I can't quite read address or profession of John CAMPION in 1841 census. HO/107/492/8/21 Woolwich Is he a 'Beadle of the Court of requests'? And if so, what is this?! And was he living at 'Elysian Fields'? Can anyone decipher for me please. Carol

Hello List I have one more burning question and then I will stop bombarding the List with questions. <SNIP> From: -----Original Message----- From: "JFHH" [johnfhhgen@uwclub.net] Date: 27/08/2008 08:13 PM On the evidence you have posted, I am not convinced that William Hyde KNAPP dying in 1892 in the Infirmary is the father. Although I am keeping an open mind, I think it may well be the son. These are the William Knapp's around in Middlesex in 1841, besides "your" Will KNAPP: <End of Snip> John I am now, more than convinced that my death certificate is for William Jr. Going forward with the comments from John I would like to order the birth certificate of William Jr born c1838 son of William however I can not find a reference for his birth in the Free BDM. The 1841 census for Tower Hamlets Shoreditch obtained from a friend seems to have Y against place of birth and the 1851 census says Woolwich Kent. John has kindly listed all William KNAPP's around in Middlesex in 1841 and there are three possible contenders born 1838 Kensington Middlesex, St Marylebone Middlesex, St Leonard Shoreditch. My money is on Shoreditch however I am wondering if Woolwich Kent may be correct. Has anyone out there got a magic wand to wave for me? Yours in hope Jenny (Australia)

On 26-Aug-08, at 10:13 AM, barbara scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Perkes" <cperkes@videotron.ca > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:36 AM > Subject: [Ess] Great and Little Hallingbury > > I think you've rather answered your own question by stating that it > is a rural area! Like everything else, farming was becoming much > more industrialised in the 19th century and machines were taking the > places of many agricultural labourers. Rural life (for the > labouring classes) was as bad, if not worse than life in the poorest > area of the cities. Many farm workers lived in tied accomodation, > so as soon as they were too old or infirm to work, they were thrown > out and usually ended up in the workhouse. Families were large by > today's standards, so there were more and more people chasing few > and fewer jobs. > > The cities and/or emigration offered work and a chance of > betterment. Many of my ancestors from the Essex/Hertfordshire > borders ended up as bricklayers in London, which was then a city in > rapid construction. I haven't actually added it up but I would say > that a good 90% of my ancestors who had been born into a rural/ > agricultural labourer background ended up in London by 1890. > > Although I have only a couple of connections in Great and Little > Hallingbury, my main SEARLE line came from Bishop's Stortford, a few > miles to the west in Hertfordshire. My 3xgt. grandfather died in > Hertford prison after being arrested whilst carrying out a burglary > and three of his sons were transported to Australia for quite (by > today's standards) minor crimes. So, rural living conditions were > pretty harsh and so was the punishment handed out for crime. > > If you google "rural life 1800s", you will find quite a few websites > that will give you some idea of what life was like in the > countryside in that period. > > Barbara Will google further. My people from Essex, at least as far as I can tell, were Saltmarshes and Thurleys (some of the Thurleys got transported to Australia). The ancestor who arrived in Canada became a landscape gardener and later, a park superintendant. Carolyn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Croft" <andrea.croft@ntlworld.com> To: <Essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [Ess] Looking for COTTERILL surname or variants in Essex area! > Dear List, > > I wondered if anyone has any interest in the Cotterill surname, > > mine is one Edmund Cotterill Parsons, whose father was Thomas Parsons, of > southshoebury, Edmund being born in 1781, to Thomas and Sarah, who was a > Nash, some doubt as to Edmunds legitimacy, as i now going over my old > records cannot find their marriage. > > Just hope someone will reply, as i have trouble sometimes of going on too > long!!! > > ( Been a member of the list for some time, but don't make too many > e-mails, so lack practise of asking, therefore, when i do, i don't get > many replies, cause of waffling on). Their i've said it! Thanks, A > CROFT. In Leicestershire. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "CAROL BROWN" <carolstree@btinternet.com> Subject: [Ess] Gladys Mary KENNEDY b 1929 Hi Carol, She's registered as Gladys M. in the next quarter (Dec). Birmingham North. Vol 6d Page 572. Mother's surname COLE. Barbara > Please could someone look up Gladys Mary KENNEDY's birth > details? she was b 3 Sept 1929 in Birmingham, and I want to > know her mother's maiden name. Failed to find in library today. > > Thanks, Carol > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, Mother's maiden name is Cole. Birmingham N 6d is the reference in Dec.quarter 1929. Ray. CAROL BROWN wrote: > Please could someone look up Gladys Mary KENNEDY's birth > details? she was b 3 Sept 1929 in Birmingham, and I want to > know her mother's maiden name. Failed to find in library today. > > Thanks, Carol > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Nothing what so ever to do with me but saw on eBay (UK) an Indenture between Robert Sampson of Southokenden, Essex and Thomas Gawdy Knight of Gawdy Hall, Norfolk dated 27 Elizabeth ( 1585) . If anyone is linked to this family you might be interested in this old document. David Vesey Toronto Canada

Please could someone look up Gladys Mary KENNEDY's birth details? she was b 3 Sept 1929 in Birmingham, and I want to know her mother's maiden name. Failed to find in library today. Thanks, Carol

Hi Maisie, I couldn,t resist having a look for your Mary Ann Sutton who was supposed to be in Prittlewell in 1891. My Jemson,s were from Prittlewell so I like to find out as much as I can about the people who came from there. Anyway, there is an ELIZABETH SUTTON who was a servant with the WARBURTON family on the 1891 census for the parish of Prittlewell in the district of Southend. They were at 4 Richmond Villas. WILLIAM WARBURTON was a Leiutenant.H.M.R. Engineers. ELIZABETH SUTTON was 16 years old and born Essex, Shoebury. The reference for this entry is RG12/1391, Page 41. I know you said her name was Mary but of course she could have been baptised Elizabeth Mary or something similar. A little tip when researching the census. I have found quite a few entries for my families by just putting in surname and place. This brings up quite a few entries that I may have otherwise missed. I sometimes search by just putting in the first name and the place, have also found a couple of my ancestors names who have been transcribed wrong. For example, I couldn,t find one of my Jemson families and tried everything I could think of and couldn,t find them. Finally I tried a first name search only with place and found the family listed as Imson which is nothing like Jemson. Anyway, hope this may be of some help. Regards Caron. Researching JEMSON AND MURRELL FROM PRITTLEWELL AND SOUTHEND.

One tiny point: if the enumerator had been a classics scholar (not unknown) then the I and the J are interchangeable, indeed in Latin they are one and the same letter, I believe. Also J could be and often was written above the line rather than through it. To modern eyes therefore Imson and Jemson may well be confused. Those of us with the initial J may well have come across odd variations of the initial letter - and as for the initial K - one has to use practically all the letters of the alphabet to find the name! JK On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Caron and Roy <caronandroy@xtra.co.nz>wrote: ..... For example, I couldn,t find one of my Jemson families and tried everything I could think of and couldn,t find them. Finally I tried a first name search only with place and found the family listed as Imson which is nothing like Jemson.

Colleen I think that may be Thurmott. I have a few of those in my tree (from mid-Suffolk) Dudley Quoting Colleen <colleen.morrison@ntlworld.com>: > I have photographs of graves/memorials with the following surnames from the > Church of St Edmund, East Mersea. Let me know if you'd a copy of any of these > - Colleen > <snip> > Thupmott/Thup Mott (?) <snip> ------------------------------------------------- Visit Pipex Business: The homepage for UK Small Businesses Go to http://www.pipex.co.uk/business-services

Carol, Gladys's Mother's name was COLE. Her birth was registered Dec qtr., Birmingham N. District; Vol 8d; Page 572. Nancy

If anyone has this man or his family in their tree, then check this out: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130250033165 If it reaches too high a price for you, you could always try asking the seller and/or winning bidder if they'd provide a transcript. You never know! Lawrence PS I have no commercial connection or interest in this, of course. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 27/08/2008 19:06

I have photographs of graves/memorials with the following surnames from the Church of St Edmund, East Mersea. Let me know if you'd a copy of any of these - Colleen Underwood Tiffin Barnard Wopling Pullen Hoy Lee Salmons Cotrell Cudmore Marriage Wood Woods Marquand Copland (?) Thupmott/Thup Mott (?) Mead King Whitbread Doherty Lord Sunnucks Lane Cowell Attwater Boniface Watkins -Williams Bradshaw Clark Wrench Farthing Harvey Prentice Mustard (?) Nice Burton Pudney Temple Page Reeve Goddard Croyden Bolton

I googled "UK Census Dates" This was the first 'hit' http://rmhh.co.uk/dates.html 1801 10th March Of little use for Genealogy 1811 27th May Of little use for Genealogy 1821 28th May Of little use for Genealogy 1831 30th May Of little use for Genealogy 1841 6th June Available 1851 30th March Available 1861 7th April Available 1871 2nd April Available 1881 3rd April Available 1891 5th April Available 1901 31st March Available 1911 2nd April Not yet released 1921 19th June Not yet released 1931 26th April Destroyed by fire in WWII 1939 29th Sept For issue of ID cards - except service personnel. 1941 -- No census due to WWII 1951 8th April Not yet released 1961 23rd April Not yet released 1971 25th April Not yet released 1981 5th April Not yet released 1991 21st April Not yet released 2001 29th April Not yet released Hope this helps Heather J. Buck wrote: > I seem to have mislaid my list of dates when the census was taken. Can > anyone oblige please? > > Many thanks > > Jan

My thanks to Tony, Roger, Clive, Wendy, Neil, S. Hill. Podsnod, Michael and Martin for sending me the Census dates - why didn't I think of Google!!!!!!!! Got a fractured knee so I'm blaming that. Jan

Hope this helps;- 1841 - Jun 6/7 1851 - Mar 30/31 1861 - Apr 7/8 1871 - Apr 2/3 1881 - Apr 3/4 1891 - Apr 5/6 1901 - Mar 31/Apr 1 Regards, Martin, Colchester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Buck" <jan@jb15339.force9.co.uk> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: [Ess] CENSUS DATES >I seem to have mislaid my list of dates when the census was taken. Can > anyone oblige please? > > Many thanks > > Jan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List While trying to find the burial of William Hyde KNAPP in the Hackney area I took listner Shirley's suggestion and looked up the web site of Abney Park Cemetery and trawled through the Indexing Project. Although there is no sign of William Hyde KNAPP or Susannah (sic) KNAPP I found William Hyde's parents (star jumps, star jumps) that being George KNAPP and Louisa Morton KNAPP. Now, the site offers a service fifteen pounds stirling and they will send extra information that can occur for example any other individuals interred in the grave, name of purchasers. The site has given me the burial No. Section and Index No. Has any one ever paid for this type of information and was it worth it? I guess if I lived in London I could find out for myself however even though the fee sounds costly I would be happy to pay if any of you think that it is worth it. I trust your judgement. Warm wishes Jenny (Australia)

Hi Jan, I'm always forgetting the dates & often have to resort to Google, I know I can print a copy, but then I'd lose it amongst all my rubbish! This should give you what you're after.. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Census.html Regards Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Buck" <jan@jb15339.force9.co.uk> To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: [Ess] CENSUS DATES >I seem to have mislaid my list of dates when the census was taken. Can > anyone oblige please? > > Many thanks > > Jan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 > 7:01 AM > > >

Dear List, I wondered if anyone has any interest in the Cotterill surname, mine is one Edmund Cotterill Parsons, whose father was Thomas Parsons, of southshoebury, Edmund being born in 1781, to Thomas and Sarah, who was a Nash, some doubt as to Edmunds legitimacy, as i now going over my old records cannot find their marriage. Just hope someone will reply, as i have trouble sometimes of going on too long!!! ( Been a member of the list for some time, but don't make too many e-mails, so lack practise of asking, therefore, when i do, i don't get many replies, cause of waffling on). Their i've said it! Thanks, A CROFT. In Leicestershire.