You can still hear them. If you get digital radio (or Tv) then you can hear them being repeated along with the Navy Lark, and I believe Much binding in the Marsh, Educating Archie and others Radio 7 is the name of the station and a look at the BBC website will tell you: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio7/programmes/genres/entertainmentandcomedy Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Warn Sent: 22 October 2008 15:50 To: Colleen; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Kenneth Horne show in Walthamstow Hello Colleen, Yes, many of them I think that "many, many, times" said in a suggestive voice was one of the phrases, too There was Rambling Sid Rumpo, signing "Green grow your nadgers, O" "Hello I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy" said in a camp voice. Kenneth William, of course. Betty Marsden, Bill Pertwee, Hugh Paddick, Douglas Smith (the announcer?) are names I remember from a misspent youth. Fiona & Charles was an oft repeated interlude, with "I know", "I know you know", often inserted , (as a filler?) J. Peasemould Gruntbuttock, was another character. There were also takeoffs of well known TV characters. Seamus Android (Eamonn Andrews), Fanny Haddock (Fanny Craddock, of course), Daphne Whitethigh (Katherine Whitehorne?) It got quite near the knuckle at times, but double entendres are in the mind, they say Phil At 15:05 22/10/2008, Colleen wrote: I recall that Kenneth Horne's shows were a great favourite but can't remember much about these. I vaguely remember Horne becoming various odd ball characters in Round The Horne and my uncle doing mpressions of these yet I can't remember the names of any of these characters my uncle had a talent for mimicking. Phil Warn Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi Listers, Tonight at the library I found a record for a person I am trace. It is the right name and right year of birth but there is no indication of where he was born or came from apart from that he was English. On Ancestry.com I found the following record for Immigration: Alfred Peter Perry born 1914. I found him on the 'List or Manifest of Aliens Employed on the vessel as members of crew'. Vessel: Br.str. "Princess Kathleen" arriving at Seattle Washington May 16 1936. He was a Fireman, age 22, English, 6'1" weight 176 and has served 4 years. Sailed from port of Victoria B.C. (British Columbia I think) He crops up on lots of records for the same ship over the 4 years. Joined up 1/6/1932 age 17 Princess Kathleen, height 6.0 (grew an inch over 4 years!) My question is this: Was he naval or merchant navy? How did he get to be on a Canadian Pacific Railway ship? Does this mean he emigrated or joined the ship from England? Are the records for this ship or Merchant Navy personnel in the National Archives at Kew? Would he have automatically been called up for the war as a sailor if this was his profession? For England or Canada? Hoping someone can shed some light on this. Many thanks, Diana

Hi Colleen Round the Horn and Beyond our Ken were the names of the series. Available now on BBC cassettes from Amazon etc, and just as funny. Cast starred Kenneth Horne, Kenneth Williams, Hugh Paddick, Betty Marsden and Bill Pertwee, with announcer Douglas Smith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Our_Ken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_the_Horne Dame Celia Molestrangler and 'ageing juvenile' Binkie Huckaback The Navy Lark does not hold up as well, but I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again does. They used to make my Sunday lunchtimes in Basildon bearable. Them and Ken Dodd. But I think that we are way off topic Cheers Steve Colleen wrote: > Much of my childhood during the 1950s - 60s was spent with my grandparents in Walthamstow where I had a wonderful time being spoiled rotten and running wild. > > One blot on, what to me was a golden age, were Sunday afternoons. I recall these being a misery to be endured because they were so dismally quiet and boring. Though even Sundays had their high spots: my grandmother's marvellous roast lunches smothered with mint sauce, usually cobbled together from very cheap and cheerful ingredients such as brisket of lamb and produce from the garden, also the unrivalled shows on the radio, which one of my uncles used to mimic. > > I recall that Kenneth Horne's shows were a great favourite but can't remember much about these. I vaguely remember Horne becoming various odd ball characters in Round The Horne and my uncle doing impressions of these yet I can't remember the names of any of these characters my uncle had a talent for mimicking. > > Was one of them Osmold Smish and does anyone recall any of the others? > > Thanks. > > Colleen > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Colleen, Yes, many of them I think that "many, many, times" said in a suggestive voice was one of the phrases, too There was Rambling Sid Rumpo, signing "Green grow your nadgers, O" "Hello I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy" said in a camp voice. Kenneth William, of course. Betty Marsden, Bill Pertwee, Hugh Paddick, Douglas Smith (the announcer?) are names I remember from a misspent youth. Fiona & Charles was an oft repeated interlude, with "I know", "I know you know", often inserted , (as a filler?) J. Peasemould Gruntbuttock, was another character. There were also takeoffs of well known TV characters. Seamus Android (Eamonn Andrews), Fanny Haddock (Fanny Craddock, of course), Daphne Whitethigh (Katherine Whitehorne?) It got quite near the knuckle at times, but double entendres are in the mind, they say Phil At 15:05 22/10/2008, Colleen wrote: >I recall that Kenneth Horne's shows were a great >favourite but can't remember much about these. I >vaguely remember Horne becoming various odd ball >characters in Round The Horne and my uncle doing >impressions of these yet I can't remember the >names of any of these characters my uncle had a talent for mimicking. Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm>

Much of my childhood during the 1950s - 60s was spent with my grandparents in Walthamstow where I had a wonderful time being spoiled rotten and running wild. One blot on, what to me was a golden age, were Sunday afternoons. I recall these being a misery to be endured because they were so dismally quiet and boring. Though even Sundays had their high spots: my grandmother's marvellous roast lunches smothered with mint sauce, usually cobbled together from very cheap and cheerful ingredients such as brisket of lamb and produce from the garden, also the unrivalled shows on the radio, which one of my uncles used to mimic. I recall that Kenneth Horne's shows were a great favourite but can't remember much about these. I vaguely remember Horne becoming various odd ball characters in Round The Horne and my uncle doing impressions of these yet I can't remember the names of any of these characters my uncle had a talent for mimicking. Was one of them Osmold Smish and does anyone recall any of the others? Thanks. Colleen

Csgen50@aol.com wrote: > I was actually aware about the registration being for identity cards and > ration books but thought it too obvious to mention. I simply responded to the > point being made about NHS and NI. I hope it's now clear to you what the connection was between the 1939 registration and the NHS/NI Bye

Albert Death, born 1872 in Brightlingsea was the brother in law of my GGrandfather Thomas Whisson Peggs . In May 1911 Thomas signed on as a seaman on the Schooner Oceana, the master of which was Albert. I have a copy of the Crew List which states that the voyage, which began and ended in Brightlingsea, lasted until October 1911. The Oceana was owned by Gilbert Augustus Tonge a wealthy business man with a large estate in Cowlinge Suffolk. The purpose of the voyage was given as "cruising for pleasure to any British or Foreign ports the owner or master may deem proper". My researches seem to indicate that the Oceana may have been used for racing. Can any one provide me with further details of the Oceana, its voyages and design. A Picture would be "the holy grail" Thanks Alan Peggs

Caroline Bradford wrote: > We are certainly expecting something in 2009, though I am not sure about the > "first working day after Jan 1" part. So far as I can tell, no commitment > has been made to this date - or should I be getting excited! Excited, yes. Patient, very definitely! :)) As each new release is made, I can see it will be hit hard by by thousands of eager family historians and genealogists who're champing at the bit. I've several people I'm keen to find, but they're all in small places so it'll be at least a year before I'll be able to find them :))

I was actually aware about the registration being for identity cards and ration books but thought it too obvious to mention. I simply responded to the point being made about NHS and NI. Mick

We are certainly expecting something in 2009, though I am not sure about the "first working day after Jan 1" part. So far as I can tell, no commitment has been made to this date - or should I be getting excited! Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Firebird > Sent: 21 October 2008 22:40 > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ess] 1911 census (was: Hello List:) > > Shelley Cameron wrote: > > Could sks please tell me when the 1911 census will be available? > > It's being rolled out from the first working day after Jan 1 2009. It > is not being released in one go. It will start with the major cities, > then the major towns and finally the villages and hamlets. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Shelley Cameron wrote: > Could sks please tell me when the 1911 census will be available? It's being rolled out from the first working day after Jan 1 2009. It is not being released in one go. It will start with the major cities, then the major towns and finally the villages and hamlets.

HO107/1851 Chilmark, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 8/F286 Charles JONES,36, Local Rector, b. Clapham, Surrey Ellen Frances, 29, b. Geneva, B.S. Caroline Sophia, 5, b. Chilmark, Wilts Edith Mary, 3, do Charles Marsh, 18 months, do Baby Boy, 1 month, do Henrietta Octavia, sister, 26, visitor from London, b. Shenfield, Essex Dinah Down, svt, 24, Cook, b. Beever Green? Kent Martha Goodfellow, svt, 24, Nurse, b. Fovant, Wilts. Sarah Louisa FOWLER, svt, 23, Lady's Maid, b. Epping, Essex Sarah Neat,svt, 20, Parlour Maid, b. London, Mddx. Page 20/F291 Robert GUNT, 30+ (sic) Gardener, b. Loughton, Essex Susannah, 37, b. Epping Susannah, 11, scholar, b. Loughton Samuel, 10, do do Sarah, 7, b. Chilmark, Wilts. (Next door is Silas Gunt) HO107/1686 Chilton Foliat, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 3/F395 Catherine PALMER, 56, Infant School, b. Claybury Hill, Essex Eliza, sister, 46, b. Chilton, Wilts.

Thank you for your reply. Shelley Caroline Bradford wrote: > We are certainly expecting something in 2009, though I am not sure about the > "first working day after Jan 1" part. So far as I can tell, no commitment > has been made to this date - or should I be getting excited! > > Caroline > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Firebird >> Sent: 21 October 2008 22:40 >> To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Ess] 1911 census (was: Hello List:) >> >> Shelley Cameron wrote: >> >>> Could sks please tell me when the 1911 census will be available? >>> >> It's being rolled out from the first working day after Jan 1 2009. It >> is not being released in one go. It will start with the major cities, >> then the major towns and finally the villages and hamlets. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- >> admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you for your reply. Shelley Firebird wrote: > Shelley Cameron wrote: > >> Could sks please tell me when the 1911 census will be available? >> > > It's being rolled out from the first working day after Jan 1 2009. It > is not being released in one go. It will start with the major cities, > then the major towns and finally the villages and hamlets. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

HO107/1846 Charlton Tything, Wiltshire Page 14/F48 William JENKYN, 29, Local Curate, b. Takely, Essex Sarah Challis, widow, 54, Housekeeper Annuitant, b. Downton, Wilts. Ellen, 17, Assistant to Housekeeper, do

Csgen50@aol.com wrote: > The NHS did not exist until 1948 though I do not know when N.I. payments > started, before, after or during the war. The 1939 registration was originally intended to be used for the issue of ration books. It also had the benefit of finding out who the able bodied men were of the right age. Rationing continued until the 1950s. Like I said, the 1939 registration was used as the *basis* for the NHS or NI system, not that the 1939 registration was used to start either system in 1939. 8>< snip

Hi, Mick & LIsters ! I think you will find that the 1939 Registration was carried out so that the Government could issue the National Identity Cards which were issued to everybody ? I still have mine even though I was only 10 1/2 when the War ended. There were 4 letters and 4 numbers on them for example ABCD 123/1; I have not given my actual number as I still use the 4 numbers as my PIN on my bank card and credit cards ! You can actually work out the individual's position in a family by the 4th number as the father was "1", the mother was "2" and the children were numbered from "3" onwards. Best Wishes ! Roger. --------------------- On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:38, Csgen50@aol.com wrote: > > There was the 1939 registration but I believe that is subject to the > 100 year rule as well, as it does still exist - unless someone knows > different, of course :) It isn't as comprehensive as a census > because > it wasn't intended for that purpose. It was used as the basis for > either the NHS or NI so they will be extra careful with that even > though the numbers used in the original are no longer used today > > > The NHS did not exist until 1948 though I do not know when N.I. > payments > started, before, after or during the war. > > Frankly with the way they allow hard drives, and so forth, containing > sensitive material to go astray nowadays - any excuse about the above > registration containing sensitive material is totally irrelevant. > > Mick >

Could sks please tell me when the 1911 census will be available? Shelley

There was the 1939 registration but I believe that is subject to the 100 year rule as well, as it does still exist - unless someone knows different, of course :) It isn't as comprehensive as a census because it wasn't intended for that purpose. It was used as the basis for either the NHS or NI so they will be extra careful with that even though the numbers used in the original are no longer used today The NHS did not exist until 1948 though I do not know when N.I. payments started, before, after or during the war. Frankly with the way they allow hard drives, and so forth, containing sensitive material to go astray nowadays - any excuse about the above registration containing sensitive material is totally irrelevant. Mick

Caroline Bradford wrote: > Firebird wrote: > >> It's been released early because of agitation by a minority... > > The minority who agitated may wish to believe this, but frankly I doubt it. One man has been credited with being the prime mover behind the early release and (IIRC) has claimed the "victory" himself. > The National Archives was committed to ensuring that the complete census > would be available in 2012. By this they meant, not just the ability of > individual researchers to view the original documents at Kew, but the > ability for researchers worldwide to search through and view the images. > This involves a gargantuan task of scanning, transcription and indexing, > which was bound to take a number of years and cost hundreds of thousands of > pounds. My guess is that no company was prepared to put up the money to do > the work with no prospect of a return on their investment for 4-5 years > (would you, if you were in business?). So a deal was struck which allowed > brightsolid (the company which owns findmypast) to release the fruits of > their labours as they went on, bit by bit from 2009 until 2012 (the deadline > for completion). It is a solution which makes sense for everyone. This is no different from all the earlier censuses though, although the 1911 is very much larger than any of the other censuses. It may make sense for everyone but sense and governments are not happy bedfellows :)) As I understand it the census will be fully available with only the exception of the disabilities column before 2012, with that last column being revealed in January 2012. The exclusion of that final bit of information seems to be adding an unwarranted level of complexity and expense. > We should always remember that the oft quoted "100 year rule" under which > the 1921 and subsequent censuses were conducted did not increase the level > of privacy of the information provided. On the contrary - earlier censuses > were undertaken under a promise of complete confidentiality, a promise which > we have all been complicit in breaking for the sake of our own enjoyment of > our hobby. Ther have been some who've disputed that and said that the 100 year rule was applied retrospectively to the earlier censuses and some of those were released early too. There was a long discussion about it on soc.genealogy.britain a couple of years ago when the demands for the early release under the Freedom of Information Act were first raised. It raised a few temperatures too :)