Are you sure it is the same Edward Stevens - In 1841 and 51 he is a gardener, in 1861 a butler but in 1881 he is a house decorator? Anne On 19 Sep 2008, at 07:56, Jan & Stuart Moon wrote: > I don't know if I should have posted to this list or the London list, > apologies if wrong list, but this is my query. > > Edward supposed married Louisa (someone) from Hough Upton, Bucks in > abt 1839 > (their first child was born in Holborn St George the Martyr in > 1840). I can > find them on the census until 1861. I think Louisa dies in 1866, > Holborn, > and Edward remarried someone named Ann (b abt 1819, Surrey) I can't > find > Edward at all in 1871, although I have found some of the children, > but he is there in 1881 with Ann (they are living at 30 Gloucester St > Finsbury). Her surname may have been Swift? > I can find no trace of either marriage, and can't find Edwards birth. > Can anyone assist, suggest where to go next?? > TIA > Jan Moon > Daintree, Australia >

I think the scarcity of paper may have been common in the 1950s. My Dad was a sale rep. (in those days a commercial traveler). The back of the second copy of the orders he wrote out (and the use of the old carbon paper) were our drawing paper. We considered ourselves very lucky to have this. Regards to all. Macha in NZ -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of La Greenall Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 5:07 a.m. To: davidhoye@xtra.co.nz; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Elmdon, Essex. I would guess that a rector would have finished practicing his handwriting skills long beforehand and now had other more important 'exercises' to preoccupy him, whilst a newly-appointed clerk might well have good reason to brush his skills up, especially if his education in such things had been modest. Why in the front of the register? I bet plain paper was either scarce or expensive, or both. It might also indicate a new appointment, as someone who'd been in the post for a while might well have been able to build up a small supply of scraps of paper for rough notes etc.; perhaps the backs of redundant notices, bills, and deeds. I can almost feel the excitement of this new young clerk at discovering a whole blank inner front cover to the register, just waiting for him to fill it in his bestest hand possible with great glee! A bit like having a right good swivel on your office chair when you get given a new desk at work. I've had a few old (Victorian and slightly earlier) books with spines in very poor condition, and a peep at the layers in the spine usually reveals the re-use of already-printed paper, old book pages, handbills and so on, so even in more recent times paper wasn't discarded like it is today. Did you know that there's a Rootsweb list dedicated to the HOY name? I also found this website via Google: http://www.hoy.org.uk/ A brief look at its message board brought up one small thread on Elmdon, Essex HOYs from 2002, though in itself it isn't very helpful. However, starting up a new thread might produce some results. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Hoye Sent: 17 September 2008 10:47 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Elmdon, Essex. The first two pages of the pr, which begins 1618, are "testers". On the first page in a good hand is written, repeatedly, "John Hoy is my name" Was he the rector? Does anyone have a copy of "The Hoys of Elmdon" by P. Hoy? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM

Sorry, there was an error in my previous reply to this one. Assizes records are all held at the Nationl Archives, Kew. Quarter Sessions records are held at county record offices. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Dooley's" <thedooleys@aapt.net.au> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [Ess] Essex Assizes - Thomas LLOYD > Hi All, > > Hoping someone may be able to offer advice regarding court records etc. > Thomas Lloyd was convicted at Essex Assizes for a term of life and > transported to NSW on the Asia, 22 Oct 1824. I would like further details > on his trial etc. > >>From what I understand on the National archives site, if I were to check >>the Home Office: Criminal Registers, England and Wales index I could >>determine the date of his trial and from that I could then refer to the >>Assize records for more information? Is that right? > > I live in Sydney so can't personally visit National Archives, can anyone > advise as to who does the above type of research. > > Many thanks, > > Felicity > Sydney > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you google for "Tilegate House" Harlow, you will find it is a sheltered housing/retirement housing complex, managed by Harlow District Council, but appears not to have resident staff. The informant could be a staff member at Harlow Council with responsibility for registering deaths, who may never have met Mrs Wilkins. JK On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Alannah Brown <alannahbr@shaw.ca> wrote: > I have just received the death certificate of Rose Amelia Wilkins who died > March 1991 and the place of death was 10 Tilegate House, Bush Fair, Harlow. > I assume that this is a care facility but would appreciate any information > in that regard. Her 'usual address' was 63 Barn Mead, Harlow, and the > informant was a Doreen Lilian Allen. I did a 'google' search for this name > and did find that there was a Doreen L Allen who was listed as an assentor > for the candidate Roy Collyer who was nominated for District Councillor for > the Toddbrook Ward for May 4, 2006 election. > Again a 'long shot' but perhaps someone on the list knows a Dorren L Allen > and could possibly let me know how I could get in touch with her? We would > love to get in touch with someone who might have known Rose. > I will, of course, persue further avenues and thank you again to those of > you who have given me some ideas already. > Alannah > B.C. Canada > > >

I have just received the death certificate of Rose Amelia Wilkins who died March 1991 and the place of death was 10 Tilegate House, Bush Fair, Harlow. I assume that this is a care facility but would appreciate any information in that regard. Her 'usual address' was 63 Barn Mead, Harlow, and the informant was a Doreen Lilian Allen. I did a 'google' search for this name and did find that there was a Doreen L Allen who was listed as an assentor for the candidate Roy Collyer who was nominated for District Councillor for the Toddbrook Ward for May 4, 2006 election. Again a 'long shot' but perhaps someone on the list knows a Dorren L Allen and could possibly let me know how I could get in touch with her? We would love to get in touch with someone who might have known Rose. I will, of course, persue further avenues and thank you again to those of you who have given me some ideas already. Alannah B.C. Canada

In 1590 Clement Hoy, a notable dissident puritan priest was rector at the above place, near Elmdon, but it seems not to have a parish nor a church. Can anyone explain?

Thorley, Herts? Near Bishop's Stortford. In fact now in it. Cheers Steve David Hoye wrote: > In 1861 census a man named his birthplace as above. > Where might he have meant? > Sorry - it's a bit out of list area. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The first two pages of the pr, which begins 1618, are "testers". On the first page in a good hand is written, repeatedly, "John Hoy is my name" Was he the rector? Does anyone have a copy of "The Hoys of Elmdon" by P. Hoy?

In 1861 census a man named his birthplace as above. Where might he have meant? Sorry - it's a bit out of list area.

I would guess that a rector would have finished practicing his handwriting skills long beforehand and now had other more important 'exercises' to preoccupy him, whilst a newly-appointed clerk might well have good reason to brush his skills up, especially if his education in such things had been modest. Why in the front of the register? I bet plain paper was either scarce or expensive, or both. It might also indicate a new appointment, as someone who'd been in the post for a while might well have been able to build up a small supply of scraps of paper for rough notes etc.; perhaps the backs of redundant notices, bills, and deeds. I can almost feel the excitement of this new young clerk at discovering a whole blank inner front cover to the register, just waiting for him to fill it in his bestest hand possible with great glee! A bit like having a right good swivel on your office chair when you get given a new desk at work. I've had a few old (Victorian and slightly earlier) books with spines in very poor condition, and a peep at the layers in the spine usually reveals the re-use of already-printed paper, old book pages, handbills and so on, so even in more recent times paper wasn't discarded like it is today. Did you know that there's a Rootsweb list dedicated to the HOY name? I also found this website via Google: http://www.hoy.org.uk/ A brief look at its message board brought up one small thread on Elmdon, Essex HOYs from 2002, though in itself it isn't very helpful. However, starting up a new thread might produce some results. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Hoye Sent: 17 September 2008 10:47 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Elmdon, Essex. The first two pages of the pr, which begins 1618, are "testers". On the first page in a good hand is written, repeatedly, "John Hoy is my name" Was he the rector? Does anyone have a copy of "The Hoys of Elmdon" by P. Hoy? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16

My first posts as a librarian were in the old Southend Central Library and in charge of a small branch in Eastwood, not far from my birthplace, but I have been a registered user of Colchester Library since 1989. I must have experienced a few senior moments after chatting with its staff and relaxing away from the hurly-burly outside Dudley Diaper has kindly e-mailed me from Colchester Library to correct the information that I posted regarding the registers that the Colchester branch of the Record Office gave them when it closed, about a year and a half ago. All the original Essex parish registers went to the ERO in Chelmsford, but Colchester Library was given microfiche copies of nearly every one of them for the whole county. The fiche collection is so comprehensive that it is not felt necessary for it to be listed in the online catalogue, although the beginning and ending dates are different for each parish, of course. The ELAN catalogue does, however, include about 40 bound volumes of assorted parish registers (mostly published before 1914), a lucky dip for some of its users. Best wishes Peter Moll Tortola British Virgin Islands Spring wrote Sep 15, 2008: > Hi Maggie > > As you gather, the Colchester Record Office has been closed. Its > collection of parish registers, now in Colchester Library, are mostly > for North-East Essex. I did glance at a few of them, intending to > consult them properly later, but was not given a printed list. > However, they are all included in the Essex Libraries' online > catalogue. Which parishes are you particularly interested in? > The Library staff are very helpful and will be pleased to show you > where the registers are located. > Best wishes > > Peter Moll > Tortola > BVI > > Maggie Syrett wrote Sep 15, 2008: >> Could you please tell me which parish registers are in Colchester >> Library. I am back in the area, having moved overseas 15 years ago. >> I was going to take a trip to the Colchester Record Office.

Dear David Just looked on the two second hand booksellers I used here, sure you have already done this, alibris and abebooks and of course no luck. It would be more likely to be found through an antiquarian book shop. The only other thought is that is there anyone who can go into the church and see if there is list of rectors up on the wall somewhere? Unfortunately I won't be going in that direction for at least the next few weeks. Regards, Gwyn 2008/9/17 David Hoye <davidhoye@xtra.co.nz>: > The first two pages of the pr, which begins 1618, are "testers". > On the first page in a good hand is written, repeatedly, "John Hoy is my name" > Was he the rector? > Does anyone have a copy of "The Hoys of Elmdon" by P. Hoy? -- Gwyn Bailey OPC for Springfield, Essex

There's a Thurley Close in St Neots Cambridgeshire - might be named for a farm that was there previously. Or Thurleigh in Bedfordshire or Thorley on the Herts Essex borders are a possibility if he got the county wrong or the borders have changed. Or Thorney (Abbey) near Wisbeach OS Gridref TF280040 HTH Anne On 17 Sep 2008, at 10:36, David Hoye wrote: > In 1861 census a man named his birthplace as above. > Where might he have meant? > Sorry - it's a bit out of list area.

Taken from Lost Parish Churches by Andrew Barham - St Dunstan's .......of Norman origin but was reconstructed in 1845.....partially demolished in 1958, later declared redundant and is now privately owned. Glynis ----- Original Message ----- > In 1590 Clement Hoy, a notable dissident puritan priest was rector at the > above place, near Elmdon, but it seems not to have a parish nor a church. > Can anyone explain?

Could it be Thorney? Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hoye" > In 1861 census a man named his birthplace as above. > Where might he have meant? > Sorry - it's a bit out of list area. >

In perspective, and in due regard to Ian; I got to know him well, I think (Off list). He had one annoying attribute, the Essex Pubs site he left was near complete. Every time I thought I had found something new to add, it was already there! What a nice person, and his dad and brother were both OK with continuing his work, online. I think this says all I can say about Ian, god bless. Kevan http://londonpublichouse.com/ aka http://essexpub.com/ aka http://essexpub.net aka [the list goes on endlessly] -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Sent: 16 September 2008 21:54 To: Ringers; ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] PUBBY HUNTER I bet dear old Ian has them all rocking and rolling in heaven, these days. I do miss him, he was such a good friend to me and so many of us. I miss his wonderful sense of humour and his knowledge of Essex and Tiptree. It's not the same down here without you, Ian. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ringers" <bringwoo@bigpond.net.au> > Today is the 5th anniversary of the passing of our friend IAN "PUBBY" > HUNTER, > > > > R.I.P Pubby > > > > Bron ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was just thinking the same, Lawrence. I know the reporter on the Star who has a local history section. I'll send Alannah his name and email address tomorrow - teh address is in my office. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "La Greenall" <elde.worth@ntlworld.com> > Contacting the local Harlow newspapers might be worth a shot - they > might be willing to run a short article based on your search. > > I found these two via Google; perhaps Colleen would know which is the > best one to go for. > > http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/harlowstar/ > > http://www.citizen-series.co.uk/ > > Lawrence > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alannah Brown > > > I realize that this is only a 'long shot' but I wonder if anyone might > have known Rose Amelia Wilkins who died at the age of 83 yrs in Harlow > in 1991. > >

Contacting the local Harlow newspapers might be worth a shot - they might be willing to run a short article based on your search. I found these two via Google; perhaps Colleen would know which is the best one to go for. http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/harlowstar/ http://www.citizen-series.co.uk/ Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alannah Brown I realize that this is only a 'long shot' but I wonder if anyone might have known Rose Amelia Wilkins who died at the age of 83 yrs in Harlow in 1991. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 14/09/2008 07:16

I bet dear old Ian has them all rocking and rolling in heaven, these days. I do miss him, he was such a good friend to me and so many of us. I miss his wonderful sense of humour and his knowledge of Essex and Tiptree. It's not the same down here without you, Ian. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ringers" <bringwoo@bigpond.net.au> > Today is the 5th anniversary of the passing of our friend IAN "PUBBY" > HUNTER, > > > > R.I.P Pubby > > > > Bron

I live in Old Harlow, but don't know of Rose - not surprising, as there are 80,000 people in the new town. Rose was quite elderly so it may be that she lived in one of Harlow's old people's homes or a warden assisted dwelling. If so, the warden may know if she had any other family who may have kept her photos and or happened to her things. Sometimes those places have Christmas parties where photos are taken, so there might be a group photo of her. Let me know where she lived or died once you have the information and I may be able to give further help with this. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alannah Brown" <alannahbr@shaw.ca> >I realize that this is only a 'long shot' but I wonder if anyone might have >known Rose Amelia Wilkins who died at the age of 83 yrs in Harlow in 1991. > Rose was estranged from her brother (my husband's father) many years ago > and we have only just received the information of where she died. We do > not think that she ever married. > It is our hope to find someone who might have been close to her and who > might also have a photograph of her. > I would appreciate any advise as to how I might be able to find such a > person as I do realize that this is not the best forum for me to > use.....but I thought that it could be a start! I have ordered a death > certificate for Rose in hope that a witness might be included on this > document. > Many thanks in advance for any advise. > Alannah > B.C. Canada