Hello All. I just want to thank you all for your feedback and comments on the 1801 Map of Kent preview image displayed recently. Having lost myself to my job over the past year I had almost forgotten how to display MAPCO maps, so your comments, thoughts, and messages of support were greatly appreciated! Thank you all so much. I will be announcing news of the Kent map soon. Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com *****************************************

Do you have a birth year/place for this lady? It would make looking for her a bit easier............Nancy

Images sent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GEORGE LIAKOSGM" <liakosgm@btinternet.com> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: [Ess] 1851-1861 CENSUS > Hello, > > Mary Ann WRIGHT was a nun at the New Hall Covent near Chelmsford. I'd love > to find her entry in the 1851, 1861 Censuses, and if possible I'd greatly > appreciate a scan of the images. > > Regards > > George > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello,   Mary Ann WRIGHT was a nun at the New Hall Covent near Chelmsford. I'd love to find her entry in the 1851, 1861 Censuses, and if possible I'd greatly appreciate a scan of the images.   Regards   George

This was the case with my granddaughters. My daughter and her partner both attended the Registrars office. The father's name is on their birth certificates. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DVDobbin@aol.com> To: <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: birth certs with unmarried parents? > > Depends what you mean? My paternal grandparents were not > > married, but my father's surname was taken from his father and > > no-one objected. I was allowed to put the father's name on > > the birth certificate of my own son, even though I was not > > married. My son is not married but has a son, and his > > ex-girlfriend allowed my son's surname on the birth > > certificate. Where my grandparents were concerned, only my > > grandmother went to register the birth. > > Where my grandson is concerned, his mother went to register > > the birth, my son didn't go with her, yet she was allowed to > > put my son's surname on the birth certificate and not her own > > surname. A flaw in the system - possibly. > > Whilst waiting to order a certificate from my local Registrar, I overheard several phone calls where the first question from the Registrar was 'Are you married to the father?'. The explanation that followed was 'If you are married to the father then only one of you needs to be present. If you are not married to him then both of you must be present' > > So far as I am aware, this is the normal requirement in all cases. After all, it is possible for a woman to give the name of the father as someone she hardly knew, let alone get close enough to be pregnant by him. If that man was married and was falsely 'accused', it could cause all sorts of complications and embarrassment if that registration became public > > Perhaps in your case(s) the Registrar made a judgement call and decided the risk of false information was slight. > > Dave D > > > > Message has been scanned by Webshield > > > > Message has been scanned by Webshield

Hello, There are two marriages listed in Boyd's Index for which it would be worthwhile to look up the full details: - 1693 John Barnard and Elizabeth Fish (Huntingdon Archdeaconry Marriage Licence). - 1682 John Barnard and Elizabeth Delidox (All Hallows, London Wall). Note that most of the parishes in Hertfordshire were in the Archdeaconry of Huntingdon before 1845. Regards, Charles Fuller. jo mason wrote: > I am also looking for a BARNARD - the marriage > John Barnard apothecary of Braintree to Elizabeth? before 1693 when oldest > son John bap (IGI) dau Elizabeth bap 1696 Braintree pr, Mary bc 1704 [bap > not found] is my ancestor. > Thanks > Jo in Leics

HO107/1837 Calne, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 46/F107 Joseph BRYANT, 55, Highway Surveyor, b. Kingston, Som. Susannah, 50, b. Cherhill Emma, 21, b. Stanway, Essex Ann, 17, Pupil Teacher, b. Calne, Wilts Ellen, 15, do Rebecca, 11, scholar, do CENSUS 4 Page 18/F143 George LARGE, 30, Groom, b. Manningtree, Essex Emma, 28, b. Braisford, Kent Mary Ann, 1 month, b. Calne, Wilts.

HO107/1846 Britford, Wiltshire CENSUS 2 Page 1 The Lane Sarah MILL/MILE,widow, 69, Annuitant, b. South Church, Essex Appears to be living alone HO107/1839 Bromham, Wiltshire CENSUS 2 Page 23/F531 Alfred LEFEAUX, 34, Schoolmaster, b. City Road, Mddx. Mary, 32, Schoolmistress, b. Gt.Bookham, Surrey Mary Ann Cooksey, 16, House Servant, b. Bromham, Wilts. Alfred LEFEAUX, son, 5, scholar, b. Essex Page 28/F534 Samuel MEREDITH, 55, Commander R.N., H.P., b.Dedham, Essex Lydia, 54, b.Greenwich Mary, 22, Wiltshire Constable, b. Stonehouse, Devon Lydia, 30, b. Portsea Mary James, svt, 32, House Servant, b. Berwich St.Johns, Wilts. Mary Ann Mallard, svt, 22, do b. Bath Mary Ann Amor, svt, 22, b. Bromham, Wilts. HO107/1844 Burbage, Wiltshire CENSUS 2 Page 14/F354 Elizabeth DAVIS, 60, Schoolmistress, b. Essex Isabella, sister, 54, do Mary T. Dyer, niece, 9, scholar, b. Christchurch Edwin Hawkins, 6, do b. Gt.Bedwyn, Wilts. Amelia Laurance, svt, 19, House Servant, b. do

Hi again Kevan ! A little bit more information on this topic - there is a lecture entitled "Death and Resurrection - the Body Snatchers" at the Society of Genealogists on Wednesday/29/October/2008 from 2 p.m. - 3 p.m. - given by Alec TRITTON. It costs £ 4 to Members and £ 5 to non-members. Are you a Member ? You can book tickets by credit card on 020-7553-3290, or on their website www.sog.org.uk or by email <events@sog.org.uk> There is a 40p booking fee for phone and online bookings to cover postage. From the 'blurb' on the leaflet it sounds as if it will be interesting ! I hope this helps ! Best Wishes ! Roger. ---------------------- On 12 Oct 2008, at 00:11, Kevan wrote: > All, > A big thank you to all of the replies, that have been forwarded > to the > relevant family member. > > I was quite amazed at how much knowledge existed in just one > list, well - > I guess - I knew this really. > > There were many interesting links, recommendations, etc about > 'body > snatching' and the eventual law in 1832 which apparently made it > easier for > hospitals to receive bodies, if unknown at death, to be available for > dissection & medical usage. [I am making this up as I go along, I > need to > read the material properly, but fairly correct]. > > Thanks for all the responses. > Best > Kevan > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Kevan > Sent: 05 October 2008 15:55 > To: ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ess] Body snatching references request > > All, > > An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & > earlier > 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good > websites, books > available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family > member who > is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of > knowledge! > > Thanks in advance. > > Best > > Kevan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

All, A big thank you to all of the replies, that have been forwarded to the relevant family member. I was quite amazed at how much knowledge existed in just one list, well - I guess - I knew this really. There were many interesting links, recommendations, etc about 'body snatching' and the eventual law in 1832 which apparently made it easier for hospitals to receive bodies, if unknown at death, to be available for dissection & medical usage. [I am making this up as I go along, I need to read the material properly, but fairly correct]. Thanks for all the responses. Best Kevan -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevan Sent: 05 October 2008 15:55 To: ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Body snatching references request All, An odd topic, but I am looking for references to Victorian & earlier 'body snatching' for medical research. This can include good websites, books available (can be the British Library) etc. This is for a family member who is researching the same, and thought you guys seem to have a wealth of knowledge! Thanks in advance. Best Kevan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers I am a descendant of the family of JOHN Tyrell and PHEOBE EVE who married 23.11.1819. In TERLING, Essex. Their daughter, SUSANNAH married SAMUEL BARNARD in WITHAM in 1849 and emigrated to Australia in 1852. If any person has any knowledge of this family any information about the TYRELL-EVE-REID BARNARD families would be appreciated. I also have copies of a photograph of LUCY SHAPRE TYRELL, nee CLARKE, born WRITTLE, and her son, JAMES, C. 1855.There is also a photo of this lady taken in INSLINGTON (England). She was apparently the wife of WHILIAM TYRELL, the brother of SUSANNAH above. It is believed LUCY died in HASTINGS about 1888. (From a memorial card) with WILLIAM dying about 1882 also in HASTINGS. We have the name of John's parents, i.e. JOHN TYRELL, born 1756, Terling and HANNAH REAID, born Feb. 1758, parents or birth Place unknown Of SAMUEL BARND'S ancestors we know his father was ABRAHAM, born 1808 ,LITTLE COGERHALL and JANE, surname unknown born about 1811. Any information would be greatly appreciated Regards Les.

Dear Kristy, Many thanks for your excellent advice. I've noticed that several of my people were married twice, in some cases it was clearly because of first wives dying in childbirth. However, I have a confession to make - I decided to go further back into the parish registers, and I found a Mary BARNARD baptized in 1727 in Ramsey. I can't prove it was the right Mary Barnard, and it means she would have been at least six years older than her husband, but it's the right name, in the same place that Joseph was born in, and roughly the right time. This is another lesson for me - don't always expect husband and wife to be of roughly similar ages. Many thanks for your advice, which I'll certainly remember. All the best, Carole ==================== Dr C P Biggam, FSA Dept of English Language University of Glasgow ==================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristy M To: C P Biggam ; Essex UK Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: RE: [Ess] Mary BARNARD Hi Carole, There is always the chance that she married before, and BARNARD was her married name. This has happened with a family I was researching. I didn't even think to look for a former marriage at first, because she only would have been about twenty-one at the time of her second marriage, but she had been married for a short time previously before being widowed. So it might be worth looking for any male BARNARD marriages to a Mary, then comparing these names to death registers between then and the time of Mary's marriage to Joshua. Or, she was from a completely different place :-) It's worth a shot, though. Good luck. Kristy > From: c.p.biggam@btinternet.com > To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:57:01 +0100 > CC: c.p.biggam@btinternet.com > Subject: [Ess] Mary BARNARD > > I wonder if anyone can help me with finding the birthplace and birth-date of Mary BARNARD who married Joshua CLARKE in 1755 in Ramsey. Her husband was born about 1733 in Ramsey. I've tried all the more obvious places, including the Ramsey parish register for baptisms in the period 1645-1802. If the register is complete, Mary must have come from elsewhere. > > Best regards, > > Carole Biggam > ==================== > Dr C P Biggam, FSA > Dept of English Language > University of Glasgow > ==================== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am also looking for a BARNARD - the marriage John Barnard apothecary of Braintree to Elizabeth? before 1693 when oldest son John bap (IGI) dau Elizabeth bap 1696 Braintree pr, Mary bc 1704 [bap not found] is my ancestor. Thanks Jo in Leics jo.mason@swsmail.net holmested@one-name.org

Hi Carole, There is always the chance that she married before, and BARNARD was her married name. This has happened with a family I was researching. I didn't even think to look for a former marriage at first, because she only would have been about twenty-one at the time of her second marriage, but she had been married for a short time previously before being widowed. So it might be worth looking for any male BARNARD marriages to a Mary, then comparing these names to death registers between then and the time of Mary's marriage to Joshua. Or, she was from a completely different place :-) It's worth a shot, though. Good luck. Kristy > From: c.p.biggam@btinternet.com > To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:57:01 +0100 > CC: c.p.biggam@btinternet.com > Subject: [Ess] Mary BARNARD > > I wonder if anyone can help me with finding the birthplace and birth-date of Mary BARNARD who married Joshua CLARKE in 1755 in Ramsey. Her husband was born about 1733 in Ramsey. I've tried all the more obvious places, including the Ramsey parish register for baptisms in the period 1645-1802. If the register is complete, Mary must have come from elsewhere. > > Best regards, > > Carole Biggam > ==================== > Dr C P Biggam, FSA > Dept of English Language > University of Glasgow > ==================== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

I wonder if anyone can help me with finding the birthplace and birth-date of Mary BARNARD who married Joshua CLARKE in 1755 in Ramsey. Her husband was born about 1733 in Ramsey. I've tried all the more obvious places, including the Ramsey parish register for baptisms in the period 1645-1802. If the register is complete, Mary must have come from elsewhere. Best regards, Carole Biggam ==================== Dr C P Biggam, FSA Dept of English Language University of Glasgow ====================

-----Original Message----- From: Phil Warn [mailto:philwarn@ntlworld.com] Kevan, You "should" have Googled for "King Harold Day", matey! <http://www.kingharoldday.co.uk/f_basic/index.php> Starts at ten am. Bring good eye protectors and do not look up! Harold 2 would be excluded as he would be nearly 1,000 years old. Hee hee! There'll be a beer tent with lots of Archers on sale (not). So you know, this do is held every year on the closest Saturday to the date of Harold's death - 14th October. It's been going about 4 years now and has proved to be massively popular. If anyone fancies a peek at the 14 bells in the church steeple, it will be open to the public (over 8's only I believe, due to insurance). This only happens a couple of times a year. You'll even be able to walk round the roof on top and see the view far and wide, from Epping Forest across to the Lea Valley and down into London. Bring a good camera! There's a few car parks around the site, but they will inevitably be full up, so I suggest you enter the town from the west (there's a loop road running round the north of the centre, heading for Hertfordshire; take this and double back into town at a big roundabout). You will find yourself driving towards the church tower, then the road bends to the right just in front of it. After a few feet, it bends to the left again, but just before it does there's a turning on the right (There's a restaurant called MUHINOOR on the corner, which was obviously a pub until recently - the Coach and Horses). Take it, and turn immediately right again down a small lane with a sign for a car park, with the restaurant on your left. This car park is the biggest in town and is free on Saturdays. It will only be a short walk back to the church, and to the do which will take place in its grounds. There's a page on the site Phil has so kindly found that lists all the exhibitors etc. that have been booked for the day, and this should give you a taster of what to expect: http://www.kingharoldday.co.uk/f_news/news_detail.php?news_id=33 For a more basic timetable: http://www.kingharoldday.co.uk/f_attractions/index.php Apologies for being offtopic; in an attempt to put just a tiny bit of genealogy into this posting, I'll tell you that I was considering dressing up as a Viking for the day, and if anyone dared to tell me I was in the wrong century, I'd tell them I was Harold's grandad - and William's too! Maybe next year... Lawrence No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1717 - Release Date: 09/10/2008 16:56

Kevan, You "should" have Googled for "King Harold Day", matey! <http://www.kingharoldday.co.uk/f_basic/index.php> Starts at ten am. Bring good eye protectors and do not look up! Harold 2 would be excluded as he would be nearly 1,000 years old. Cheers, Phil Orpington, Kent (Not an Essex lad!) >Hi Lawrence, > Tell us all more, where it is, maps, etc. I might have a wander >along. >Big Kid, about two and a half thousand weeks old. >Thanks >Kevan Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm>

Hi Lawrence, Tell us all more, where it is, maps, etc. I might have a wander along. Big Kid, about two and a half thousand weeks old. Thanks Kevan -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of La Greenall Sent: 09 October 2008 00:10 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] King Harold Hi all. Just a quick reminder that King Harold Day will be taking place this Saturday at Waltham Abbey. If you can come along you won't regret it (unless it rains!) - if you say hello to me on the WA Hist Soc stall in the afternoon I'll say hello back! Kids (from 3 weeks to 300 years old) very welcome. Cheers, Lawrence No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 04/10/2008 11:35 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all. Just a quick reminder that King Harold Day will be taking place this Saturday at Waltham Abbey. If you can come along you won't regret it (unless it rains!) - if you say hello to me on the WA Hist Soc stall in the afternoon I'll say hello back! Kids (from 3 weeks to 300 years old) very welcome. Cheers, Lawrence No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 04/10/2008 11:35

Hi everyone, I just wanted to say a big 'thank you' to Dianne and Dick for their invaluable help in helping me with my query on the above person. They both must have worked so hard to find out all the information - I really appreciate their help. I can now enter a lot more information onto my tree and some puzzles have been solved - and yet other puzzles have arisen! My query has also produced two emails from other parties interested in the Galley family so we are now working to see if there is a connection. Thanks to Kevan too for your comments. Yes, Marks Road featured a lot in our family. It seems various members of the family lived along the road, moving houses occasionally but staying in Marks Road, and they more often than not married neighbours! My great grandparents used to have a sweet shop down there. Once again listers, thank you for your help. Kind regards Diana Re: I have William John Galley born 18 Jun 1878 in Romford, Essex. On his marriage certificate to Annie Mundy on 24 Oct 1896 at St Andrew's Church, Romford, Essex he has a stepfather named as John Everington. I have no details of this John Everington, William's mother, or where they all lived on the census prior to 1901 when I have William and his wife Annie in Marks Road, Romford. Can anyone shed any more light on this ancestor for me?