Did anyone else do an Essex church 'Ride & Stride' today? My contribution to Essex heritage weekend was sponsored visits today to photograph church interiors - I've already photographed the exteriors of these churches and am progressively photographing the graves. I'd aimed to photograph the interior of the church at Dengie too, but the church was annoyingly closed when it should have been open - nil for effort, Dengie! Two elderly CHAPLIN sisters who were recording the riders and striders visiting the Tiptree chapel proved to be connected to me. It was so hard to decide which churches to visit, as so many were open that I want to see were open. I finally settled on those below. If anyone is looking for photos of the following churches or graves/memorials to ancestors who worshipped there, let me know. Bradwell Juxta Mare, St Thomas Hatfield Peverel - Baptist Chapel - have some of St Andrew's too Heybridge - Baptist Chapel - also have St Andrew Langford, St Giles Sheering, St Mary The Virgin Tillingham, St Nicholas Tiptree - Congregational Chapel - also have St Lukes Ulting, All Saints Woodham Mortimer, St Margaret's Woodham Walter, St Michael's Woodham Ferrers (Ferris), St Mary the Virgin - exterior only Colleen

Is anyone out there researching the name "FORGE". I am trying to sort through the children born to John FORGE b.c. 1777 bpt. 1778 in St Margaret's Barking Essex Sailmaker, & Mary (possibly HAGGIS - Possibly HALL). I have the pr's for St Margaret's so that's not the issue. It's defining who the children belong to. There are several people researching on Ancestry.com and have posted their "trees" but unfortunately can't/won't give me their source information on how they have defined who belongs to whom! My research disproves so much of this posted information which further warns researchers don't accept what people post as it is not always true. If anyone has a FORGE or a colateral connection to the FORGE family of Barking/Limehouse/Grimsby I would appreciate any help trying to sort out this family. Shirley O'Donnell Essex OPC Coordinator

This just goes to show how valuable it can be to include what may appear to be incidental data - in this case, the head of the household. Well done Thelma for doing so! This Pitt-Rivers (George, who had been the 4th Baron Rivers since 1831) had a son and heir Henry Peter Pitt-Rivers, who became in turn the 5th Baron in 1866, but his decease in 1867 allowed an uncle Horace to become the 6th Baron Pitt-Rivers. One of these characters bequeathed a vast Dorset estate (27,000 acres) to General Augustus Henry Lane Fox, a cousin of the 5th Baron. Some sources say it was Fox's cousin the 5th Baron who was so generous, others that it was his great-uncle the 3rd Baron, but in any case the bequest seems to have become effective in 1880, two years before Fox retired from a successful military career (including service in the Crimea), for that is when he added Pitt-Rivers to the end of his long name in honour of his benefactor. The death of the 6th Baron in that year, when the baronetcy expired, may well have had something to do with the ineritance - perhaps it was being held in trust until the baronetcy died out, when it was passed on to Fox? This staggering windfall allowed General Pitt-Rivers, as he is best known today, to indulge his fascination with archaeology and anthropology. He conducted the first professional archaeological excavation of Ambresbury Banks (an iron-age enclosure currently swamped by the trees of Epping Forest between Epping and Loughton) in 1881, for the Essex Field Club, which had invited him to apply his advanced archaeological techniques on their behalf. He single-handedly pushed the science of archaeology forwards by a tremendous amount, from a way of creating a bit of work for one's idle gardeners to a disciplined methodological practice. I know I'm stretching the connection between the Pitt-Rivers family and Epping a bit thin, especially since he doesn't appear in the household containing the native of that town, but it's an interesting story anyway, I hope. Here's some links on him: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/rivers_augustus.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Pitt_Rivers http://www.archaeologyexpert.co.uk/GeneralPittRivers.html http://tinyurl.com/4p5qv6 (leads to http://www.utexas.edu/) There's a museum in Oxford named after him, which houses the vast ethnographic collection he'd amassed in his career: http://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/ See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Rivers http://www.essexfieldclub.org.uk/portal/p/History+of+the+Club Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thelma Wigley Sent: 12 September 2008 21:52 To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] SMITH,TRACEY,LARGE X 2, DANIELS strays in WILTSHIRE 1851 HO107/1849 Berwick St.John, Wiltshire Page 8/F19 Church Street William SMITH, 49, Local Curate, b. Epping, Essex Louisa, 45, b. Dorchester Susan Evans, svt, widow, 55, House Servant, b. Donhead Sarah Abbott, svt, 15, do b. Berwick, Wilts. Page 27/F28 Rushmore Lodge James TRACEY, 25, House Servant, b. Danbury, Essex head: Pitt-Rivers, Peer. Page 28/F29 Rushmore Lodge Marianna Hailberton, 44, House Servant, b. Oxfordshire Emma LARGE, 19, House Servant, b. Essex head: Pitt-Rivers, Peer Page 28/F29 James LARGE, widower, 53, Farm Bailiff, b. Bracknell, Berks. Harriet, 23, b. Nursleigh? Essex William, 19, Wheelwright, b. London, Mddx. Nancy, 12, b. Nusleigh (sic) HO107/1843 Bishopstrow, Wiltshire Page 14/F305 Sarah DANIELS, mother-in-law, widow, 75, Pauper, b. Colchester head: Edward Hains, Ag.Lab. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 10/09/2008 06:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 10/09/2008 06:00

HO107/1849 Berwick St.John, Wiltshire Page 8/F19 Church Street William SMITH, 49, Local Curate, b. Epping, Essex Louisa, 45, b. Dorchester Susan Evans, svt, widow, 55, House Servant, b. Donhead Sarah Abbott, svt, 15, do b. Berwick, Wilts. Page 27/F28 Rushmore Lodge James TRACEY, 25, House Servant, b. Danbury, Essex head: Pitt-Rivers, Peer. Page 28/F29 Rushmore Lodge Marianna Hailberton, 44, House Servant, b. Oxfordshire Emma LARGE, 19, House Servant, b. Essex head: Pitt-Rivers, Peer Page 28/F29 James LARGE, widower, 53, Farm Bailiff, b. Bracknell, Berks. Harriet, 23, b. Nursleigh? Essex William, 19, Wheelwright, b. London, Mddx. Nancy, 12, b. Nusleigh (sic) HO107/1843 Bishopstrow, Wiltshire Page 14/F305 Sarah DANIELS, mother-in-law, widow, 75, Pauper, b. Colchester head: Edward Hains, Ag.Lab.

HO107/1841 Atworth, Wiltshire Page 17/F212 Rose Cottage John COLLETT, 31, Shoemaker, b. Broughton Sarah, 37, b. Harwich, Essex Sarah WHITBY, visitor, 60, No stated occ., b. Harwich, Essex Emily Lewis? visitor, 14, b. Atworth, Som (sic) Louisa, visitor, 12, do HO107/1848 Bemerton & Quidhampton, Wiltshire Page 15/F10 John BARNARD, 70, Ret'd Farmer, b. Aselhurst, Essex Fanny, 50, b. Bristol Amelia, 22, b. Steepleton, Dorset Mary Davis, svt, 18, b. Wylye.

HO107/1849 Anstey, Wiltshire Page 24/F246 Joseph SPENCER, 28, Carpenter, b. Swallowclift,Wiltshire Lucy, 35, b. Great Toy, Essex Ruth, 2, b. Swallowclift, Wiltshire (Next door is Martha Spencer, widow, aged 79) Page 24/F246 Ann WRIGHT, 40, widow, Ag.Lab., b. Rumford, Essex Abigail, dau, 15, b. Swallowclift, Wilts. Henry, 12, son, do Agatha, 11, do Albert, 10, do Keturah, 8, do Emma, 7, do HO107/1834 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 14/F389 High Street F.S. HURLOCK, 38, mrd, Landed Prop., b. Dunmore (Dunmow?) Essex H.F., son, 5, b. Cheltenham, Glos. E.H.E., dau, 1, b. Ashton Keynes, Wilts. Wm.HURRELL, 29, svt, mrd, b. Ballington, Essex Ann, 28, svt, mrd, b. Cheltenham, Glos. Ann Simmons, 36, svt, b. Wrentham, Worcs. Mary Harris, svt, 22, b. Standish, Glos Ann Williams, svt, 22, b. Monmouthshire Ann Williams, visitor, mrd, 53, b. Stanton, Derbyshire Fanny, 13, visitor, b.Monmouthshire

Hi, would sks have access to the parish records for Great Sampford? I am looking for a marriage of James PIPER to Elizabeth CHOAT in about 1754. This is a huge brickwall for me and if anyone could help I would be very grateful. Nadine Bournemouth

Hi Margaret My Mother was sent to an Orphanage in Ongar Essex about 1912. Her Father was dead and her Mother was dying, both of TB and 35 years old. I did some research on why from Hackney they went to Essex. It seems the Hackney Child welfare people felt these East End Orphans would be better off in the Country. The Old orphanage buildingsare now some smart residential homes. My Mother was definatly better off being there until she was 17 than she would have been left in Hackney. I was quite surprised as I researched her Family to find when she and her 3 siblings were orphaned they had living Grandparents. I wonder why they didnt take them. Eve (Canada now) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Lawrence" <meltcl@btinternet.com> To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:37 AM Subject: [Ess] St Georges Schools > Good morning everyone, > > > > Although I haven't any family connections with Essex (as far as I know!) > in > the 1901 Census my husband's grandmother and her twin sister were at this > school which seems to be full of children from the East End, they were > about > 14 at the time. Can anyone tell me why all these children were at this > school and anything about the school please or tell me of any on-line > sources where I could look up information., I've tried Google but so far > haven't come up with anything. > > > > Thanks > > > > Margaret > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Answered off list. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Lawrence [mailto:meltcl@btinternet.com] Hello Judy & Michael, Thank you for your prompt reply. I am still trying to work out the ramifications of this family so some of my 'facts' may be incorrect, but as I see it:- Louisa and Sarah Milton, twins aged about 14 for the 1901 Census were in St Georges E School, Gipsy Lane, East Ham, Essex, there are pages of children there mostly from the East End of London. As far as I can make out their father James died in 1897 in Mile End Old Town, his widow appears in the 1901 census as the wife of Joseph Field with Ellen Milton age 10 and James Milton age 8 (both 'Step' to Joseph). The census address is 1 Stepney Causeway (and a word that I can't read) in the civil parish of Ratcliff, Stepney.

Hello Judy & Michael, Thank you for your prompt reply. I am still trying to work out the ramifications of this family so some of my 'facts' may be incorrect, but as I see it:- Louisa and Sarah Milton, twins aged about 14 for the 1901 Census were in St Georges E School, Gipsy Lane, East Ham, Essex, there are pages of children there mostly from the East End of London. As far as I can make out their father James died in 1897 in Mile End Old Town, his widow appears in the 1901 census as the wife of Joseph Field with Ellen Milton age 10 and James Milton age 8 (both 'Step' to Joseph). The census address is 1 Stepney Causeway (and a word that I can't read) in the civil parish of Ratcliff, Stepney. That is a great web site Judy, those buildings look awfully grim Thanks Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:jlester@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 September 2008 08:49 To: 'Margaret Lawrence'; ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Ess] St Georges Schools Hi Margaret, Could this be at Plashet? The parish of St George in the East had an industrial school there, hence the name St George's Schools. These would be children who were chargeable to the parish. Their parents may have been in the workhouse, or unable to look after them for some other reason. If you post the names and/or census reference, it should be possible to confirm the location. There is information about the school at Plashet here http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/StGeorgeInTheEast (scroll down to Plashet Industrial School) HTH Judy London, UK

Hi Margaret, Could this be at Plashet? The parish of St George in the East had an industrial school there, hence the name St George's Schools. These would be children who were chargeable to the parish. Their parents may have been in the workhouse, or unable to look after them for some other reason. If you post the names and/or census reference, it should be possible to confirm the location. There is information about the school at Plashet here http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/StGeorgeInTheEast (scroll down to Plashet Industrial School) HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Lawrence Although I haven't any family connections with Essex (as far as I know!) in the 1901 Census my husband's grandmother and her twin sister were at this school which seems to be full of children from the East End, they were about 14 at the time. Can anyone tell me why all these children were at this school and anything about the school please or tell me of any on-line sources where I could look up information., I've tried Google but so far haven't come up with anything.

Good morning everyone, Although I haven't any family connections with Essex (as far as I know!) in the 1901 Census my husband's grandmother and her twin sister were at this school which seems to be full of children from the East End, they were about 14 at the time. Can anyone tell me why all these children were at this school and anything about the school please or tell me of any on-line sources where I could look up information., I've tried Google but so far haven't come up with anything. Thanks Margaret

Have you got a specific question about the WRIGHT family? I live fairly close and might be able to look for gravestones, known addresses, etc. Getting to the actual records at the Record Office would be more difficult. Let me know if I can help Heather cathy carley wrote: > GDAY:) > Is anyone please researching WRIGHT family of Great dunmow essex > Particularly this one > ISAAC WILSON WRIGHT married MARY TAYLOR > 28/Sept/1801 > Witnesses > Jorim(josiah) taylor > Ann Ballard > Thanks > regards > Cathy:) >

Hi Frances Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 set the legal minimum at 12 for girls and 14 for boys, and this remained the legal position until 1929, when it was raised to 16 for both. However, marriages of such young people were phenomenally rare in practice, except in the realms of the aristocracy, where children were legally "married" to cement dynastic alliances but didn't live together as man and wife until they were much older. By and large, where records appear to suggest marriages at a very young age, you should be very circumspect. Sometimes you are dealing with a case of mistaken identity (cousins with identical names can be tricky), sometimes with a late baptism (it is always a mistake to assume that a baptism followed a birth by a few weeks or months - it could be years). Hope this helps Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fran Vose > Sent: 08 September 2008 21:45 > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] mARRIAGE AGE - 1600'S, 1700's, 1800-1850 for women > > Could anyone advise the official minimum legal marriage age (if there > was > one) in above centuries for women. Think it could be helpful for > research > purposes. Many thanks! > > Frances > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hello Frances, Michael, ----- Original Message ----- From: <michael@allbrook.com> > Frances > You are going to be horrified. I believe that it was raised to 16 with > parental consent 1885. Previously it was 13 > If you google - age of consent - you will find a wealth of information > Michael Allbrook > > -----Original Message-----> On Behalf Of Fran Vose >> Could anyone advise the official minimum legal marriage age (if there was > one) in above centuries for women. Think it could be helpful for research > purposes. Many thanks! > > Frances Michael is on the right lines, but the changes were more recent. Until July 1929, the minimum age was 14 for men and 12 for women, when it was raised to 16 for both. Parental consent was needed for a party under 21. Consent might be deemed if they failed to object at the calling of the Banns. Written consent was required for marriage by licence. Marriages where at least one party was below the age of consent were null ab initio, IIRC. Marriage without appropriate consent was, again IIRC, legal but possibly voidable? I think that what Michael has in mind was possibly the raising of the age of consent for sexual relations *outside* marriage. The above applied in England & Wales only. I believe the age of consent was only raised in Ireland much more recently. I do not know about the Scottish situation. Cheers John Henley researching (and not finding much time for - but always very glad to hear of any) HENLEY, PARKER, RAPER, [London/Middlesex] DURDEN, PRENTICE [Essex/London/ Woolwich] , SECKER, [Suffolk, London/Middlesex] ROLFE, (O)RAFFERTY, EVANS, PARSONS, SYMONDS [ Berks/Hants/Wilts] HILL [IN Staffs/Cambs/Berks]

Frances You are going to be horrified. I believe that it was raised to 16 with parental consent 1885. Previously it was 13 If you google - age of consent - you will find a wealth of information Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fran Vose Sent: 08 September 2008 21:45 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] mARRIAGE AGE - 1600'S, 1700's, 1800-1850 for women Could anyone advise the official minimum legal marriage age (if there was one) in above centuries for women. Think it could be helpful for research purposes. Many thanks! Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Before Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 there was no lower legal age of marriage, except during the 1650's when it was 16 for men and 14 for women. In 1753 it was fixed at 14 for men and 12 for women and remained at that until the Age of Marriage Act 1929 when it was raised to 16 for both." Above taken verbatim from The Family Tree Detective by Colin D Rogers Ray --- On Mon, 8/9/08, Fran Vose <fvinport@charter.net> wrote: From: Fran Vose <fvinport@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Ess] mARRIAGE AGE - 1600'S, 1700's, 1800-1850 for women To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 9:45 PM Could anyone advise the official minimum legal marriage age (if there was one) in above centuries for women. Think it could be helpful for research purposes. Many thanks! Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could anyone advise the official minimum legal marriage age (if there was one) in above centuries for women. Think it could be helpful for research purposes. Many thanks! Frances

This marriage is on Boyds marriage index. 1616 / GOODWIN WILL / WITE ELZ / SHALFORD / ESSEX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard C. Witters" <rwitters@nc.rr.com> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Ess] William Goodwin and Elizabeth White > Good afternoon, > Will some kind person please help me? I am looking for dates of births and > marriage for William Goodwin and Elizabeth (White) as well as a date of > birth for their only child, Elizabeth Goodwin. The left England in 1632. > They probably lived in Brocking, Essex, England. They had a brother named > Ozias. > Any information will really be appreciated. > Thank you, > Dick > Cary, North Carolina > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dick, Essex Online Parish Clerks have someone acting as OPC for Bocking, they may be able to help you with parish register look-ups. You can check the site at: http://essex-opc.org.uk/ Lin OPC for Woodham Ferrers 2008/9/8 Richard C. Witters <rwitters@nc.rr.com> > Good afternoon, > Will some kind person please help me? I am looking for dates of births and > marriage for William Goodwin and Elizabeth (White) as well as a date of > birth for their only child, Elizabeth Goodwin. The left England in 1632. > They probably lived in Brocking, Essex, England. They had a brother named > Ozias. > Any information will really be appreciated. > Thank you, > Dick > Cary, North Carolina > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >