Essex Record Office reference Q/Rsa 1/6 Mother Emma Bailey 1849 Billericay but putative father is blank. Not Orsett though. Glynis >> >> Karen Massey wrote: >> >> > My ancester Sarah Ann Bailey was born in Orsett around 1850 and i >> > want to trace her parents. On the census i found her living with >> > her grandfather WILLIAM BAILEY but never with her parents. I >> > ordered 2 birth certificates that i though it could be, one was >> > definatley wrong whilst the other gave the mother as EMMA BAILEY >> > and Father as Unknown. William Bailey had a daughter called Emma so >> > this is possible. I also ordered Sarah's wedding certificate and >> > the father named on it was WILLIAM BAILEY. The grandfather WILLIAM >> > also had a son called WILLIAM. Confused yet??!! The second william >> > would have only been 14 when Sarah was born. >> > >> > I think that perhaps her mother was EMMA BAILEY and she gave her >> > grandfathers name as her father on the wedding certificate as her >> > bought her up. Is this a logical theory?

Olive, When working with immigrants, I always try to stay in the country they landed in. In your case, you need to study records in the U.S. Hopefully, she stayed in the same place in the States. Naturalization and Citizenship records will be key for you and they are very comprehensive for that time period. Although I am originally eastern Canadian myself and have no U.S. emigrants, I know that there is more than one piece of paper to the Naturalization and Citizenship collection for each state. There are petitions, declarations and others. You may want to check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org> and see what is available to you on film at your local LDS Family History Center for these records. Very possibly, through this collection, you will discover the names of her parents or her exact place of birth in Ireland and other pertinent information. Also, when does she say that she came into the States? It is a column in the U.S. census from 1900-1930. That will give you a hint on where to search for her shipping record? If she lived in New York, she may have come in through Ellis Island (www.ellisislandrecords.org<http://www.ellisislandrecords.org>) and if not there, there are numerous other ports to check. The Naturalization and Citizenship records may give you those details, even down to the name of her ship. Also, you can check www.immigrantships.net<http://www.immigrantships.net> which is a volunteer site and growing by the day with numerous shipping manifests. All of the above mentioned sites are free to use. Remember the mantra "Go from the known to the unknown" - in other words, stay in the U.S. and back her out of that country first before searching for endless possibilities in England. Happy Hunting! Margo McKinstry, AG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hi all, I know a few of you have already done some looking up for me, which I really appreciate, but I still have not been able to find the right Mary Elizabeth Duffy. The one I thought was the right one born West Ham, Essex 1898 was not the one after all. Mary's marriage certificate in 1920 states her as being 25 years old which means she would have to have been born in 1895, her father named as James Duffy (then deceased in 1920). I'm trying Essex first because this is where she married and had the first child, so hopefully Essex is where they came from. Any extra help would really be appreciated. Thank you, Olive Bandy

Olive Following on from Caroline Bradford's warning, I realise you are in Australia and perhaps don't have the grasp of English geography that some of us take for granted, but there are techniques for testing whether your assumptions are likely. FreeBMD is almost complete for the period when you assume Mary was born, and between Mar 1894 and Dec 1895 there are 27 Mary Duffy registrations. Almost all of them are in the North of the country. Similarly, in Ancestry's indexes to the 1901 census there are 21 entries for "Mary Duffy" and "Father = James". Nine are in Lancashire, five in Yorkshire, four in Durham, and one in Northumberland. The remaining two are in London - but one is a child of four, and the other is aged 25. There are three named "Mary E" - two are in Lancashire, born 1893 and 1896, and one is in Yorkshire, born 1896. But to put that in context, there were 1125 Duffys in the 1901 census who were born in Ireland! FreeBMD has ten Mary Elizabeths born between 1890 and 1899. There is one for "Mary Elizabeth A" in Jun 1895, Woolwich 1d 1308. Woolwich is in Kent (on the south bank of the Thames) but North Woolwich is in Essex (on the other side of the river). Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a likely entry for her that I can find in the 1901 census. What else do you know about her or her family? Dick Mathews Olive and Bob Bandy wrote: > Hi all, > I know a few of you have already done some looking up for me, which I really appreciate, but I still have not been able to find the right Mary Elizabeth Duffy. The one I thought was the right one born West Ham, Essex 1898 was not the one after all. > > Mary's marriage certificate in 1920 states her as being 25 years old which means she would have to have been born in 1895, her father named as James Duffy (then deceased in 1920). > > I'm trying Essex first because this is where she married and had the first child, so hopefully Essex is where they came from. > > Any extra help would really be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Olive Bandy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1621 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:53 PM > > >

Hi Olive You are making some very big assumptions here. Even if she was 25 on her wedding day (and as has already been mentioned, one cannot always rely on this being accurate), she could have been exactly 25 (i.e. married on her birthday) or on the brink of being 26 (birthday the next day). So you need to consider candidates born in 1894 as well. Nor is it sensible to restrict your search to Essex - she could have been born anywhere and moved to Essex as a baby, just before her marriage or any time in between. Best wishes Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Olive and Bob Bandy > Sent: 20 August 2008 10:22 > To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ess] Mary Duffy > > Hi all, > I know a few of you have already done some looking up for me, which I > really appreciate, but I still have not been able to find the right > Mary Elizabeth Duffy. The one I thought was the right one born West > Ham, Essex 1898 was not the one after all. > > Mary's marriage certificate in 1920 states her as being 25 years old > which means she would have to have been born in 1895, her father named > as James Duffy (then deceased in 1920). > > I'm trying Essex first because this is where she married and had the > first child, so hopefully Essex is where they came from. > > Any extra help would really be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Olive Bandy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

do n ot believe all that is written on certificates as peple can distort their ages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olive and Bob Bandy" <oliveandbob@bigpond.com> To: <> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: [Ess] Mary Duffy > Hi all, > I know a few of you have already done some looking up for me, which I > really appreciate, but I still have not been able to find the right Mary > Elizabeth Duffy. The one I thought was the right one born West Ham, Essex > 1898 was not the one after all. > > Mary's marriage certificate in 1920 states her as being 25 years old which > means she would have to have been born in 1895, her father named as James > Duffy (then deceased in 1920). > > I'm trying Essex first because this is where she married and had the first > child, so hopefully Essex is where they came from. > > Any extra help would really be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Olive Bandy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

When working through the "complete" BMD looking for relatives, it is necessary to take careful note of the page numbers at the top. I have found them in reverse order, sections out of order and, as mentioned here, just plain not there. As far as I can see, the only way to deal with these is to email support@ancestry.co.uk and give them as much detail as possible about the problem found, which then does get sorted. Eventually. Cheers Steve J. Buck wrote: > I have been searching the S series on Ancestry - didn't realize there were > missing pages - that's why I've drawn a blank on some of my SNELL searches. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Csgen50@aol.com> > To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Disappeared rellie > > >> I would just like to thank all those that helped this afternnoon to >> demolish >> my brick wall. >> Things may have been made easier had the info. written on the backs of >> photos been correct. The death of my aunt being at least 10 years later >> than >> suggested, and her wedding 3 years earlier. Also Ancestry losing 16 pages >> of "S" >> during the period of my searching was just another little twist. No >> wonder cuz >> in Oz was getting frustrated. >> I don't know of another gene. list where everyone is so helpful. Suffolk >> comes a close 2nd. >> Regards, Mick. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning List, I am searching for the parents of John Nunn born abt 1805 Coggershall, Essex. John married Eliza Giles in 1832 Leigh, Kent. Any help on this is very much appreciated. Children: Alfred, Diana, Eliza, Henry, Henry A, John, Thos, William Best wishes Amanda - Victoria, Australia

Memorials/ plates/windows inside Rickilng church Langley Collin - rector Phillips Judd Burgess Judd - midshipman died at sea 1854 aged 17 WW1 memorial plaque Basham Cook Pryke Sanders Johnson WW1 memorial plaque Andrews Banks Clayden Clements Davis Gray Holland Inglis Judd Johnson Ketteridge King Law Negus Perry Shrimpton Stanley I've photos of these if anyone is researching them. Colleen

Thurstan Winter Rose Roberts Cawte Clarke Salmon Negus Silverstone Robinson Osborne JT 1760 HC 1828 Holmes Russell Sumner Wright Eldridge Marsh Smith Perrin - or similar name Pollock Leonard Plus one whihc looks like ??Crammer Byng?? Have photos of these if anyone is researching them.

Thank you. I've never heard of bastardy papers. Where would i be able to find them? > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:08:33 +0100 > From: sparrer@gmail.com > To: karen_staines@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] Grandfather named as father on marriage cert? > > Karen Massey wrote: > > > My ancester Sarah Ann Bailey was born in Orsett around 1850 and i > > want to trace her parents. On the census i found her living with > > her grandfather WILLIAM BAILEY but never with her parents. I > > ordered 2 birth certificates that i though it could be, one was > > definatley wrong whilst the other gave the mother as EMMA BAILEY > > and Father as Unknown. William Bailey had a daughter called Emma so > > this is possible. I also ordered Sarah's wedding certificate and > > the father named on it was WILLIAM BAILEY. The grandfather WILLIAM > > also had a son called WILLIAM. Confused yet??!! The second william > > would have only been 14 when Sarah was born. > > > > I think that perhaps her mother was EMMA BAILEY and she gave her > > grandfathers name as her father on the wedding certificate as her > > bought her up. Is this a logical theory? > > > It's perfectly feasible. > > The second certificate would appear to be the correct one. > > Since it was possible for a 14 year old boy to have legally married > with parental consent at that time, there's no reason why he could not > have been a father at that age. However, I think it's highly unlikely > that Sarah was the product of an incestuous relationship between Emma > and her brother William! > > I think you've come up with the correct deduction. The next step will > be to look for any bastardy papers or examinations there may have > been. Look also in the poor law books. I've found a number of > mentions of examinations there which have also named the alleged > father but for which there were no extant bastardy papers. The Petty > Sessions might also produce information. _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/

I have been searching the S series on Ancestry - didn't realize there were missing pages - that's why I've drawn a blank on some of my SNELL searches. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csgen50@aol.com> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Disappeared rellie >I would just like to thank all those that helped this afternnoon to >demolish > my brick wall. > Things may have been made easier had the info. written on the backs of > photos been correct. The death of my aunt being at least 10 years later > than > suggested, and her wedding 3 years earlier. Also Ancestry losing 16 pages > of "S" > during the period of my searching was just another little twist. No > wonder cuz > in Oz was getting frustrated. > I don't know of another gene. list where everyone is so helpful. Suffolk > comes a close 2nd. > Regards, Mick. > > > > > >

Mick, Tangent - if your (uncle? - sorry - forgotten who we are talking about - silly of me!) was at Habbaniya, are you aware of the Iraqi revolt an dthe events at Habbaniyah? They are covered in "The War that Never Was" by Tony Dudgeon. Hope that is of interest, Adrian

Mick A couple of things. Are you sure it was her wedding and that she was not a bridesmaid? OR for some reason did the wedding not take place. You mention your father and her brother - was her father still living then? if yes strange he is not in the photo! You mention her having two sons - have you any BDM on them? re your father, I assume from what you are saying he was in mufti, not uniform? when did your father and uncle (I am assuming this) join up? have you contact with the uncle? or have you tried to locate him? could the dates be just prior to or very early in the war? bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csgen50@aol.com> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: [Ess] Disappeared rellie > Good morning, > > I have an aunt, Diana Julie Stow born Q1 1924, Malden, 4a - 1282. Last > know > to me in the late 1950's early 60s, when she supposedly died of cancer. > She > lived in Tollesbury and joined the Land Army in WW2. > Then the mystery begins. I have photos of her wedding taken in front of a > church door, with my late father her brother present in RAF uniform. > Knowing > his service was most mostly overseas until the end of the war, dates the > wedding circa '44 / '45. My father was demobbed late 45. > Another rellie in Oz has been searching the BMD's on line, through > Ancestry, > and cannot find a wedding recorded at any time or place. Under her > married > name, which I believe to be Curtis, she had 2 sons Colin and Martin born > between '46 and '50, but again there are no records of either birth. Even > more > mysterious is that we cannot find any record of her death. She would seem > to > have disappeared. Does anyone know if the BMDs on Ancestry are totally > complete > or might there have been a few transcription losses? > Of course my memory might be incorrect (I was just a lad) and the married > name might not be Curtis, hence the reason why we cannot find the boys > births or > Dianas death, but there should be a record of the wedding in the name > of > Stow somewhere. > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated but please take into > consideration that I don't live in the UK but S. France so my doing actual > look ups of > records is impossible. > > Regards, Mick. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2342 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Come and hear Rosemary and Mark speak at the ESFH/Suffolk FHS conference in Colchester on Sunday August 31st. I'm still taking bookings. See www.esfh.org.uk Heather ESFH -----Original Message----- From: Sue Gunn [mailto:sue.gunn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 17 August 2008 11:40 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] great book re Paglesham people Does everyone with rellies from this area know of the book ( £12.99) called Paglesham natives with loads of genea in it as well as local history and family trees, I can do look ups as i bought it. I have an interest but no rellies from this place, names I can remember that are in this book Wiseman and Pettit, Browning, Emberson, Laver, Kemp and Hall. Written by Mark and Rosemary Roberts and with lots of pictures of people and places ISBN 0 95 163 703 7, seems to have been published by the authors not a publishing company

192.com has a Martin.B.Hammond listed in Croydon. Unfortunately there is no address and telephone number, just an entry in the electoral roll. Perhaps someone with credits would get the details for you. Heather ESFH -----Original Message----- From: Csgen50@aol.com [mailto:Csgen50@aol.com] Sent: 17 August 2008 14:41 To: gen2mail@googlemail.com; Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Disappeared rellie Hi JK, That is absolutely marvelous of you. At last we have found them with your help. I remembered visiting the family once in Croydon but as I got the name totally wrong I thought that maybe I had got that wrong as well. My father had obviously made a mistake in the photo album. He has written the name Colin under the photo of a baby that is dated on the back April 1947. Obviously this was in fact Martin. Very many thanks for your speedy help, Mick

Hello Folks Tracking my illusive rellies is proving too frustrating, so I'll try my wife's family. Found them in the 1851 census for Hornsey, Middlesex: Thomas JOSLIN, 25, Stone mason, born Shenfield, Essex. Catherine JOSLIN, 22 (m.s. WOOD) Mary Anne JOSLIN, 1 And 1841, Chelmsford, Essex Benjamin JOSLIN, 40, Stone mason, born Chelmsford Mary jOSLIN, 40 (m.s. FLETCHER) Benjamin 17 Thomas 15 (25 in 1851) Mary 14 Martha 13 George 12 William 10 David 7 Joseph 5 Anyone have info on the JOSLINs in essex pre 1841? Best wishes Frank Early South Africa

Delighted to help. This looks like her death: Mar qtr 1971 Diana Julia HAMMOND b13 Ja 1924 d Westminster ref 5e 2225 JK On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:41 PM, <Csgen50@aol.com> wrote: > Hi JK, > > That is absolutely marvelous of you. At last we have found them with your > help. I remembered visiting the family once in Croydon but as I got the name > totally wrong I thought that maybe I had got that wrong as well. > > My father had obviously made a mistake in the photo album. He has written > the name Colin under the photo of a baby that is dated on the back April > 1947. Obviously this was in fact Martin. > > Very many thanks for your speedy help, > Mick >

Sorry Peter, But I have to disagree with that, having photos of all churches in the Maldon area essexchurches only has 4 Maldon/Heybridge churches when there are at least 13. Nine in Maldon town centre alone. That is unless you are limiting yourself to C of E only, and then only "old" churches. Regards Steve Peter Layzell wrote: > http://www.essexchurches.com/ > has photos of all Essex Churches in the Maldon area > You could compare your photo with their to identify the Parish. > > www.essex-family-history.org.uk as photos of all churches in the southern > end of Maldon District but I guess that the wedding probably took place in > Tollesbury which is the north part of Maldon District. > > > Peter > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.essexchurches.com/ has photos of all Essex Churches in the Maldon area You could compare your photo with their to identify the Parish. www.essex-family-history.org.uk as photos of all churches in the southern end of Maldon District but I guess that the wedding probably took place in Tollesbury which is the north part of Maldon District. Peter