St Albans is in Herts, not Middlesex! Births Sep 1882 (>99%) Bates Frank Frederick St. Alban's 3a 479 Anne ( in Herts) On 26 Oct 2008, at 04:50, Peter & Gwen Bates wrote: > > I am a new subscriber and am searching foe information on the > descendants Frank Frederick BATES and Edith Elizabeth WILCOX. > > Frank was born c.1883 in St.Albans. Mdx > I believe Edith was born in Biggleswade Beds. year not known > but birth date thought to be May 19th. > > Five (5) children all born in Walthamstow, Essex. > > Sadie Beatrice BATES b. Nov 1901. > Frank Montgomery BATES b. April 1906. > Thomas George BATES b. c.1908 > Ernest Edward BATES b. Dec 1910 Lives with son in Canada. > Edith Mary BATES b. c.1912 > > In particular seeking information on Frank, Thomas and Edith. > > I understand Sadie became a Nun - lived and died (1989) Sussex > Ernest went to Canada. > > Cheers Peter BATES > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello there ! If your talking of St. Clements Church Leigh -on-Sea, I have a few interior "snaps" should you be interested, will forward to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Vesey" <veseybrown@sympatico.ca> To: <> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: [Ess] Essex heritage weekend - photos > Further to Colleen's note ( and very kind offer of help) > did anyone on the List get involved , on Heritage Wkend, in taking photos > of the interior/MIs/etc at Stambourne and/or Leigh on Sea > Would love copies . > David Vesey > Toronto Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I did it ! toddled over from Southern Germany via Sonny Southend....... got there a bit later than planned (Brit. Rail. Bless 'em ) but had a very nice day, explored the Town and found a nice Pub too............. so thanks for the tip ! eddy in bavaria (Abensberger Bogenbiegern - Bow benders ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarn@ntlworld.com> To: "Kevan" <kevan@pubsgen.com>; "'La Greenall'" <elde.worth@ntlworld.com>; <> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] King Harold Kevan, You "should" have Googled for "King Harold Day", matey! <http://www.kingharoldday.co.uk/f_basic/index.php> Starts at ten am. Bring good eye protectors and do not look up! Harold 2 would be excluded as he would be nearly 1,000 years old. Cheers, Phil Orpington, Kent (Not an Essex lad!) >Hi Lawrence, > Tell us all more, where it is, maps, etc. I might have a wander >along. >Big Kid, about two and a half thousand weeks old. >Thanks >Kevan Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All. I have just displayed a high quality map of London from 1814 on the MAPCO website. You can view it here: Darton's Strangers Guide Through The Streets Of London And Westminster. &c., or, A New And Correct Plan Of London And Westminster With The Latest Improvements, 1814. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/darton1814/darton.htm Use the thumbnail map at the top of each page to navigate your way around the map. Hovering your mouse pointer over the thumbnails will display a pop-up message showing the areas covered by that map section. A coloured thumbnail image shows you where you are on the map. There are also 2 enlarged images of each map section displayed. These are accessed by clicking on the left half or right half of the map image itself. Again, a pop-up "Click To Enlarge" message will be displayed when you hover your mouse pointer over the image. Enjoy this beautiful map! Kind regards, David Hale, Adelaide, South Australia. MAPCO : Map And Plan Collection Online http://archivemaps.com

Hi, Is Louise Argent still on this list? If so could she contact me, regarding some news of the HAWKINS/LANCASTER mysteries. Regards Ken

Hi Margaret, I have Euphemia's father as William Cardinal Wade. Regards, Olive

From 'Behind the Name' a very useful site for this sort of question > EUPHEMIA > Gender: Feminine > Usage: Ancient Greek > Other Scripts: Ευφημια (Ancient Greek) > Pronounced: yoo-FEM-ee-ə (English) [key] > Means "to speak well", derived from Greek ευ "good" and φημι > (phemi) "to speak". Saint Euphemia was an early martyr who was burnt > at the stake. > Anne > On 23 Oct 2008, at 23:22, La Greenall wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Taylors > > Dear Essex List members > > Euphemia was ... > > Also being an unusual name does anyone know the origin of the name > Euphemia > please? > >

-----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Taylors Dear Essex List members Euphemia was ... Also being an unusual name does anyone know the origin of the name Euphemia please? Try Google. This site is good for every conceivable name ever (it lists 2,126 names beginning with E!) but only gives two-word meanings: http://www.mybirthcare.com/favorites/pg19/baby-names-e.asp ...while this one has lengthy entries on a smaller range of names: http://www.rampantscotland.com/forenames/blnames_de.htm Euphemia The name comes from a Greek word meaning "fair of speech" and appears in the New Testament. St Euphemia was a 4th century Christian martyr (the lions refused to devour her so she was burnt at the stake instead). The name became popular in Scotland from about the 12th century (more so in Scotland than in, say, Ireland or England). In the 13th century, Euphemia, Countess of Ross founded Fortrose Cathedral. The name became popular in the 19th century but has since fallen out of favour. There were a number of variations in spelling and it was often shortened to a pet name of Effie and Fay is also a short form of the name. Lawrence

This all sounds to me as if it was a local good-will or fundraising group, perhaps singing carols on doorsteps or organising annual Xmas dinners/fetes, or giving small Xmas pressies to poor local children? Perhaps the local newspaper would be the place to look for their story, as well as the Museum and local library. You might even try sending in a plea to the current local paper, for reminiscences from current locals. This is just the time of year to make such an approach! Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lori Brown Sent: 23 October 2008 19:41 To: dianadiluca@aol.com; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Santa Claus Christmas Workers' League Thank you very much for this lead! I do not really know what they did, assume it is charitable help of some sort. The group was referred to in my great grandmother's obituary several times and apparently she was "ever ready to assist with her musical ablilities". I am trying to learn as much as possible about her life and will follow through writing the church etc. From: Dianadiluca@aol.comDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:32:39 -0400Subject: Re: Santa Claus Christmas Workers' LeagueTo: essex-uk@rootsweb.comCC: walkingmom@hotmail.com Hi, Found this reference: The Santa Claus Band (later The Santa Claus Christmas Distribution Fund and The Santa Claus Holiday Fund) [1896-1926] on the website: http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/catalogues/new0503.asp (Under Redbridge Local Studies and Archives) - Looks like there are records deposited at the National Archives at Kew. You could also try the Redbridge Museum. It is based at Ilford Library - http://www.ilford.org.uk/news/102.html You could also try contacting the church: http://www.stjohns7kings.org.uk/ Hope this helps. By the way, what did this league do? Regards Diana _________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 18/10/2008 18:01 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 18/10/2008 18:01

Hello Margaret Sending you the image off list Best regards Heather RG9; Piece: 1102; Folio: 32; Page: 16 Euphemia Wade Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: East Donyland, Essex, England Civil Parish: East Donyland Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester County/Island: Essex Country: England Household Members: Name Age Adolphus Wade 1 Arthur Wade 3 Cardinale Wade 9 Cecilia Wade 7 Elizabeth Wade 32 Euphemia Wade 5 William Wade 32 Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com/ --- On Thu, 23/10/08, The Taylors <gemat@83bramcote.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: From: The Taylors <gemat@83bramcote.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [Ess] Euphemia Wade b 1856 East Donyland To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 6:26 AM Dear Essex List members Euphemia was married to William Cranfield but has anyone access to the 1861 Census (East Donyland?)/ Colchester/Essex) so that it might identify her parents? Also being an unusual name does anyone know the origin of the name Euphemia please? Many thanks Margaret

Dear Essex List members Euphemia was married to William Cranfield but has anyone access to the 1861 Census (East Donyland?)/ Colchester/Essex) so that it might identify her parents? Also being an unusual name does anyone know the origin of the name Euphemia please? Many thanks Margaret

Thank you very much for this lead! I do not really know what they did, assume it is charitable help of some sort. The group was referred to in my great grandmother's obituary several times and apparently she was "ever ready to assist with her musical ablilities". I am trying to learn as much as possible about her life and will follow through writing the church etc. From: Dianadiluca@aol.comDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:32:39 -0400Subject: Re: Santa Claus Christmas Workers' LeagueTo: essex-uk@rootsweb.comCC: walkingmom@hotmail.com Hi, Found this reference: The Santa Claus Band (later The Santa Claus Christmas Distribution Fund and The Santa Claus Holiday Fund) [1896-1926] on the website: http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/catalogues/new0503.asp (Under Redbridge Local Studies and Archives) - Looks like there are records deposited at the National Archives at Kew. You could also try the Redbridge Museum. It is based at Ilford Library - http://www.ilford.org.uk/news/102.html You could also try contacting the church: http://www.stjohns7kings.org.uk/ Hope this helps. By the way, what did this league do? Regards Diana _________________________________________________________________

Hi Listers, In light of the recent threads regarding documents of a sensitive nature, just thought you would be interested in the following excerpt from the National Archives website. Regards Diana The _Freedom of Information Act_ (http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000036.htm) was passed in November 2000 and came fully into effect from 1 January 2005. FOI gives people a right of access to information held by public bodies. The range of public bodies covered by FOI is very wide, ranging from central government departments to individual schools and parish councils. A full list of the bodies affected - FOI authorities - can be found in Schedule 1 of the Act. A separate Act covers public authorities in Scotland - the _Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002._ (http://www.scotland-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/acts2002/20020013.htm) The list includes The National Archives and the rights of access apply both to our own administrative records and to the archives (the records transferred to us from other government departments). FOI applies to information whatever its age, and whether it is at The National Archives or is still held by the originating government department. The 30 year standard closure period no longer determines access to records; instead, information is assumed to be ´open´ right from the start unless one of the exemptions set out in the Act applies. Exemptions are grounds to withhold information. They are clearly defined in the Act, are limited in number and are usually used where some harm might result if the information were to be released. The Ministry of Justice has produced a guide to _FOI exemptions._ (http://www.dca.gov.uk/foi/guidance/exsumm/index.htm) There are separate _Environmental Information Regulations_ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/foi/environmental.htm) giving similar rights of access to environmental information. Anyone, anywhere in the world, can send a written request for information (a letter, fax or email) to an FOI authority. The FOI authority must say whether it holds the information, and if it does, provide it. The rights of access are overridden only by the exemptions mentioned above. Those disappointed with the response to their enquiry can complain to the _Information Commissioner,_ (http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/) the independent regulator of the Act. There is a further right of appeal to an Information Tribunal.

From a quick look at http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/carpenter/ there are 3 items from Essex, though searching by town might produce more Cheers Steve Colleen wrote: > I've just read on BBC online that recordings of about 800 people singing sea shanties have been found in an attic. The recordings were made during the 1920s by a researcher who toured ports and asked retired mariners to sing into a contraption called an ediphone which recorded their voices on wax cylinders. The recording appear to have been locked away in the attic since they were made. > > The BBC held a family reunion of the decendants of one mariner who is recorded on one of these rolls without telling them about the recording. Their ancestor, Mark Page, from Sunderland, born in 1836, had run away to sea as a boy. You can imagine how emotional his decedents felt when the recording was played to them. > > The clip mentions the North East of England, I wonder if all of the recordings were from there or if the researcher ever travelled to Essex? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/7683488.stm > > Colleen > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, Found this reference: The Santa Claus Band (later The Santa Claus Christmas Distribution Fund and The Santa Claus Holiday Fund) [1896-1926] on the website: _http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/catalogues/new0503.asp_ (http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/catalogues/new0503.asp) (Under Redbridge Local Studies and Archives) - Looks like there are records deposited at the National Archives at Kew. You could also try the Redbridge Museum. It is based at Ilford Library - _http://www.ilford.org.uk/news/102.html_ (http://www.ilford.org.uk/news/102.html) You could also try contacting the church: _http://www.stjohns7kings.org.uk/_ (http://www.stjohns7kings.org.uk/) Hope this helps. By the way, what did this league do? Regards Diana

I applaud that too. Wendy is a little gem. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Morris" <Gr.Morris@btinternet.com> To: <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Writtle & their excellent archives! > Hi Listers, > > If anyone has Writtle ancestors then do visit or correspond with the Writtle Archives. They have parish registers, photographs, all the available census returns, information on people and parish magazines amongst much more. An appointment is advised but not necessary and I am sure (for a small donation - never asked for but surely appreciated?) they will be delighted to help you. Their 'Local History Trail', a leaflet, is really enjoyable. I guess it costs around 50pence plus postage but it really opens your eyes to the village homes and shops. It is a beautiful village and may be the biggest in Essex at over 700 acres, it even has the site of King John's Hunting Lodge. > Glynis. > No Writtle ancestors, sorry to say. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I just happen to have a copy of the 1901 census for Writtle at home. The > writing is quite difficult but the address for the KNIGHT family is cottage > no 5 and 7 Horsfrith Park. > Wendy > Writtle Archives > > > >From: ESSEX-UK-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > Message has been scanned by Webshield > > > Message has been scanned by Webshield

I've just read on BBC online that recordings of about 800 people singing sea shanties have been found in an attic. The recordings were made during the 1920s by a researcher who toured ports and asked retired mariners to sing into a contraption called an ediphone which recorded their voices on wax cylinders. The recording appear to have been locked away in the attic since they were made. The BBC held a family reunion of the decendants of one mariner who is recorded on one of these rolls without telling them about the recording. Their ancestor, Mark Page, from Sunderland, born in 1836, had run away to sea as a boy. You can imagine how emotional his decedents felt when the recording was played to them. The clip mentions the North East of England, I wonder if all of the recordings were from there or if the researcher ever travelled to Essex? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/7683488.stm Colleen

Thanks Phil, Michael, Toots, podnsod, Ray, Steve and David for your help with my query and the links you kindly provided. Excellent, that was just what I was looking for. You have better memories than I have! Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarn@ntlworld.com> To: "Colleen" <colleen.morrison@ntlworld.com>; <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Kenneth Horne show in Walthamstow Hello Colleen, Yes, many of them I think that "many, many, times" said in a suggestive voice was one of the phrases, too There was Rambling Sid Rumpo, signing "Green grow your nadgers, O" "Hello I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy" said in a camp voice. Kenneth William, of course. Betty Marsden, Bill Pertwee, Hugh Paddick, Douglas Smith (the announcer?) are names I remember from a misspent youth. Fiona & Charles was an oft repeated interlude, with "I know", "I know you know", often inserted , (as a filler?) J. Peasemould Gruntbuttock, was another character. There were also takeoffs of well known TV characters. Seamus Android (Eamonn Andrews), Fanny Haddock (Fanny Craddock, of course), Daphne Whitethigh (Katherine Whitehorne?) It got quite near the knuckle at times, but double entendres are in the mind, they say Phil At 15:05 22/10/2008, Colleen wrote: >I recall that Kenneth Horne's shows were a great >favourite but can't remember much about these. I >vaguely remember Horne becoming various odd ball >characters in Round The Horne and my uncle doing >impressions of these yet I can't remember the >names of any of these characters my uncle had a talent for mimicking. Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 22/10/2008 07:23

Hi Alan & Listers ! I'm only guessing but I would have thought that the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich would be the first place to try for details of this schooner - and they may even have a photograph ? Best Wishes ! Roger. --------------------- On 22 Oct 2008, at 15:48, AFPeggs@aol.com wrote: > Albert Death, born 1872 in Brightlingsea was the brother in law of my > GGrandfather Thomas Whisson Peggs . In May 1911 Thomas signed on as > a seaman > on the Schooner Oceana, the master of which was Albert. I have a > copy of the Crew > List which states that the voyage, which began and ended in > Brightlingsea, > lasted until October 1911. > > The Oceana was owned by Gilbert Augustus Tonge a wealthy business > man with a > large estate in Cowlinge Suffolk. > > The purpose of the voyage was given as "cruising for pleasure to > any British > or Foreign ports the owner or master may deem proper". > > My researches seem to indicate that the Oceana may have been used > for racing. > > Can any one provide me with further details of the Oceana, its > voyages and > design. A Picture would be "the holy grail" > > Thanks > > Alan Peggs

I am seeking any information on this organization. I know it existed in 1914 in the Seven Kings/Ilford area, possibly connected to St. John's Church. Has anyone ever encountered this group or perhaps able to point me in a direction to locate any information related to it? Many thanks! _________________________________________________________________