Hi Listers: Can anyone do a lookup and send me the information on LOUISA POWELL? She had a illigitimate son in 1896 in Paddington. But I have never been able to find her before or after the 1896 birth. She was a domestic servant in 1896 and had the home birth in Paddington. I am crossing my fingers that someone might help me. THanks Heather Straight Ontario Canada

HO107/1936 Weston Super Mare, Somerset CENSUS 2 Page 27/28 F500/501 Park Place William ROBERTS, mrd, 69, Gentleman, b. London Elizabeth, 60, b. Essex Sarah, 40, b. London Ann, dau, 37, do Ellen Wallinger, dau, mrd, 36, do Laura Roberts, dau, 33, do Clara, 29, do Sarah, 28, do Eliza, 23, do Sarah Nott, svt, 30, b. Carhampton, Som. Jane RUSELL, svt, 24, b. Walton, Essex Caroline Hazzard, svt, 23, b. Lydney, Glos Elizabeth Baker, svt, 19, b. Ashcombe, Som. Page 28/29 F501 Park Place, Grenville Terrace. Amelia EGERTON, 26, Governess, b. Colchester, Essex head: Maria Johnstone, Annuitant CENSUS 3 Page 42/F536 Marlbro' Buildings, Coast Guard Cottage Robert POYNTER, 51, Chief Boatman Coast Guard, b. Canewdon, Essex Ann, 50, wife, b. Leigh Appenea, dau, 12, scholar, b. Middleton Charlotte, 10, do do Thomas Mullins, visitor, 23, Mariner, b. Ireland

There are several possibilities. Do you have any idea about her age or birthplace? 1891 England Census about Louisa Powell Name: Louisa Powell Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Islington, London, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 72 Tollington Park Occupation: Housemaid Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Susan Leggatt 23 Louisa Powell 20 Alice Schilsky 43 Bertha Schilsky 46 Jos Hy Schilsky 30 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 147; Folio 92; Page 5 1891 England Census about Louisa Powell Name: Louisa Powell Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Hereford Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John The Evangelist Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: Knightsbridge All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Ennismore Gardens 33-35 Occupation: Domestic Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: St Margaret Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frank Adfield 24 Adelarde Berhrauch 28 Kate Bryan 29 Elizabeth Ferguson 59 Margaret Forbes 46 Stanley Gardiner 56 Emily A E Hanner 62 Emily Hazell 33 Selina James 52 Minnie J King 22 Beatrice C Mitchell 25 Caroline A Mitchell 63 James Mitchell 81 Louisa Morgan 18 Louisa Powell 17 Charlotte Skelton 28 Louisa Ward 19 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 84; Folio 30; Page 54; 1891 England Census about Louisa Powell Name: Louisa Powell Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Bloomsbury, London, England Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 57 Camden Road Occupation: Domestic Servant Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Louisa Powell 31 Alexander Scott 5 Arthur William Scott 42 Catherine Scott 36 Leycenter Percy Scott 3 Winifred May Ferris Scott 8 Florence Stone 18 Charles Terris 68 Selina Terris 64 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 131; Folio 132; Page 56; 1891 England Census about Louisa Esther Powell Name: Louisa Esther Powell Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Westminster, London, England Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 99 Cornwall Road Occupation: Parlor Maid Class: RG12; Piece: 33; Folio 5; Page 1; Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Anne On 15 Aug 2008, at 03:43, Peter Straight wrote: > Hi Listers: > Can anyone do a lookup and send me the information on > LOUISA POWELL? She had a illigitimate son in 1896 in Paddington. > But I have > never been able to find her before or after the 1896 birth. She was a > domestic servant in 1896 and had the home birth in Paddington. > I am crossing my fingers that someone might help me. > THanks > Heather Straight > Ontario Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Heather The name of the son and if you have it, the name of the family she was working for would make things easier. Cheers Steve Peter Straight wrote: > Hi Listers: > Can anyone do a lookup and send me the information on > LOUISA POWELL? She had a illigitimate son in 1896 in Paddington. But I have > never been able to find her before or after the 1896 birth. She was a > domestic servant in 1896 and had the home birth in Paddington. > I am crossing my fingers that someone might help me. > THanks > Heather Straight > Ontario Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someone please look for a marriage between; Thomas? Catlin & Katherine Hoy, about 1685. Thanks.

Hi Jenny, I have KNAPPs in Surrey & Sussex, but I am not aware of a connection to Essex. Charles & Sarah KNAPP had 6 children, inc Thomas (my 4x g gf) 1783 Carshalton SRY - 1867 Henfield SSX. Kind regards, Jacqui -----Original Message----- From: John Tutty [mailto:johntutty@unwired.com.au] Sent: 13 August 2008 21:55 To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] KNAPP FAMILY Hello fellow researchers I have just joined the List and my first question is this, is anyone researching a KNAPP line? I have just begun to research my Knapp line and so I will firstly sketch a few details. Generation One. George KNAPP married Louisa MORTON Generation Two. One of their children was William Hyde KNAPP who married Susannah WILSON 1836 in Kent; William Hyde died 1892 Hackney Union Infirmary. Generation Three. One of the children of William and Susannah was Arthur Wilson KNAPP b 1840 Hoxton Old Town, married Catherine FAIERS 1870 Nayland, Suffolk, and he died 1850 Ilford, Essex. If there is anyone out there who may be connected I would love to hear from you and share the Australian side of the family. Best wishes.....Jenny in Oz

My g-grandmother was Emily Louisa and her youngest sister was Emily. The mother also Emily needless to say ! (Same as your Sarah). So three Emilys in the household at one time. Francis > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Diane wynne > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:43 AM > To: Essex > Subject: [Ess] Children's names > > I've been trawling through the parish registers of Harwich and have found > the baptisms of the following children: > > Sarah daughter of Henry and Sarah Deane baptised November 5 1764 > Sarah Maria daughter of Henry and Sarah Deane baptised December 3 1766 > > There is no burial record for the first Sarah and the family didn't move > away from Harwich. > Also there was only one set of parents called Henry and Sarah at the time. > > The question is, how likely is it that parents would have two living > children, one called Sarah and one called Sarah Maria? > > Thanks > Diane > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This discussion reminded me of a certificate I have that made me smile. When my g-g-g-uncle, having spent 15 years in India, returned to England and left the army he married. On the certificate his father is named accurately, but is described as a labourer. This is in 1868. I can find no trace of his father in any record after September 1832, and I am prepared to take a small bet that the person filling in the form substituted labourer as the groom hadn't a clue what his father had been doing (assuming he was still alive!) after he'd sailed for India in 1849. Mind, if anyone can disprove that by finding a William Thurgood, born in Hempstead, after 1832, I'd be overjoyed! Adrian

Thanks very much to everyone to responded re the above. Much appreciated. Regards, Anne

In a message dated Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:36:01 -0600 GMT Daylight Time, Margo Mckinstry _McKinstryMJ@familysearch.org_ (mailto:McKinstryMJ@familysearch.org) writes: So let's try this again. I am going to the conference in Colchester at the end of August. One of the free days, my colleague and I are going to attempt to travel over to Chelmsford and Galleywood Common to "walk" the land that my ancestors lived on. My problem is that we will be on foot (per se) and will be relying on the buses to get us to and from Chelmsford. Hi Margo _www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk_ (http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk) is one site. This suggests you travel between Colchester and Chelmsford by train, but as the bus station is opposite the railway station you should be OK. The journey between Colchester and Chelmsford takes quite a long time by service bus, but the train journey is much more expensive - it's up to you! Essex County Council at _www.essexcc.gov.uk/microsites/travel/public.htm_ (http://www.essexcc.gov.uk/microsites/travel/public.htm) has links to bus and rail services in the county (as well as to Traveline [above]) but doesn't try to integrate them. Don't forget to check the journey back as well. many of the bus services are few and far between and they may finish early in the afternoon - much as though I think you will enjoy the experience of walking round Essex (despite the current unseasonable rainy days), I wouldn't want you to be stranded on the Common overnight! DaveD I raise money for charity just by searching the web! www.everyclick.com is an internet search engine with a big difference - it donates half its revenues to charity, please support them too!

Margo, I seem to remember lots of detailed replies to this query last time; perhaps the quickest way to find them again is via the Rootsweb (online) archive. Regards, Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margo Mckinstry Hello Listers! I have written this request before but my work has recently changed e-mail programs and the saved e-mails became unreadable - AAGH! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 12/08/2008 16:59

Can anyone help me to find out about Rook Hall, Maldon. I have ancestors there in the 1881 census, and would like to find out more about the place. In anticiption, Anne

Hello fellow researchers I have just joined the List and my first question is this, is anyone researching a KNAPP line? I have just begun to research my Knapp line and so I will firstly sketch a few details. Generation One. George KNAPP married Louisa MORTON Generation Two. One of their children was William Hyde KNAPP who married Susannah WILSON 1836 in Kent; William Hyde died 1892 Hackney Union Infirmary. Generation Three. One of the children of William and Susannah was Arthur Wilson KNAPP b 1840 Hoxton Old Town, married Catherine FAIERS 1870 Nayland, Suffolk, and he died 1850 Ilford, Essex. If there is anyone out there who may be connected I would love to hear from you and share the Australian side of the family. Best wishes.....Jenny in Oz

I have an instance on a marriage certificate when the groom's father is quoted as "John Allen" (a very common name), "Labourer" (a common but untraceable occupation) and "Deceased". He was definitely illegitimate, as was his half brother, and we doubt that even his mother knew who the father was! The information on any certificate is only as reliable as the person supplying the information. And if they don't know (or want anyone else to know) the truth, they will change what they say. Heather Trevor Brown wrote: > In my family there is one instance of the groom (his mother unmarried), > naming his grandfather as his father on his wedding certificate. I think > that it is perfectly understandable why a groom would be reluctant to admit > to his in-laws and possibly his bride, that he does not know who his father > was. > > On another occasion, the groom in collusion with his stepfather, gave his > own name as his father, on his marriage certificate. > > Trevor in NZ > >

Thank you very much for this post Raymond -------------------------------------------------- From: "RAYMOND BISHOP" <raybishop.uk@btopenworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:40 PM To: "Sandy Boleware" <sandyboleware@hotmail.com>; <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ess] Chelsea Pensioner Archives request > Sandy, > > Strictly speaking this is not relevant to Essex Rootsweb as your > references all relate to the county of Gloucestershire. You will find more > information relating to this branch of your family if you subscribe to > Gloucestershire Rootsweb. There is also a Military Rootsweb, see: > http://www.helleniccomserve.com/rootswebmilitrecords.html > However, records of Chelsea Pensioners are held by the National Archives:

In my family there is one instance of the groom (his mother unmarried), naming his grandfather as his father on his wedding certificate. I think that it is perfectly understandable why a groom would be reluctant to admit to his in-laws and possibly his bride, that he does not know who his father was. On another occasion, the groom in collusion with his stepfather, gave his own name as his father, on his marriage certificate. Trevor in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Massey" <karen_staines@hotmail.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: [Ess] Grandfather named as father on marriage cert? > > > > My ancester Sarah Ann Bailey was born in Orsett around 1850 and i want to > trace her parents. On the census i found her living with her grandfather > WILLIAM BAILEY but never with her parents. > I ordered 2 birth certificates that i though it could be, one was > definatley wrong whilst the other gave the mother as EMMA BAILEY and > Father as Unknown. William Bailey had a daughter called Emma so this is > possible. I also ordered Sarah's wedding certificate and the father named > on it was WILLIAM BAILEY. The grandfather WILLIAM also had a son called > WILLIAM. Confused yet??!! > The second william would have only been 14 when Sarah was born. > > I think that perhaps her mother was EMMA BAILEY and she gave her > grandfathers name as her father on the wedding certificate as her bought > her up. Is this a logical theory? > > Thanks in advance > Karen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hi Karen I have a very similar case with some of my wife's ancestors. Her grand-mother Emma BELL was born in London. In February 1901 she gave birth to a daughter before she married, but in the 1901 census which was held shortly afterwards she was recorded as married - but without the father in sight. However, on the child's birth certificate, both the informant and the father are shown as a John BELL and we know that he was not the child's father nor was it her father's name. So who was the mysterious John? We cannot find him in the 1901 census. What I do not understand is what - on a birth certificate - does "Name and surname of father" mean. It can be interpreted as meaning 'father of the child' or 'father of the woman who has given birth to the child'. You can almost hear the local Registrar saying to the informant "and who are you?" perhaps meaning 'are you the father of the child'. To that question the informant could easily say he was 'father' if he was the woman's father. Strange. John - Suffolk -----Original Message----- From: Karen Massey [mailto:karen_staines@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 August 2008 20:31 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Grandfather named as father on marriage cert? My ancester Sarah Ann Bailey was born in Orsett around 1850 and i want to trace her parents. On the census i found her living with her grandfather WILLIAM BAILEY but never with her parents. I ordered 2 birth certificates that i though it could be, one was definatley wrong whilst the other gave the mother as EMMA BAILEY and Father as Unknown. William Bailey had a daughter called Emma so this is possible. I also ordered Sarah's wedding certificate and the father named on it was WILLIAM BAILEY. The grandfather WILLIAM also had a son called WILLIAM. Confused yet??!! The second william would have only been 14 when Sarah was born. I think that perhaps her mother was EMMA BAILEY and she gave her grandfathers name as her father on the wedding certificate as her bought her up. Is this a logical theory? Thanks in advance Karen _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg's & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/

Hello Listers! I have written this request before but my work has recently changed e-mail programs and the saved e-mails became unreadable - AAGH! So let's try this again. I am going to the conference in Colchester at the end of August. One of the free days, my colleague and I are going to attempt to travel over to Chelmsford and Galleywood Common to "walk" the land that my ancestors lived on - George & Charlotte (Drake) WEBB m. 1826 with children Isabella, Daniel, Jane, Elizabeth, Henry, Eliza and William. My problem is that we will be on foot (per se) and will be relying on the buses to get us to and from Chelmsford. Several of you wonderful listers gave me invaluable directions that have since been lost (please read the first sentence :o) and I would appreciate a patient repeat from you if possible. Thank you so much in advance! Margo McKinstry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Sandy, Strictly speaking this is not relevant to Essex Rootsweb as your references all relate to the county of Gloucestershire. You will find more information relating to this branch of your family if you subscribe to Gloucestershire Rootsweb. There is also a Military Rootsweb, see: http://www.helleniccomserve.com/rootswebmilitrecords.html However, records of Chelsea Pensioners are held by the National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Their records can be searched at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp The Department or Series Code to be entered for Chelsea Pension records is WO97 (WO being the code for the War Office) I searched for "Osborne AND Gloucestershire" and only found the following 2 references. WO 97/197/58 JAMES OSBORNE Born COULEY, Gloucestershire Served in 2nd Foot Guards; Royal Marines Discharged aged 42 1805-1831 WO 97/608/25 GEORGE OSBORNE Born BRISTOL, Gloucestershire Served in 46th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 34 1815-1821 You could expand the search by changing the spelling of Osborne eg Osbourn(e) or omitting Gloucestershire. If you find your Thomas Osborne you could place another posting asking if anyone is visiting the National Archives (I will be going there within the next month). However, their website says: This series is currently undergoing digitisation. Access to certain pieces will be disrupted over the next 3 years and advance ordering of this series is not possible during this time. Please check with us that the pieces that you wish to consult are not affected before you travel. Good luck, Ray Sandy Boleware <sandyboleware@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, I've just subscribed to the list. I'm hoping that SKS going to the Archives could look up a man who may/may not be an ancestor. Thomas OSBORNE, widower, md. Ann BARRETT on 24 Jul 1814 in Alveston, Gloucestershire. He was "above full age." He b. several children in Alveston, his occupation was labouror. When his eldest daughter was married in 1844 his occupation was lime burner. I believe I've found him in 1841 with the occupation of lime burner. Searching for an Ann OSBORNE born Alveston, husband Thomas, one couple came up on Ancestry: 1851 census Thomas OSBORNE age 58 (b. abt 1793) POB Winterbourne; Ann OSBORNE age 61 (b. abt 1790) POB AlvestonCivil Parish: Thornbury County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: Kington TythingOccupation: Chelsea PensionerSource Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1957; Folio: 331; Page: 9; GSU roll: 87357.1861 census Thomas OSBORNE age 72 (b. abt 1791) POB Alveston; w. Ann OSBORNE age 72 (b. abt 1791) POB Alveston Relationship to head: Father/Mother-in-law, noted as wife's parents.Civil Parish: Thornbury Ecclesiastical parish: Thornbury County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: CrosswaysOccupation: Chelsea PensionerSource Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1748; Folio: 61; Page: 16; GSU roll: 542862. 1871 census Thomas OSBORNE age 80 (b. abt 1791) POB Wenterbourne (sic) Head WidowerCivil Parish: Thornbury Ecclesiasticaparish: Thornbury Town: Kington County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: 29 Cross WaysOccupation: Pensioner ChelseaSource Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2586; Folio: 57; Page: 6; GSU roll: 835274.1881 census Thomas OSBORNE age 92 (b. abt 1789) POB Alveston Relationship: Father-in-law WidowerCivil Parish: Thornbury County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: Crossways LaneOccupation: Chelsea Pensioner Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2515; Folio: 52; Page: 4; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341607. In the 1861 census, the words Chelsea Pensioner are followed by 5 Royal and another word which is hard to make out, but another lister thought it looks like "Vetrans" sic. Doing a search on the net, it looks like the 5th Royal Veterans Battalion was in existence around 1810. I'm hoping SKS could look up Thomas OSBORNE for me, and tell me the details. I've tried searching on A2A, and depending on my search terms (Thomas Osborne/Thomas Osborne Chelsea Pensioner/Osborne 5th Royal Veterans) I either get thousands of hit, or none. TIA, SandySandy, Kennewick, WA, USA _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny De Angelis Sent: 12 August 2008 10:28 <snip> The mother married a couple of years later but did not take her illegitimate son to live with her and her husband so I can only assume that the husband was not the boys father and perhaps the mother never told her husband that she had already got a son by someone else, who knows? In my tree, census records strongly suggest that the girl's mum was already 'with' the man she was to marry a couple of years later, so I presume that he was the father of the illegitimate girl, and yet she never had any connection with his family in later years. I think it possible that she never knew who her real parents were. What a mess that makes of my ancestry charts! Lawrence No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22