old Bailey had not gone on line, from this death certificate I would never had known there was sinister goings on! Good news was that George Moss was found not guilty and released. I am sure that made George feel good as the penalty for murder then was hanging!

Hi Andy When I get on the site there is a registration form right there, but if I fill it in nothing happens , presumably because I don't know what to put in the login box. When I go the other route, via Internet tools, privacy etc nothing happens when I hit Apply. Cheers beth

Re the Free Genealogy site. I tried to log in but it asked for a "LOGIN" field. Wasn't sure what to put there? Anyone know? Or can't I join from Australia? Jenny

Hi Jenny You need to register first to be able to Login. shouldn't be any restriction cos you're in Aus. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny Williams To: rootsweb essex Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:05 AM Subject: [Ess] Free Site Re the Free Genealogy site. I tried to log in but it asked for a "LOGIN" field. Wasn't sure what to put there? Anyone know? Or can't I join from Australia? Jenny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must be missing something on the site as I didn't see anywhere to register, only 3 different membership choices. Is there any data there at all, or only lists of things to buy, which I thought was a no-no on roostweb lists. beth in NS

In a message dated 03/08/2008 08:17:52 GMT Standard Time, david.turnidge@virgin.net writes: If we are not prepared to view what is under the stone we shouldn't lift it. What a brilliant quote! I like it! I recently got 2 sets of family together which led to one set (they lost their parents when children) searching through paperwork kept by the other set when the 2 sets of parents died. 3 letters were found, the content of which which upset and disturbed them. However, I gently advised that they should take into account that out of hundreds of possibly 'good' letters only the 3 disturbing ones had been kept for some reason and therefore shouldn't be taken too seriously, and that they should look positively at the outcome and be thankful that at last they had something tangible to look at and keep that came directly from their parents. After a few days of upset, I think this is indeed what they chose to do. Referring back to my great grandmother and her 'crime' I was pleased to have found the newspaper reports as rather than having a family tree with just names and dates on, I now have a much fuller picture of my family members and what they were like, and realise that people in those days were 'human' and just as vulnerable to the events in life as we are today. Diana

This has been a very good discussion and just to throw in my twopenneth, I would like to say that Genealogy is a warts and all discovery into our past. If we are not prepared to view what is under the stone we shouldn't lift it. Most of us have been a lot more shocked over what we have discovered about our ancestors than just how they died. David Turnidge South Woodham Ferrers

I rarely consider that "sensitive" information must be published, causes of death certainly could be sensitive. There is, however, another point to consider: when I first started researching some thirty-plus years ago (and no doubt some of the list will have been at it longer still) one was told to look at the source of the information, and not rely on a transcription or (heaven forfend) just an index entry. Whilst appreciating that death certificate information is still a transcription, is it wise to depend on yet another version (even if for free)? Surely one's research should be as accurate as possible, and this does include purchasing a certified copy of a death entry, doesn't it? JK

-----Original Message----- From: Dianadiluca@aol.com Sent: 02 August 2008 15:50 <snip> Would I have been able to tell my dad about this? I have no idea. I view things differently to him and knowing all about this case is not a problem to me... <snip> Diana's touching account raises another pertinent issue - it must be relatively (no pun intended) easy for practicing genealogists, amateur or otherwise, to be able to deal with the discovery and unravelling of the more painful and poignant elements of family history that might well prove very distressing for their close relatives to deal with, relatives who are not necessarily interested in digging things up and perhaps would prefer that all the roots of their own tree remained where they should be. If genealogists can be compared to gardeners, then surely once a thread has been tracked deep underground it should then be carefully replanted again, and given a chance to heal itself. Last night I was studying a photo of a stained glass window in our parish church, as part of a current Waltham Abbey Hist Soc project to transcribe all the inscriptions, memorials, tombstones, hatchments, and so on, inside the church. It had been commissioned as a memorial to a local family. The lower quarter of the design consists of a tree trunk, leading to two strong branches that continue up to link into other elements of the design, which I had already examined. But I then noticed a third branch which had been cut off just as it begins to leave the trunk, and guessed that it might represent a sudden or untimely loss of some sort if the tree could be taken to be a family tree. Then I read the inscriptions at the base of the window, which as Elmo invites us to post such information to the list, I now quote in full: In affectionate memory of GEORGE CLEALL of Waltham Abbey Vicarage who fell asleep February 22nd 1941, aged 83 years and of CECILIA, his wife for 56 years, who fell asleep January 29th 1946, aged 86 years. Also of their elder son PERCY CAWDELL CLEALL B.A., Essex Regiment, sometime Staff Captain 200th Infantry Brigade who made the Supreme Sacrifice in France August 26th 1918, aged 28 years. That says it all, doesn't it. For the parents to have passed away during and just after a second Great War must have brought painful memories to the fore. Lawrence PS I'd be happy to email a photo of the window to anyone with a direct interest. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59

-----Original Message----- From: Dianadiluca@aol.com Sent: 02 August 2008 15:50 <snip> Would I have been able to tell my dad about this? I have no idea. I view things differently to him and knowing all about this case is not a problem to me... <snip> Diana's touching account raises another pertinent issue - it must be relatively (no pun intended) easy for practicing genealogists, amateur or otherwise, to be able to deal with the discovery and unravelling of the more painful and poignant elements of family history that might well prove very distressing for their close relatives to deal with, relatives who are not necessarily interested in digging things up and perhaps would prefer that all the roots of their own tree remained where they should be. If genealogists can be compared to gardeners, then surely once a thread has been tracked deep underground it should then be carefully replanted again, and given a chance to heal itself. Last night I was studying a photo of a stained glass window in our parish church, as part of a current Waltham Abbey Hist Soc project to transcribe all the inscriptions, memorials, tombstones, hatchments, and so on, inside the church. It had been commissioned as a memorial to a local family. The lower quarter of the design consists of a tree trunk, leading to two strong branches that continue up to link into other elements of the design, which I had already examined. But I then noticed a third branch which had been cut off just as it begins to leave the trunk, and guessed that it might represent a sudden or untimely loss of some sort if the tree could be taken to be a family tree. Then I read the inscriptions at the base of the window, which as Elmo invites us to post such information to the list, I now quote in full: In affectionate memory of GEORGE CLEALL of Waltham Abbey Vicarage who fell asleep February 22nd 1941, aged 83 years and of CECILIA, his wife for 56 years, who fell asleep January 29th 1946, aged 86 years. Also of their elder son PERCY CAWDELL CLEALL B.A., Essex Regiment, sometime Staff Captain 200th Infantry Brigade who made the Supreme Sacrifice in France August 26th 1918, aged 28 years. That says it all, doesn't it. For the parents to have passed away during and just after a second Great War must have brought painful memories to the fore. Lawrence PS I'd be happy to email a photo of the window to anyone with a direct interest. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59

On 2-Aug-08, at 5:40 AM, Firebird wrote: > Carolyn Perkes wrote: > >> Perhaps there is a middle ground. >> >> I recently shared some information about causes of death of a common >> ancestor with a cousin. . . whose mother had just died of the same >> illness. The information came too late, certainly not at the right >> time. Well, it confirmed things after the fact. I found the >> information helpful, but I do realize that it is not helpful to every >> one of my distant relations. >> >> Perhaps it would be easier, on these lists, if people establish a >> connection, to share such information privately; at least it allows >> people to make judgment calls. . . > > This is why I say there shouldn't be a blanket ban. If people want to > give out CoD then fine, but if people don't, then that's fine too. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, I am not sure about what is meant by a blanket ban. I have received information on CoD for a couple of ancestors posted by members on other lists; since I am researching family history (and I am the only one in my more or less immediate family to do so), I was grateful. That said, sometimes postings on some lists can be accessed by anyone googling the Internet for any given name, and I share the view expressed by others who have related their discoveries, that some types of information, such as CoD, can be extremely sensitive and should not necessarily be so readily available. This list is wonderful, I have had fantastic help here from members who wrote to me privately, which knocked down two significant brick walls (SALTMARSH in Essex and other lines in Scotland). Some of the information provided was indeed sensitive and I am glad that it was not spelled out on the list. In fact, some of it helped me clear up a rumour with my mother that was based on confused information passed down through three generations - it put my mother at ease. On the other hand, some of the information about other ancestors, which I shared with other family members (because they had expressed an interest), only gave rise to a defensive reaction (they were interested until certain truths were revealed). To say, our predecessors had their reasons for keeping secrets, mainly out of good intentions, to avoid passing down hurt and shame imposed in a given timeframe), and I think that intention deserves some respect. Most of us on these lists do have a more compassionate view of the world and the reasons of the human heart, or an ability to put things in context, but this is not the case for everyone. So yes I think people should have a way of sharing information with fellow "gardeners" but I think it is important that privacy be respected. Lawrence expressed this much more poetically. Thank you all for this discussion, it's an important one. Carolyn (Canada)