Hi Jan, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > Hello, > Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death certificate > states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of death as > Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness. > > Jan Death certificates only gave the immediate cause of death. Mental illness is unlikely, AFAIK, to cause death unless, sadly, self-inflicted. Regards John

G'day Jan ! I have no detailed medical knowledge whatsoever ! - but if you put "Mitral Disease" into Google you will get over 9,000 hits ! - I only looked at the 10 on the first page, but I think you will find it is a heart disease connected with the mitral valve ! I don't think there is any mental illness implied here at all; I think the word 'Asylum' is being used in an old sense of a hospital or place to rest and recover ?? Perhaps any Listers with medical knowledge may care to comment on my "diagnosis" ? Best Wishes ! Roger. --------------------- On 28 Oct 2008, at 20:57, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Hello, > Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death > certificate > states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of > death as > Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Hina" <robhina@btinternet.com> > To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [MDX] Asylum > > >> In 1953 the hospital was re-named Warley Hospital but the major >> part of it >> was closed down and sold >> to property developers around 2000. >> The site below gives one view on the development, but googling >> 'Warley' >> will give quite a few others. >> boredtown.co.uk/warley.html >> >> My father was treated there from the mid-forties to mid-fifties >> and we >> used to go back to see some of his >> mates, mainly those who had not recovered psychologically from their >> war-time service/experiences. >> I believe that we used to go to E-block on these occasions. It was >> very >> disconcerting to find that E-block >> had been replaced by an almost disney-esque housing development. I >> think >> about a quarter of the old site >> has housing built on it but it still had some of the broad vistas >> down the >> hill that I remember from my >> childhood. There is still a series of operating NHS units at the >> top of >> the site, but the old Victorian Gothic >> core is being converted into flats and offices as far as I >> understand. >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Margaret Grundy <margaret.g39@btinternet.com> >> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 5:57:34 PM >> Subject: [MDX] Asylum >> >> The Essex County Asylum is not the same as Severalls Colchester. >> >> The Essex County Insane Asylum was in Brentwood Essex and opened >> in 1853 >> with 450 patients.It changed to the Brentwood Mental Hospital in >> 1920.It >> is >> now a park as far as I can tell. >> There is more on the web if you look for either hospitals. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Records on IGI about the Collison family of East Donyland, Essex were posted by Garry Leslie LEE 5 Flavel St Whyalla Norrie South Australia 5608. If you are out there Gary please respond to this Essex listing as Collisons are my ancestors Graham

I know for sure that a person I have been researching was certified to an Asylum in Surrey. She was changed to a 'voluntary' category and was in and out of the hospital (mostly in) for years. She died in the Asylum. On her death certificate the cause of death was kidney failure or something like it. I shouldn't think that 'insanity' or 'mentally ill' is normally recorded as a cause of death. My father had severe dementia but the cause of death was kidney failure. Diana G'day Jan ! I have no detailed medical knowledge whatsoever ! - but if you put "Mitral Disease" into Google you will get over 9,000 hits ! - I only looked at the 10 on the first page, but I think you will find it is a heart disease connected with the mitral valve ! I don't think there is any mental illness implied here at all; I think the word 'Asylum' is being used in an old sense of a hospital or place to rest and recover ?? Perhaps any Listers with medical knowledge may care to comment on my "diagnosis" ? Best Wishes ! Roger.

Sorry ! can those of you who are interested in Leigh-on-Sea bear wif me as I've gone down wif the flue....... eddy in bavaria or the English patient. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer" <jaebee@shaw.ca> To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos > Hello List, > > I read David Vesey's request for Leigh on Sea photos and would like > to add my request to the list also. I am related to Michael Tomlin > and would love pictures of anything to do with Leigh. > > Thanks so much, > > Jennifer > Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Robert, All I've managed to find on BMD is a record of the birth registration of Edward Brice WEBB in the Dec Q of 1902. Registered at Edmonton. If the family had been living in Walthamstow at the time I would have expected the registration district to be West Ham. I haven't been able to find a marriage on Ancestry partial BMD although there could be one on the Full BMD, which might give you some idea whether Edward was still in the Walthamstow area in the 1920/30s. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Webb" <rob@webb7.eclipse.co.uk> To: "Essex post" <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: [Ess] Webb family Walthamstow > Hi > I am looking for anyone with connections with Edward Brice(?) WEBB who was > born in Walthamstow, I believe, in 1902. He was the son of Edward > Lawrence WEBB and his mother Maud Isobel (Moody). At present there seems > to be no trace of the family after the 1901 census - so also hoping for > the 1911 census with help. > Regards > Robert > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 403 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am following your suggestions with great interest. Yes, it does look like "Liews Eppinge in the Countie of Herford". No matter about the county as the clerk probably thought that Epping was in Herts or it was merely a slip of the pen. Problem is that the writers exuberant flourishes and capitals flow across adjacent words making them hard to read. Thank you all.

White Roothing is now White Roding. Jane in Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk>; <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Colchester Asylum > Hello Anne, > Fancy meeting you here. Helpful as always. I have Emily's record for the > 1901 although she seemed to be calling herself "Elizabett" then. She was > staying in Islington with her Uncle Henry. An old family letter from 1907 > tells that Uncle Henry and Emily holidayed at Dover and returned home in > better health. I have not found her in the 1891, 1881 or 1871 census > records > although she is there in the two earlier ones: in Liverpool with her > family > in 1851 and at Sambourne Girl's Boarding School in Warminster, Wiltshire > in > 1861. Her Aunts were Headmistress and Housekeeper at the school. There is > a > chance she went to Chile to be with her widowed Auntie Eleanor Lawrence > and > children after the death of Eleanor's husband in 1863 but I have nothing > to > verify this really. > I am really seeking the missing census records as well as asylum records > if they are available. I can't find White Roothing on my map so also > wonder > where in Essex it is and if anyone has heard of a place called Ivydene > there? > > Thanks so much again for any assistance, > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> > To: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > Cc: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Colchester Asylum > > >> Jan, >> Do you have census records for her up to 1901? >> >> Or is it the patient records from the Asylum that you are searching for? >> >> Anne >> On 27 Oct 2008, at 03:15, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: >> >>> G'day, >>> This is my first message to this list. >>> A relative died in 1914 in Essex Colchester Asylum at age 67. She had >>> previously been a Governess at Ivydene, White Roothing, Essex. The >>> cause >>> of death was given as Mitral Disease which was said to be present >>> before >>> admission. She was Emily Charlotte HASKEW, a Spinster, who was born in >>> 1847 in Liverpool, Lancs. As she was a sister to my great grandfather I >>> would be very grateful for any guidance in researching her history. >>> Thanks so much, >>> Jan >>> in sunny Queensland >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1595 a gent of Heydon, Essex, sold to a gent in Hertford[shire], possibly not too far distant. I can't read the place name too well but it looks like Liewseppinge. I'm confident about the latter half but not the first. Any ideas?

Hi I am looking for anyone with connections with Edward Brice(?) WEBB who was born in Walthamstow, I believe, in 1902. He was the son of Edward Lawrence WEBB and his mother Maud Isobel (Moody). At present there seems to be no trace of the family after the 1901 census - so also hoping for the 1911 census with help. Regards Robert -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 403 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello Anne, Fancy meeting you here. Helpful as always. I have Emily's record for the 1901 although she seemed to be calling herself "Elizabett" then. She was staying in Islington with her Uncle Henry. An old family letter from 1907 tells that Uncle Henry and Emily holidayed at Dover and returned home in better health. I have not found her in the 1891, 1881 or 1871 census records although she is there in the two earlier ones: in Liverpool with her family in 1851 and at Sambourne Girl's Boarding School in Warminster, Wiltshire in 1861. Her Aunts were Headmistress and Housekeeper at the school. There is a chance she went to Chile to be with her widowed Auntie Eleanor Lawrence and children after the death of Eleanor's husband in 1863 but I have nothing to verify this really. I am really seeking the missing census records as well as asylum records if they are available. I can't find White Roothing on my map so also wonder where in Essex it is and if anyone has heard of a place called Ivydene there? Thanks so much again for any assistance, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> Cc: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Colchester Asylum > Jan, > Do you have census records for her up to 1901? > > Or is it the patient records from the Asylum that you are searching for? > > Anne > On 27 Oct 2008, at 03:15, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > >> G'day, >> This is my first message to this list. >> A relative died in 1914 in Essex Colchester Asylum at age 67. She had >> previously been a Governess at Ivydene, White Roothing, Essex. The cause >> of death was given as Mitral Disease which was said to be present before >> admission. She was Emily Charlotte HASKEW, a Spinster, who was born in >> 1847 in Liverpool, Lancs. As she was a sister to my great grandfather I >> would be very grateful for any guidance in researching her history. >> Thanks so much, >> Jan >> in sunny Queensland >

Good morning all, I have just found out that a not too close relly but close enough was Polish. I am having difficulty in finding out about her origins because Poland doesn't have a central records repository. However I do know that Marie Pizlock married a Silas Page in 1923 after arriving in England as a 17yr. old circa 1915. As a devout Catholic I am a bit surprised that she was buried in the Sewardstone Rd. cemetery in 1969 which I always believed to be C.of E. / Protestant. So my questions are, is the Cemetery in Sewardstone Rd. multi denominational and where was the catholic church in the '60's? I believe it was the church at the bottom of Monkswood Ave. My brain is a bit like Lawrence's at the mo. its too cold and damp to function properly. Time to hibernate me thinks. Regards, Mick.

Sapsford is a locative surname; it is also the local spelling of the town name of Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire. Other versions are Sapsworth and Sawbo. Lawrence. -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Stephenson Sent: 27 October 2008 23:50 To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] POSTING SURNAME Hello everyone, not my first time on this list but, it has been a long time. I am researching my wifes family name of SAPSFORD from Gt. Hallingbury, Essex. i have my wifes g.g.grandparents as Jesse SAPSFORD bc: 1811 and Elizabeth Ann PRIOR bc: 1811 at Gt. Hallingbury. I have searched the Gt. Hallingbury and Lt. Hallingbury Bishop Transcripts and did not find Jesse nor his parents. I have information( just received) on Elias SAPSFORD to be the father of Jesse but, this is not confirmed by any parish record. I did transcribe the BT's from Gt/Lt. Hallingbury for the name Sapsford and have them on file. Hopefully this puzzle will be put together over some time? If anyone has any information or is researching the name SAPSFORD i would be most pleased to hear from them. Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53

Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Zzzzzzzzzzzz. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! Ooh - who woke me up! Ah, hello Colleen, good to hear from you again. Right, just had a coffee and got my brain cell into gear (note the singular tense - if I had another one to rub it against then maybe I could make a spark). Sorry, but all these Epping places have been in Essex for as long as the county has existed. They all originally came under the one parish of Epping, with its historic settlement and medieval parish church at what is now called Epping Upland. What we now think of as Epping is an 18th century ribbon development along the old but locally major coaching road from Bishops Stortford to London, which road once crossed a relatively empty part of the parish of Epping - until the developers moved in. It was first called Epping Street or Epping Town, and now just Epping. Note that its parish church is late 19th century - yes, a replacement, but the first one was only early 19th century. This also shows what happens when a market town puts its market on the edge of its parish rather than in the centre of its settlement. Passing trade thus avoids the centre of the parish so much that it eventually becomes an isolated hinterland. Epping Upland was named thus because it became the upland part of the parish, the agricultural backwater if you like; the place where local market produce was - er, produced. It's an unfortunate name though, as Epping itself means 'upping'! In a county of modest hills and bumps, the great ridge that Epping sits on (along with Epping Forest) is quite a feature in the local topography, and any small settlement on it would have been considered to be 'up the hill' by anyone from the parishes in the richer farmland that surrounds the ridge, such as Waltham Abbey (which has a hamlet called Upshire on the side of the ridge, just below Epping), Loughton (which the London coaching road continued through until the mid 19th century, thus meaning that to travel from London to 'Upping' would involve climbing the extremely steep hill that still leads from Loughton to the Wake Arms roundabout*), Theydon Bois (with a similarly steep hill leading towards Epping, whether you go via the Wake Arms or via Ivy Chimneys), and so on. (Only the road from the north has no steep uphill gradient.) * The present main road (the old A11) leading through the middle of Epping Forest didn't exist from the Wake Arms to the Robin Hood until the mid 19th century. Epping must have been settled by unsociable hermits, and when its eastern edge got developed and full of hustle and bustle, all the hermits moved west, even further upland from the parish's main road, thus making a new 'Upping' away from the old (new) one. Or something like that. The element 'ing' means 'place belonging to the people from' (e.g. Hertingfordbury (see below) was 'the place of the people from Hertford', meaning that it had been settled by people from that town), so Upping would mean 'the place of the people from Up' - or possibly 'from the upper shire', i.e. modern Upshire, which very much shares its farmland identity with modern Epping Upland and modern Epping Green (which, as you can no doubt now see, was another part of the original centre of the pre-18th century parish), all these three places surrounding the fertile head of the Cobbing valley. Therefore those miserable hermits that first settled Epping probably came from Waltham Abbey via Upshire. Oh dear! ___________________ It is very unlikely for the various Eppings to have been mistakenly put into Herts, except possibly in more modern times. Back in parochial-manorial days, a deed recording the sale of property would certainly correctly identify the 'umbrella' area that the property was in; it might use odd spelling but would go to great pains to specify the parish or manor, and then the county, with great precision. Such information would have been of the utmost importance in a time before Land Registry codes and National Grids. I've got your number! So far, the enquirer hasn't given us any further info, so either they were mistaken about it being a Herts placename and the 'epping' element places it in Essex (Lindsey Street in Epping is a very ancient lane and has had that name, variously spelt, for centuries - so could "Liewseppinge" mean something like 'Lindsey [Street] (or a place called Lindsey on that lane) [in] Epping'? Or could it mean something like 'Lower Epping' at as time when the parish of Epping hadn't yet split its separate ways - or was possibly just beginning to, which might mean that this could be a new reference to the distinction by name between different parts of the parish at an early date? Perhaps the fact that Lindsey Street leads towards Epping Upland and Epping Green is of some significance here - it must have once been of equal status to the main coaching road, in the days before Epping Town took off. Or the enquirer was accurate about it being in Herts, which means that we've all made a boo-boo over the Epping element. I will try to follow this thread. Firstly, as to where in Herts it might be. I'm a bit wary of Liewseppinge being "possibly not too far distant" from Hunsdon, as recent work I did on the residences of landlords holding property in 18th century Waltham Abbey showed that only a quarter of them lived within 20 miles or so of the parish, about half had London addresses, and one or two even lived as far away as Scotland and Ireland. You didn't need to be local to invest in property. Next, looking for something like 'eppinge' in Herts. I looked high and low, even looking at all Herts names that contained just the 'ing ' element, but I can't get 'eppinge' out of any of them, even allowing for mistranscription. Perhaps the only one that might half-fit, and then with a great struggle, would be Hertingfordbury, which Skeat says has in the past been called Hertfordingbury, so could possibly have been just 'Hertfording' in some texts (my guess). But I think not. I tried pasting Liewseppinge into Word using a range of old medieval-style fonts, to see what it might have looked like in the original document, and the best I could come up with was '[Lt?]Wapping'. But that's not in Herts! Then I tried the 'ie' fragment but all I got was 'field'. In response to another lister's response, 'Eppinge' is also a surname, but that didn't help either. I think it most likely that some small corner of Epping in Essex was being referred to, unless the info we have been given is partially incorrect. We really need the enquirer to take a photo of the word he's tried to transcribe, along with the rest of the sentence it's in and even maybe the whole paragraph, and then upload it to a server in the sky so that we can all have a look. Fingers crossed! Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Sent: 28 October 2008 01:01 To: Heather; essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Place name in Herts. Good work, Heather. Epping Green and Epping Upland are in Essex now and I'd imagined that they always were. Does this mean that they were in Herts at one time? Or are they listed under Herts because they're near the county? 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Good work, Heather. Epping Green and Epping Upland are in Essex now and I'd imagined that they always were. Does this mean that they were in Herts at one time? Or are they listed under Herts because they're near the county? Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> > Hello there > If you select Hertfordshire in the Gazetter on Old Maps uk site > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/GAZPAGES/GazCounty.aspx you will find a couple > of places in the county with Epping in the name. > Best regards > Heather > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 23/10/2008 07:54

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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hoye" <davidhoye@xtra.co.nz> > > > In 1595 a gent of Heydon, Essex, sold to a gent in Hertford[shire], > possibly not too far distant. > I can't read the place name too well but it looks like Liewseppinge. >I'm confident about the latter half but not the first. Any ideas? > Wasn't there an estate called something like Lyes in Epping? Also, could this be a misreading of Gyles, which was an old Manor in Epping and has been spelled in various ways - though not, as far as I'm aware Liews. Lawrence will know. Where are you, Lawrence? :) Colleen > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 23/10/2008 07:54

Hello David, To add to what Colleen has said, I Googled for the "Liews" and it looks like a family surname. Now, using a smiodgin of lateral thinking, it is well known that houses, estates are named after/for the surname of an owner. So, are we/you looking for a family seat or suchlike for a family called LIEWS and in the Epping, Essex area? FWIW, LIEWS is an anagram of LEWIS. Also, the surname VAN LIEWS seems to be part of current America. VAN would suggest a Dutch surname as VON would a German name. Was not New York originally New Amsterdam? I am very tempted to say this is not a Boering subject, well I did! Would not have Epping Forest have been mighty biggerv than it now is? Phil At 23:33 27/10/2008, Colleen wrote: >I think it relates either to a place in Epping - which is in Essex - and the >Liews could have been a house or estate there, or, >it's something in lieu of something to do with Epping. > >Colleen Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm>

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hoye" <davidhoye@xtra.co.nz> > In 1595 a gent of Heydon, Essex, sold to a gent in Hertford[shire], > possibly not too far distant. > I can't read the place name too well but it looks like Liewseppinge. > I'm confident about the latter half but not the first. Any ideas? > I think it relates either to a place in Epping - which is in Essex - and the Liews could have been a house or estate there, or, it's something in lieu of something to do with Epping. Colleen

Where did you see this? Is there a website reference or can you email a photo of the document?   Ray   --- On Mon, 27/10/08, David Hoye <davidhoye@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: David Hoye <davidhoye@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [Ess] Place name in Herts. To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 27 October, 2008, 9:42 PM In 1595 a gent of Heydon, Essex, sold to a gent in Hertford[shire], possibly not too far distant. I can't read the place name too well but it looks like Liewseppinge. I'm confident about the latter half but not the first. Any ideas? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message