All, I am following this line of enquiry with great interest. I spent most of my formative years in Marks Road, Romford, as did my father, grandfather etc. They moved about the road during this period, but were in Marks Road for the best part of seventy years, including the 1901 census. I also suffered from similar problems in tracking down an actual birth place, as the records in census are not always commensurate with the actual fact - you can see all of the tree at http://essex1841.com/Legacy/index.htm - if interested. This is not a question, as I lost interest in adding additional info some years back; but it is still incredibly interesting to try and add even an iota of information. I have to applaud Dick for all the research that he has achieved in a very short time period, whether correct or not. It doesn't matter, it is a total dissemination of a bunch of facts that can be proved, then deciding which are actually relevant. Anyway, it was nice to see another Marks Road resident from 1901. The 1919 directory for Marks Road & the rest of Romford is still accessible at [quick check where it is now] - See [scroll down this page] - http://romford-hornchurch.co.uk/Romford/HistoryofRomford.shtml Best Kevan -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick Mathews Sent: 07 October 2008 22:28 To: Dianadiluca@aol.com Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] William John Galley Hello Diana This is certainly an interesting puzzle! FreeBMD doesn't have a Romford birth for a Walter (Walley) Galley in about 1904 - but does have one for the death of a Walter George Galley aged 3 in 1893. From the 1891 census he is the son of Frederick and Thirza - possibly a relative. And Lizzie Georgina Galley is registered in 1903 - so perhaps the two younger children are transposed on the shipping list (and Walter isn't yet on FreeBMD). Trying to separate fact from conjecture, it seems to me that you can be quite certain that a woman named Annie Galley emigrated to Canada in 1907, taking four children with her, and three of those children are listed in the civil registration indexes as being born in Romford. And it seems certain that the family appear in the 1901 census in Romford - where the father is listed as William (not William J) born about 1878 in Romford. I had my suspicions that the William you found outward bound in May 1907 might not be connected, but I've found a free indexed online transcript of the 1911 census for Canada <http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/> which shows William and Annie with their children in Little Current, Ontario - and "Walley" is actually a girl identified as 'Darly' born Jan 1906 (but the only entry for the March quarter of 1906 in Romford is a girl named Kathleen Ada!) There is also a baby named Samuel. As the main evidence for William being born in Romford is the 1901 census entry, and as you say that his marriage certificate lists a stepfather, it may well be that William didn't actually know where he was born - although it might well be in or perhaps near Romford. But from the military records for two of his sons it does look aa if he was actually named William John. I spent a few minutes looking out for the two girls adopted by Charles Wright. You may of course already know this, but Annie and her mother Lizzie are both listed in the 1881 census as inmates in the Romford Workhouse, where Lizzie is shown as single, and FreeBMD has entries for the births of both Annie and Georgina Mundy, together with a marriage for Lizzie Mundy and Charles Wright, so it seems clear both girls were illegitimate. I then ran a search in 1891 for Georgina Wright in Essex - and Ancestry has 'Georgina Wrights' living with her parents Charles (a drover) and Lizzie at 48 Marks Rd. Also with them is Lizzie's mother Betsy Mundy, widow, 50, needlewoman, born Romford. And at no. 51 are John Etherton and his wife Frances Amelia, both born Terling, a son 'William Galley do' aged 13 born Gt Leighs, and a daughter Florence aged 4 born Terling. RG12/1367; Folio 153; Page 10 refers - I can send you this and any other census images if you wish. Ten years earlier in 1881 Frances A Gally is a 23 year old single servant to a solicitor in braintree. RG11/1810; Folio: 17; Page: 3 refers. Frances Amelia Galley married John Etherton in 1883. Young William is living with his grandparents, William and Caroline Galley, in Great Leighs. RG11/1765; Folio: 101; Page: 11 refers. So it seems clear that both William and Annie were illegitimate, and were brought up by stepfathers who married their mothers some years after they were born. It seems very likely that William John Galley's birth is registered as Dec 1877 Chelmsford 4a 269. Hope this helps. Dick Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Hello Dick, > > Thank you for looking - yes I have some problems with this family I must > admit. They seem to change names for some reason, although it was quite > common in those days to do that I have found. > > The date of 18 June 1878 comes from the emigration record I found for a > Wm Galley born 1878 sailed on the 'Southwark' from Liverpool to Quebec > on 20 May 1907. I assumed this was 'my' William Galley as his wife > Annie Galley is recorded as travelling on the 'Empress of > Ireland' arriving at Quebec on 25 October 1907. She is down as > being married, aged 29, and with her children Nellie (actually this > could be Willie?) 8, Chas 6. Walley 3 and Lizzie aged 11 months. I know > that Lizzie existed and was named Lizzie Georgina (Georgina named after > Annie's sister Georgina Mundy) and Charles Samuel Galley existed. Not > sure about who Walley was, maybe he died. > > I have just discovered these following records in Canada where they > emigrated to: > > Military records for Charles Samuel Galley - Mother Annie Wright > (correct) and father Wm J Galley Living at Little Current, Ontario when > he enlisted as a sailor on 3 July 1916. Unmaried at the time. > > Military records for Alfred William Charles Galley born 23 July 1897 (I > have William Galley on my tree) living at Little Current, Ontario. > Father: William John Galley of Romford. Signed up 24/12/1915 - > unmarried. I presume this must be the same person as William Galley as > on the 1901 census in Romford? > > I found a marriage for Charles Samuel Galley to Florence Leonard on 1 > June 1923 in York, Canada, (mother Annie Wright and father Wm J Galley). > > No marriage found for William Galley (or Alfred William) > > Marriage found for Lizzie Georgina Galley to Ernest Hunwicks of Romford > on 26 Apr 1923 in York, Canada. Father Wm John Galley and Mother Annie > Wright. Witness was William Galley of 329 Lippincott St and Florence > Gladys Hunwicks of 329 Lippincott Street, Toronto. > > Regarding the marriage for William John Galley to Annie Wright - they > married on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church in Romford, witnesses were > Francis Eales (I don't know anything about this man) and Georgina > Beatrice Mundy who was Annie's sister. The Wright comes into force > because these 2 girls were adopted by Charles Wright when he married > their mother Lizzie Mundy. Both stepfathers were labourers. William > and Annie address was 90 Marks Road. I have William John as a carman in > 1896 but on the emigration records he is down as a light ship worker on > lakes. In the 1901 census they lived at 207 Marks Road, Romford which > is where my family did all live so that would be right. Charles Wright > (the stepfather of Annie) was a drover. I took the marriage details off > a computer at the ERO so I wonder if Everington might be Etherington? > Just a thought. > > The records for Canada are really impressive, so detailed. Wish the > English ones were as good! I hit a brick wall with William John Galley > prior to 1896. Anything you can find would be a bonus for me. > > Many thanks, > > Diana > > /Re: There doesn't seem to be an entry in the GRO indexes for Jun 1878 or > Sept 1878 for your William John Galley - so what evidence do you have > for his birth in Romford on 18 June 1878? There are a few births on > FreeBMD for Galley in Romford, one of which is John William S, in Dec > 1875, which seems more likely for someone marrying in 1896 - even though > his 1901 census entry does show him as aged 23. > I can't find your William, or John William S, in any pre 1901 census - > althought there is a Robert Galley and wife Mary Ann in Barking in 1891 > who have five children named Galley and a four year old named William > Mills born East Ham who is described as 'son'. RG12/1372,Folio 109, > Page 11 refers. Ancestry has indexed this child as Galley, but that's > clearly wrong - especially since they have a son of their own aged seven > named William, born Barking. > Who are the witnesses at William's marriage? What is John Everington's > occupation? 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Hello Diana This is certainly an interesting puzzle! FreeBMD doesn't have a Romford birth for a Walter (Walley) Galley in about 1904 - but does have one for the death of a Walter George Galley aged 3 in 1893. From the 1891 census he is the son of Frederick and Thirza - possibly a relative. And Lizzie Georgina Galley is registered in 1903 - so perhaps the two younger children are transposed on the shipping list (and Walter isn't yet on FreeBMD). Trying to separate fact from conjecture, it seems to me that you can be quite certain that a woman named Annie Galley emigrated to Canada in 1907, taking four children with her, and three of those children are listed in the civil registration indexes as being born in Romford. And it seems certain that the family appear in the 1901 census in Romford - where the father is listed as William (not William J) born about 1878 in Romford. I had my suspicions that the William you found outward bound in May 1907 might not be connected, but I've found a free indexed online transcript of the 1911 census for Canada <http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/> which shows William and Annie with their children in Little Current, Ontario - and "Walley" is actually a girl identified as 'Darly' born Jan 1906 (but the only entry for the March quarter of 1906 in Romford is a girl named Kathleen Ada!) There is also a baby named Samuel. As the main evidence for William being born in Romford is the 1901 census entry, and as you say that his marriage certificate lists a stepfather, it may well be that William didn't actually know where he was born - although it might well be in or perhaps near Romford. But from the military records for two of his sons it does look aa if he was actually named William John. I spent a few minutes looking out for the two girls adopted by Charles Wright. You may of course already know this, but Annie and her mother Lizzie are both listed in the 1881 census as inmates in the Romford Workhouse, where Lizzie is shown as single, and FreeBMD has entries for the births of both Annie and Georgina Mundy, together with a marriage for Lizzie Mundy and Charles Wright, so it seems clear both girls were illegitimate. I then ran a search in 1891 for Georgina Wright in Essex - and Ancestry has 'Georgina Wrights' living with her parents Charles (a drover) and Lizzie at 48 Marks Rd. Also with them is Lizzie's mother Betsy Mundy, widow, 50, needlewoman, born Romford. And at no. 51 are John Etherton and his wife Frances Amelia, both born Terling, a son 'William Galley do' aged 13 born Gt Leighs, and a daughter Florence aged 4 born Terling. RG12/1367; Folio 153; Page 10 refers - I can send you this and any other census images if you wish. Ten years earlier in 1881 Frances A Gally is a 23 year old single servant to a solicitor in braintree. RG11/1810; Folio: 17; Page: 3 refers. Frances Amelia Galley married John Etherton in 1883. Young William is living with his grandparents, William and Caroline Galley, in Great Leighs. RG11/1765; Folio: 101; Page: 11 refers. So it seems clear that both William and Annie were illegitimate, and were brought up by stepfathers who married their mothers some years after they were born. It seems very likely that William John Galley's birth is registered as Dec 1877 Chelmsford 4a 269. Hope this helps. Dick Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Hello Dick, > > Thank you for looking - yes I have some problems with this family I must > admit. They seem to change names for some reason, although it was quite > common in those days to do that I have found. > > The date of 18 June 1878 comes from the emigration record I found for a > Wm Galley born 1878 sailed on the 'Southwark' from Liverpool to Quebec > on 20 May 1907. I assumed this was 'my' William Galley as his wife > Annie Galley is recorded as travelling on the 'Empress of > Ireland' arriving at Quebec on 25 October 1907. She is down as > being married, aged 29, and with her children Nellie (actually this > could be Willie?) 8, Chas 6. Walley 3 and Lizzie aged 11 months. I know > that Lizzie existed and was named Lizzie Georgina (Georgina named after > Annie's sister Georgina Mundy) and Charles Samuel Galley existed. Not > sure about who Walley was, maybe he died. > > I have just discovered these following records in Canada where they > emigrated to: > > Military records for Charles Samuel Galley - Mother Annie Wright > (correct) and father Wm J Galley Living at Little Current, Ontario when > he enlisted as a sailor on 3 July 1916. Unmaried at the time. > > Military records for Alfred William Charles Galley born 23 July 1897 (I > have William Galley on my tree) living at Little Current, Ontario. > Father: William John Galley of Romford. Signed up 24/12/1915 - > unmarried. I presume this must be the same person as William Galley as > on the 1901 census in Romford? > > I found a marriage for Charles Samuel Galley to Florence Leonard on 1 > June 1923 in York, Canada, (mother Annie Wright and father Wm J Galley). > > No marriage found for William Galley (or Alfred William) > > Marriage found for Lizzie Georgina Galley to Ernest Hunwicks of Romford > on 26 Apr 1923 in York, Canada. Father Wm John Galley and Mother Annie > Wright. Witness was William Galley of 329 Lippincott St and Florence > Gladys Hunwicks of 329 Lippincott Street, Toronto. > > Regarding the marriage for William John Galley to Annie Wright - they > married on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church in Romford, witnesses were > Francis Eales (I don't know anything about this man) and Georgina > Beatrice Mundy who was Annie's sister. The Wright comes into force > because these 2 girls were adopted by Charles Wright when he married > their mother Lizzie Mundy. Both stepfathers were labourers. William > and Annie address was 90 Marks Road. I have William John as a carman in > 1896 but on the emigration records he is down as a light ship worker on > lakes. In the 1901 census they lived at 207 Marks Road, Romford which > is where my family did all live so that would be right. Charles Wright > (the stepfather of Annie) was a drover. I took the marriage details off > a computer at the ERO so I wonder if Everington might be Etherington? > Just a thought. > > The records for Canada are really impressive, so detailed. Wish the > English ones were as good! I hit a brick wall with William John Galley > prior to 1896. Anything you can find would be a bonus for me. > > Many thanks, > > Diana > > /Re: There doesn't seem to be an entry in the GRO indexes for Jun 1878 or > Sept 1878 for your William John Galley - so what evidence do you have > for his birth in Romford on 18 June 1878? There are a few births on > FreeBMD for Galley in Romford, one of which is John William S, in Dec > 1875, which seems more likely for someone marrying in 1896 - even though > his 1901 census entry does show him as aged 23. > I can't find your William, or John William S, in any pre 1901 census - > althought there is a Robert Galley and wife Mary Ann in Barking in 1891 > who have five children named Galley and a four year old named William > Mills born East Ham who is described as 'son'. RG12/1372,Folio 109, > Page 11 refers. Ancestry has indexed this child as Galley, but that's > clearly wrong - especially since they have a son of their own aged seven > named William, born Barking. > Who are the witnesses at William's marriage? What is John Everington's > occupation? 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AlecTritton will giving a lecture at the Society of Genealogists entitled "Death & resurrection - the body snatchers" on Wednesday 29th October, 2-3pm. The fee will be £5 non-members, £4 members. Ray --- On Sun, 5/10/08, Kevan <kevan@pubsgen.com> wrote: From: Kevan <kevan@pubsgen.com> Subject: [Ess] Body snatching references request To: ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 3:54 PM All, An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & earlier 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good websites, books available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family member who is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of knowledge! Thanks in advance. Best Kevan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It is my understanding that stealing a corpse or body snatching was only a misdemeanour and not a felony and was therefore punishable with a fine and/or imprisonment rather than transportation or execution. If the sentence were more severe it would be because the accused had committed murder or had stolen other items, such as jewellery from the grave. David
Hello Diana There doesn't seem to be an entry in the GRO indexes for Jun 1878 or Sept 1878 for your William John Galley - so what evidence do you have for his birth in Romford on 18 June 1878? There are a few births on FreeBMD for Galley in Romford, one of which is John William S, in Dec 1875, which seems more likely for someone marrying in 1896 - even though his 1901 census entry does show him as aged 23. I can't find your William, or John William S, in any pre 1901 census - althought there is a Robert Galley and wife Mary Ann in Barking in 1891 who have five children named Galley and a four year old named William Mills born East Ham who is described as 'son'. RG12/1372,Folio 109, Page 11 refers. Ancestry has indexed this child as Galley, but that's clearly wrong - especially since they have a son of their own aged seven named William, born Barking. Who are the witnesses at William's marriage? What is John Everington's occupation? What were the addresses of the bride and groom? Dick Mathews Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > Hi listers, > > I have William John Galley born 18 Jun 1878 in Romford, Essex. On his > marriage certificate to Annie Mundy on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church, Romford, > Essex he has a stepfather named as John Everington. I have no details of > this John Everington, William's mother, or where they all lived on the census > prior to 1901 when I have William and his wife Annie in Marks Road, Romford. > Can anyone shed any more light on this ancestor for me? > > Many thanks. > > Diana > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM >
Hello Dick, Thank you for looking - yes I have some problems with this family I must admit. They seem to change names for some reason, although it was quite common in those days to do that I have found. The date of 18 June 1878 comes from the emigration record I found for a Wm Galley born 1878 sailed on the 'Southwark' from Liverpool to Quebec on 20 May 1907. I assumed this was 'my' William Galley as his wife Annie Galley is recorded as travelling on the 'Empress of Ireland' arriving at Quebec on 25 October 1907. She is down as being married, aged 29, and with her children Nellie (actually this could be Willie?) 8, Chas 6. Walley 3 and Lizzie aged 11 months. I know that Lizzie existed and was named Lizzie Georgina (Georgina named after Annie's sister Georgina Mundy) and Charles Samuel Galley existed. Not sure about who Walley was, maybe he died. I have just discovered these following records in Canada where they emigrated to: Military records for Charles Samuel Galley - Mother Annie Wright (correct) and father Wm J Galley Living at Little Current, Ontario when he enlisted as a sailor on 3 July 1916. Unmaried at the time. Military records for Alfred William Charles Galley born 23 July 1897 (I have William Galley on my tree) living at Little Current, Ontario. Father: William John Galley of Romford. Signed up 24/12/1915 - unmarried. I presume this must be the same person as William Galley as on the 1901 census in Romford? I found a marriage for Charles Samuel Galley to Florence Leonard on 1 June 1923 in York, Canada, (mother Annie Wright and father Wm J Galley). No marriage found for William Galley (or Alfred William) Marriage found for Lizzie Georgina Galley to Ernest Hunwicks of Romford on 26 Apr 1923 in York, Canada. Father Wm John Galley and Mother Annie Wright. Witness was William Galley of 329 Lippincott St and Florence Gladys Hunwicks of 329 Lippincott Street, Toronto. Regarding the marriage for William John Galley to Annie Wright - they married on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church in Romford, witnesses were Francis Eales (I don't know anything about this man) and Georgina Beatrice Mundy who was Annie's sister. The Wright comes into force because these 2 girls were adopted by Charles Wright when he married their mother Lizzie Mundy. Both stepfathers were labourers. William and Annie address was 90 Marks Road. I have William John as a carman in 1896 but on the emigration records he is down as a light ship worker on lakes. In the 1901 census they lived at 207 Marks Road, Romford which is where my family did all live so that would be right. Charles Wright (the stepfather of Annie) was a drover. I took the marriage details off a computer at the ERO so I wonder if Everington might be Etherington? Just a thought. The records for Canada are really impressive, so detailed. Wish the English ones were as good! I hit a brick wall with William John Galley prior to 1896. Anything you can find would be a bonus for me. Many thanks, Diana Re: There doesn't seem to be an entry in the GRO indexes for Jun 1878 or Sept 1878 for your William John Galley - so what evidence do you have for his birth in Romford on 18 June 1878? There are a few births on FreeBMD for Galley in Romford, one of which is John William S, in Dec 1875, which seems more likely for someone marrying in 1896 - even though his 1901 census entry does show him as aged 23. I can't find your William, or John William S, in any pre 1901 census - althought there is a Robert Galley and wife Mary Ann in Barking in 1891 who have five children named Galley and a four year old named William Mills born East Ham who is described as 'son'. RG12/1372,Folio 109, Page 11 refers. Ancestry has indexed this child as Galley, but that's clearly wrong - especially since they have a son of their own aged seven named William, born Barking. Who are the witnesses at William's marriage? What is John Everington's occupation? What were the addresses of the bride and groom?
Richardson, Ruth. "Death, Dissection and the Destitute. " My copy is Penguin, 1988 Jane in Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevan" <kevan@pubsgen.com> To: <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:54 AM Subject: [Ess] Body snatching references request > All, > > An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & earlier > 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good websites, > books > available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family member > who > is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of > knowledge! > > Thanks in advance. > > Best > > Kevan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I am trying to find someone who might have information on or some connection with any the following people: William HARLEY, b 1850 Spitalfields, d 1894 Camberwell, Dock Labourer Emily HARLEY (nee FRENCH) b 1848 Romford ESS d 1900 Romford ESS George HARLEY, b 16 Dec 1890 Camberwell, d 11 Nov 1960 Romford ESS Daisy HARLEY, b 28 Dec 1891 Northampton, d 23 Nov 1924 Northampton Emily Rebecca F RIVETT (nee HARLEY) b 1885 Camberwell Richard RIVETT bc 1880 Walworth SRY, Coachbuilder (?) These two were married in 1916, and would have died long ago. This enquiry is on behalf of the 86-year-old son of George and Daisy HARLEY who left home just after the war (to join the Merchant Navy) and lost contact with his family members. He has been living in Australia for many years. Diane Smith Armidale NSW 2350 Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Hello All I'm just subscribing to the list as a 'one off' in case this is of any interest. I've got a letter and photo sent to my great aunt by marriage in 1948. The photo is of Mr & Mrs F Izzard with family members celebrating their golden wedding in 1940. Christian names mentioned are Margaret, Ruth, Jim and Fred. I'm assuming that Clay Hall Farm was in Essex as the letter writer lived in Pitsea. It seems that my great aunt was trying to trace her cousins - I don't know whether she'd found them! Regards Jackie
Hi Kevan (& Listers !) I have two references to this incident in my files because the body- snatchers were caught due to the diligence of Richard PARTRIDGE, F.R.S., M.R.C.S., Professor of Anatomy at King's College, London and at the Royal Academy. He appears on one of the three 'PARTRIDGE' Family Trees that I maintain as "family rumours" state that his descendants are "cousins" - but I have not yet found any proof of the link ! He was offered the body of 'The Italian Boy' for dissection, but was very suspicious of the men offering it, and managed to deceive them into waiting while he arranged for the police to be called. Four men were arrested, one turned Queen's Evidence to save himself, but two of them, Bishop & Williams, were hanged for their crime, and their bodies were given for dissection - Poetic Justice ! The two references are both to be found in "The Times":- a) A letter from Professor PARTRIDGE to The Editor in the issue dated December 5th 1831 - Page 3 - Issue 14713 - Column E. b) A fuller story of the case in the Obituary of Professor PARTRIDGE in "The Times" dated 26th March 1873 - Page 5 - Column D. I managed to find both of these and print them off by using "The Times - Digital Archive: 1785 - 1985", but I know that access to this can be a bit tricky at times if you have not got a subscription, but I think it is possible to get access at public libraries ? I hope this helps ! Best Wishes ! Roger PARTRIDGE, Surbiton, Surrey. ------------------- On 5 Oct 2008, at 16:39, Firebird wrote: > Kevan wrote: > >> An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & >> earlier >> 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good >> websites, books >> available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family >> member who >> is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a >> wealth of >> knowledge! > > The Italian Boy by Sarah Wise* is well referenced which will lead to > additional sources. It's a very interesting book. > > From the synopsis: > > <quote> > Towards the end of 1831, the authorities unearthed a series of crimes > as Number 3, Nova Scotia Gardens in East London that appeared to echo > the notorious Burke and Hare killings in Edinburgh three years earlier > After a short investigation, three body-snatchers (later known as > The London Burkers) were put on trial for supplying the anatomy > schools of London with suspiciously fresh bodies for dissection. > </quote> > > This case led to legislation that ultimately saw the end of body- > snatching in this country. > > * Published by Pimlico (a Random House imprint) 2005 > ISBN 1-8441-3330-3 > > First published by Jonathan Cape 2004. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, I have just received this message on one of my lists, it covers a lot of places and worth a look. Sheila. " ‹(•¿•)› ~ --- On Sun, 5/10/08, The Orange Wasps <orange.wasps@virgin.net> wrote: From: The Orange Wasps <orange.wasps@virgin.net> Subject: [NMB] Fw: Parish Records To: "Northumbria List" <northumbria-L@rootsweb.com>, cheshire@rootsweb.com, hampshire@rootsweb.com, borders@rootsweb.com, "Alicia y Miguel Twinn" <mike.twinn@googlemail.com>, SPICKIN@aol.com, "Vincent Giles" <vgiles@eastlink.ca>, "Jeanette Heath" <dbheath@melbpc.org.au>, "B & B Tunley" <b-tunley@xtra.co.nz>, "Christine Wagg" <christine.wagg@peabody.org.uk>, glenparva@hotmail.com, "lancsgen" <lancsgen-L@rootsweb.com>, "LONDON LIST" <LONDON@rootsweb.com>, "Ron & Eileen Barnett" <rwb148@btinternet.com> Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 12:18 PM This message (slightly edited) came through on a genealogy mailing list - I had a look and it has registers from many counties. Well worth a look and Bookmarking. Ruth in Hambledon "The Cradle of Cricket" -------Original Message------- The Internet Archive has downloadable books (free) for Durham, Northumberland - Corbridge, Ingram and Berwick on Tweed. There are some Parishes in other counties available. These books were published many years ago and are out of copyright. http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=the%20parish%20registers%20of%20England&page=1 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kevan wrote: > An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & earlier > 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good websites, books > available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family member who > is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of > knowledge! The Italian Boy by Sarah Wise* is well referenced which will lead to additional sources. It's a very interesting book. From the synopsis: <quote> Towards the end of 1831, the authorities unearthed a series of crimes as Number 3, Nova Scotia Gardens in East London that appeared to echo the notorious Burke and Hare killings in Edinburgh three years earlier After a short investigation, three body-snatchers (later known as The London Burkers) were put on trial for supplying the anatomy schools of London with suspiciously fresh bodies for dissection. </quote> This case led to legislation that ultimately saw the end of body- snatching in this country. * Published by Pimlico (a Random House imprint) 2005 ISBN 1-8441-3330-3 First published by Jonathan Cape 2004.
Hi, Thanks for your advice but I can't access the censuses anymore. I don't think I found him in 1891 anyway. Who was he living with? I was hoping a kind lister would look up the details for me. Regards Diana
All, An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & earlier 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good websites, books available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family member who is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of knowledge! Thanks in advance. Best Kevan
There is a Clay Hill Road in Vange, in between Basildon and Pitsea, so maybe that is where the farm was. Nan
Hi listers, I have William John Galley born 18 Jun 1878 in Romford, Essex. On his marriage certificate to Annie Mundy on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church, Romford, Essex he has a stepfather named as John Everington. I have no details of this John Everington, William's mother, or where they all lived on the census prior to 1901 when I have William and his wife Annie in Marks Road, Romford. Can anyone shed any more light on this ancestor for me? Many thanks. Diana
Hi am Looking for Issac Wildsmith recorded as an undertaker in 1881 Living with wife Mary and children Samuel, Alice and Bernard at lea Bridge Rd leyton. I am endevering to link the family to their ancestors. I would like to establish any family in 1841 or 1851 census which may give me a lead of where Issac was born Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Aust
Further to my email of 6th September to you, I have now been up to Society of Genealogists and found my Sarah ROLPH (note new spelling, not Rolfe as I previously thought) and Moses MIALL's marriage in Billericay on 18 June 1807 by Licence. I have also found the licence allegation but not the bond. I presume I can only see this, if it is still in existence, at the Essex CRO? Unfortunately the SoG do not hold any of the Gt Burstead/Billericay parish records. Is there anyone that can help me find Sarah's birth there about 1785/6? I believe her father was called George. I did find another Rolph marriage in Great Burstead - that of Sarah Rolph and William Hewitt of Ingrave (again by licence) on 1 Apr 1782 but I have no idea if this is connected - perhaps my Sarah's aunt????? Any help will be very much appreciated! Kind regards Carolyn
Hi Bob, Your relatives lived in Leyton/Leytonstone back to the 1841 census. They did though (not unusually) change their forenames. Your Isaac was formerly Benjamin Isaac and married in 1865. In former census' he was a carpenter so its easy to guess what he did in the funeral trade. His father was Frederick and also a carpenter, married to Kezia in 1861 census; in 1851 he was a builder, and in the 1841 census he called himself William. Hope this helps. I have the ntries if you need them. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilesmith" <wiler.bob@bigpond.com> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [Ess] 1841 census lookup for Leytonstone, Essex > Hi am Looking for Issac Wildsmith recorded as an undertaker in 1881 Living > with wife Mary and children Samuel, Alice and Bernard at lea Bridge Rd > leyton. I am endevering to link the family to their ancestors. > > I would like to establish any family in 1841 or 1851 census which may give > me a lead of where Issac was born > > Regards Bob Wilesmith > NSW Aust > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
In a message dated 04/10/2008 15:14:19 GMT Standard Time, wiler.bob@bigpond.com writes: Hi am Looking for Issac Wildsmith recorded as an undertaker in 1881 Living with wife Mary and children Samuel, Alice and Bernard at lea Bridge Rd leyton. I am endevering to link the family to their ancestors. I would like to establish any family in 1841 or 1851 census which may give me a lead of where Issac was born Hi Bob, There seems to be a problem with Isaac's name, the 1881 Census is the only one in which he appears as Isaac, in every other census from 1851 to 1901 he is Benjamin, definitely the same person. All the entries give his birth place as Leytonstone. In 1851 he is with his parents Frederick and Kezia, I will send the images separately. Regards, Jennifer **************