Hi Jane Greenstead Green is a part of Halstead parish, although now it has its own "modern" church, St James the Great, built in 1845. Greensted (usually spelt now without the A to distinguish it, but not always in the past) near Ongar is a distant village and not in the area of your interest. Beware - part of Greenste(a)d near Ongar is also called Greenste(a)d Green. There is a third Greenstead next to Colchester, nearer to your area but probably not involved. Halstead is only "within Braintree" in modern local government terms. A very separate town really. Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane" <jane0312l@talktalk.net> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: [Ess] Hi - newbie again > Hi everyone, > > I'm a newbie again - have been on the Essex list a long time ago, but > unsubscribed while concentrating on other areas. Back in Essex (although > only in mind and on pc!) to track down my lost lot. As usual (for my > family) this lot are quite elusive, so I was wondering if any locals and > people who know the area well could help me geographically as I haven't > actually spent a lot of time in Essex. > > My family are the MAY's from Halstead. Abraham married Susannah Wheatly > (surname variants) from Borley in 1815. > > Both born c.1798-1800. The MAY's lived in Greenstead Green. > > Children: William, George, Mary Ann, Henry, Charlotte, Ephraim & David > > *****Henry (b.c.1833) and later children were baptised at High Street > Congregational Chapel, Halstead. As the church was new, I was wondering > where the eldest children, living in Greenstead Green would have been > baptised (and where Abraham & Susannah married - which wasn't her parish - > Borley). > > *****Is Greenstead Green also known as 'Greenstead near Ongar' > > *****I've read that Greenstead Green is a hamlet just outside Halstead. > And that Halstead is within Braintree? I thought it was closer to Earls > Colne - as the family say on some census "where born - Greenstead Green" / > "Halstead" / "Earls Colne > > Thank you to anyone who can correct me on the geography of your county. I > thought I was in luck tracing my clan from the smallest hamlets, but no > luck yet! > > Thanks again > > Jane > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Braintree district is a big place, but a list of the larger villages can be found at http://www.braintree.gov.uk/Braintree/councildemocracy/Councillors/default.htm together with a map of sorts. Greensted Green is certainly within the Braintree District Council area. HTH Steve Jane wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm a newbie again - have been on the Essex list a long time ago, but unsubscribed while concentrating on other areas. Back in Essex (although only in mind and on pc!) to track down my lost lot. As usual (for my family) this lot are quite elusive, so I was wondering if any locals and people who know the area well could help me geographically as I haven't actually spent a lot of time in Essex. > > My family are the MAY's from Halstead. Abraham married Susannah Wheatly (surname variants) from Borley in 1815. > > Both born c.1798-1800. The MAY's lived in Greenstead Green. > > Children: William, George, Mary Ann, Henry, Charlotte, Ephraim & David > > *****Henry (b.c.1833) and later children were baptised at High Street Congregational Chapel, Halstead. As the church was new, I was wondering where the eldest children, living in Greenstead Green would have been baptised (and where Abraham & Susannah married - which wasn't her parish - Borley). > > *****Is Greenstead Green also known as 'Greenstead near Ongar' > > *****I've read that Greenstead Green is a hamlet just outside Halstead. And that Halstead is within Braintree? I thought it was closer to Earls Colne - as the family say on some census "where born - Greenstead Green" / "Halstead" / "Earls Colne > > Thank you to anyone who can correct me on the geography of your county. I thought I was in luck tracing my clan from the smallest hamlets, but no luck yet! > > Thanks again > > Jane > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, My g-grandma (85 yrs) was buried in Plumstead cemetary in Oct. 1920. Her husband died (1913) and was buried in their life-long hometown in Oxfordshire. On the gravestone (in Oxfordshire) it says his wife is buried in Plumstead cemetary. I have no idea why she would be buried there as I can't find any relatives in the immediate area. *Would there be a hospital/old folks home etc. that would bring her to this area?* It is a mystery as they would have had enough money to have transported her back to her hometown for burial. *Were things tough in England in 1920 for her not to have been buried at home?* Any ideas gratefully received. Thank you Maureen

Hi everyone, I'm a newbie again - have been on the Essex list a long time ago, but unsubscribed while concentrating on other areas. Back in Essex (although only in mind and on pc!) to track down my lost lot. As usual (for my family) this lot are quite elusive, so I was wondering if any locals and people who know the area well could help me geographically as I haven't actually spent a lot of time in Essex. My family are the MAY's from Halstead. Abraham married Susannah Wheatly (surname variants) from Borley in 1815. Both born c.1798-1800. The MAY's lived in Greenstead Green. Children: William, George, Mary Ann, Henry, Charlotte, Ephraim & David *****Henry (b.c.1833) and later children were baptised at High Street Congregational Chapel, Halstead. As the church was new, I was wondering where the eldest children, living in Greenstead Green would have been baptised (and where Abraham & Susannah married - which wasn't her parish - Borley). *****Is Greenstead Green also known as 'Greenstead near Ongar' *****I've read that Greenstead Green is a hamlet just outside Halstead. And that Halstead is within Braintree? I thought it was closer to Earls Colne - as the family say on some census "where born - Greenstead Green" / "Halstead" / "Earls Colne Thank you to anyone who can correct me on the geography of your county. I thought I was in luck tracing my clan from the smallest hamlets, but no luck yet! Thanks again Jane

Any ideas about who I can contact to try and find her hospital record? Thanks again, everyone, for your help Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: "Roger Partridge" <r.partridge@ukonline.co.uk> Cc: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com>; <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com>; <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] [MDX] Asylum > The implications are that the asylum in Colchester was a mental hospital. > > Anne > On 28 Oct 2008, at 23:05, Roger Partridge wrote: > >> G'day Jan ! >> >> I have no detailed medical knowledge whatsoever ! - but if you put >> "Mitral >> Disease" into Google you will get over 9,000 hits ! - I only looked >> at the 10 >> on the first page, but I think you will find it is a heart disease >> connected with >> the mitral valve ! I don't think there is any mental illness >> implied here at all; >> I think the word 'Asylum' is being used in an old sense of a hospital >> or place >> to rest and recover ?? Perhaps any Listers with medical knowledge may >> care >> to comment on my "diagnosis" ? >> >> Best Wishes ! Roger. >> --------------------- >> On 28 Oct 2008, at 20:57, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death >>> certificate >>> states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of >>> death as >>> Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness. >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robert Hina" <robhina@btinternet.com> >>> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MDX] Asylum >>> >>> >>>> In 1953 the hospital was re-named Warley Hospital but the major >>>> part of it >>>> was closed down and sold >>>> to property developers around 2000. >>>> The site below gives one view on the development, but googling >>>> 'Warley' >>>> will give quite a few others. >>>> boredtown.co.uk/warley.html >>>> >>>> My father was treated there from the mid-forties to mid-fifties >>>> and we >>>> used to go back to see some of his >>>> mates, mainly those who had not recovered psychologically from their >>>> war-time service/experiences. >>>> I believe that we used to go to E-block on these occasions. It was >>>> very >>>> disconcerting to find that E-block >>>> had been replaced by an almost disney-esque housing development. I >>>> think >>>> about a quarter of the old site >>>> has housing built on it but it still had some of the broad vistas >>>> down the >>>> hill that I remember from my >>>> childhood. There is still a series of operating NHS units at the >>>> top of >>>> the site, but the old Victorian Gothic >>>> core is being converted into flats and offices as far as I >>>> understand. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Margaret Grundy <margaret.g39@btinternet.com> >>>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 5:57:34 PM >>>> Subject: [MDX] Asylum >>>> >>>> The Essex County Asylum is not the same as Severalls Colchester. >>>> >>>> The Essex County Insane Asylum was in Brentwood Essex and opened >>>> in 1853 >>>> with 450 patients.It changed to the Brentwood Mental Hospital in >>>> 1920.It >>>> is >>>> now a park as far as I can tell. >>>> There is more on the web if you look for either hospitals. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- >>> admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dearest Eddie! So sorry to hear about the "Flying Flew" that has you in it's grippes. I hope you are on the road to recovery. The pictures of Leigh are beautiful, and will be very much appreciated by my grandmother, Michael Tomlin's great-granddaughter. Alas she will never make it to Leigh on Sea as she is in poor health at 83 years old. She remembers stories of the famous Michael Tomlin told to her at her Daddy's knee. I hope to get there at some point in my life, and I look forward to a firsthand view. Best regards and wishes for a speedy convalescence Jennifer

"Essex Colchester Asylum" may well refer to the Royal Eastern Counties Hospital, Essex Hall, Colchester (1859-1985), a hospital for mental defectives, formerly located to the south of Colchester North railway station. Googling its name. reveals several documents referring to its progressive policies towards mental health, later adopted by Essex Council Council, which encouraged suitable inmates to go out into the local community However, the moving story of Valerie Argent reveals the questionable standards that were sometimes applied to their mental abilities. _www.studymore.org.uk/arcava.htm_. I was staying in August near the site of its "annex" , Turner Village, Turner Road (1935-1995) and recall that some of its residents used to attend services in Myland/ Mile End's Anglican and Methodist churches. Check the ERO for the hospital archives deposited there. The Infectious Diseases Hospital (later Myland) (1884-1989) and Severalls Hospital (1913-1997), :opened with 1,800 beds as the Essex County Mental Hospital, were also in Myland, as is still Colchester General Hospital, Turner Road (1985- ). My study of the St Michael's Myland parish magazines from the late nineteenth century onwards revealed the symbiotic relationship between the siting of so many hospitals in its healthy environment and its growth from a tiny village surrounded by farmland to an almost continuously growing suburb of Colchester. I am indebted for these dates to a recent history of hospitals in Colchester published in the (Colchester & North Essex) Gazette www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/2345820.m5ec/?from=ec&to=2345820_&l=__pioneering_history_of_our...nhs_.. Thank you all for your interesting responses to my post on the first issue of The Official 1911 Census Newsletter within the "All comes to he who waits" thread. My old identity card and an empty ration book were among the treasury of photographs, correspondence and other family documents dating from c.1905 to 1955 that I retrieved from storage in Colchester. I personally have too much material at my disposal already to be waiting anxiously for that door to open. I have also been mining some rich veins within various Passenger Lists and have just stumbled on a listing of three relatives who travelled from the Azores to our "Dutch bungalow" in Eastwood before I was born (the address appears in full) Re. "Place name in Herts.", Lawrence: squinting over my copy of the 1842 edition of Moule's map of Hertfordshire revealed a village south of Little Berkhampstead (sic) called Epping Green, containing Epping House, and a google located it as just "10.6m" from Epping. _www.ukvillages.co.uk/village/epping%20green-hertfordshire_ Peter Moll Tortola, BVI Neil & Jan Hearn wrote 28/10/2008: Hello, Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death certificate states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of death as Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness .Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hina" <robhina@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Asylum > In 1953 the hospital was re-named Warley Hospital but the major part > of it was closed down and sold > to property developers around 2000. > The site below gives one view on the development, but googling > 'Warley' will give quite a few others. > boredtown.co.uk/warley.html

Thank you for that Lawrence, brought a smile to my face..... should of course have read "Flew" Eddy, down but not out....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "La Greenall" <elde.worth@ntlworld.com> To: "'Edw.j.Tate'" <weiss.tate@t-online.de> Cc: "'rootsweb essex'" <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos/ 1 > Don't light a fire - or you might go up with the cinders! > > Get well soon. > > lawrence > > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edw.j.Tate > Sent: 28 October 2008 17:14 > To: Jennifer > Cc: rootsweb essex > Subject: Re: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos/ 1 > > > Sorry ! can those of you who are interested in Leigh-on-Sea bear wif me > as > I've gone down wif the flue....... > eddy in bavaria or the English patient. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer" <jaebee@shaw.ca> > To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos > > >> Hello List, >> >> I read David Vesey's request for Leigh on Sea photos and would like >> to add my request to the list also. I am related to Michael Tomlin >> and would love pictures of anything to do with Leigh. >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Jennifer >> Canada >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: > 26/10/2008 19:53 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: > 26/10/2008 19:53 > > >

Hi again Barbara. Just to clarify my reply - I have been seeking Edward, who would have been my Uncle, as he is I think the only part of the original family, which may be the only lead I have to see if there are any more relations still around. The information which I gave you was based upon a search at Ancestry which through up Edward Brice Webb as being born in the last Quarter of 1902 in walthamstow..This seemed logical was were his parents since both his parents and grandparents also lived in Walthamstow - who were Edward and Maud / Henry and Elizabeth. However a birth registration was given as West ham 4a p 280. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 403 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Jan, Try looking in the Hospital database put together by the National Archives and the Wellcome Foundation http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/default.asp Anne On 29 Oct 2008, at 09:02, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > Any ideas about who I can contact to try and find her hospital record? > > Thanks again, everyone, for your help > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk > > > To: "Roger Partridge" <r.partridge@ukonline.co.uk> > Cc: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com>; <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com > >; > <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] [MDX] Asylum > > >> The implications are that the asylum in Colchester was a mental >> hospital. >> >> Anne >> On 28 Oct 2008, at 23:05, Roger Partridge wrote: >> >>>

Mick, This page says that the local Catholic church was "founded in 1951". Even though it gives the appearance of meaning the church on Monkswood Ave, I would take this to refer to the local congregation instead, which might put a date on the building of the hut I mentioned. http://www.dioceseofbrentwood.net/parishes/AZParishInfo.aspx?OrgID=116 Cheers, Lawrence No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53

I don't think the ERO has any records. I think you have to write to North East Essex Hospital Trust [or similar?] I expect a search engine will supply an address. Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" > Any ideas about who I can contact to try and find her hospital record? > > Thanks again, everyone, for your help > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > >> The implications are that the asylum in Colchester was a mental >> hospital.

Margaret, Yes, I think details on death certificates shouldn't be taken too seriously. Especially in the case of 'insanity'. My father always said there was insanity in the family and wouldn't speak about the past events (the biggie only came to light when I started researching the family tree - whether he knew or not I will never know now) and I must admit my daughter worries about inheriting the 'family trait'. I too spent my youth worrying about this. But not any more. Life's too short to worry about what what happen to you healthwise and what you might die of. And let's face it, people live longer and so more chance of getting dementia; doctors sometimes get it wrong and put the wrong cause of death on the certificate; and in the case of asylums, people were often put in there simply because they had a baby out of wedlock or had post natal depression or other minor illnesses which could be treated or cured these days. As a doctor once told my friend how long he thought her mother would last (when she got old and infirm) he said: "as long as her heart beats". Which is true. It is more healthy for people to look up death certificates or hospital records of ancestors out of interest sake and not take things too literally. Regards Diana Regarding: Diana Just to look at a lighter side as 3 generations of our family had mental problems on their death certificate my 2 brothers are being watched very carefully by their wives. None of the men mentioned had anything more than their families thought was old age. I sympathise with your details ref your father because the Edward I mentioned was my father. regards Margaret

The implications are that the asylum in Colchester was a mental hospital. Anne On 28 Oct 2008, at 23:05, Roger Partridge wrote: > G'day Jan ! > > I have no detailed medical knowledge whatsoever ! - but if you put > "Mitral > Disease" into Google you will get over 9,000 hits ! - I only looked > at the 10 > on the first page, but I think you will find it is a heart disease > connected with > the mitral valve ! I don't think there is any mental illness > implied here at all; > I think the word 'Asylum' is being used in an old sense of a hospital > or place > to rest and recover ?? Perhaps any Listers with medical knowledge may > care > to comment on my "diagnosis" ? > > Best Wishes ! Roger. > --------------------- > On 28 Oct 2008, at 20:57, Neil & Jan Hearn wrote: > >> Hello, >> Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death >> certificate >> states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of >> death as >> Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness. >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Hina" <robhina@btinternet.com> >> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDX] Asylum >> >> >>> In 1953 the hospital was re-named Warley Hospital but the major >>> part of it >>> was closed down and sold >>> to property developers around 2000. >>> The site below gives one view on the development, but googling >>> 'Warley' >>> will give quite a few others. >>> boredtown.co.uk/warley.html >>> >>> My father was treated there from the mid-forties to mid-fifties >>> and we >>> used to go back to see some of his >>> mates, mainly those who had not recovered psychologically from their >>> war-time service/experiences. >>> I believe that we used to go to E-block on these occasions. It was >>> very >>> disconcerting to find that E-block >>> had been replaced by an almost disney-esque housing development. I >>> think >>> about a quarter of the old site >>> has housing built on it but it still had some of the broad vistas >>> down the >>> hill that I remember from my >>> childhood. There is still a series of operating NHS units at the >>> top of >>> the site, but the old Victorian Gothic >>> core is being converted into flats and offices as far as I >>> understand. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Margaret Grundy <margaret.g39@btinternet.com> >>> To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 5:57:34 PM >>> Subject: [MDX] Asylum >>> >>> The Essex County Asylum is not the same as Severalls Colchester. >>> >>> The Essex County Insane Asylum was in Brentwood Essex and opened >>> in 1853 >>> with 450 patients.It changed to the Brentwood Mental Hospital in >>> 1920.It >>> is >>> now a park as far as I can tell. >>> There is more on the web if you look for either hospitals. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- >> admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello, Thanks for all the helpful replies. The 1914 death certificate states she died at "Essex Colchester Asylum" but gives her cause of death as Mitral Disease with no reference to any mental illness. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hina" <robhina@btinternet.com> To: <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [MDX] Asylum > In 1953 the hospital was re-named Warley Hospital but the major part of it > was closed down and sold > to property developers around 2000. > The site below gives one view on the development, but googling 'Warley' > will give quite a few others. > boredtown.co.uk/warley.html > > My father was treated there from the mid-forties to mid-fifties and we > used to go back to see some of his > mates, mainly those who had not recovered psychologically from their > war-time service/experiences. > I believe that we used to go to E-block on these occasions. It was very > disconcerting to find that E-block > had been replaced by an almost disney-esque housing development. I think > about a quarter of the old site > has housing built on it but it still had some of the broad vistas down the > hill that I remember from my > childhood. There is still a series of operating NHS units at the top of > the site, but the old Victorian Gothic > core is being converted into flats and offices as far as I understand. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Margaret Grundy <margaret.g39@btinternet.com> > To: middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 5:57:34 PM > Subject: [MDX] Asylum > > The Essex County Asylum is not the same as Severalls Colchester. > > The Essex County Insane Asylum was in Brentwood Essex and opened in 1853 > with 450 patients.It changed to the Brentwood Mental Hospital in 1920.It > is > now a park as far as I can tell. > There is more on the web if you look for either hospitals. > > Margaret > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the National Archives, the records for the Warley Asylum in Brentwood Essex (also known as the Essex County Asylum) are held in the Essex Records Office. I know people who have applied there for records and some are granted and some aren't because there is a closure on the release of records. Regards Diana Any ideas about who I can contact to try and find her hospital record? > > Thanks again, everyone, for your help > Jan

In a message dated 29/10/2008 05:32:24 GMT Standard Time, stu_jan52@activ8.net.au writes: My mother died from 'Senile Dementia (Alzheimer Type)' and that was what was on her death cert - at the time I thought there should be something else, didn't think you could die of dementia!! regards Jan Hi Jan, Well to my mind I think the dementia WAS the cause of his death. He was fit and healthy and went into a care home for a week's respite to give my mum a break and within 2 days he was given an injection to calm him down when he got agitated, not knowing where he was. This drug was apparently a really strong drug that causes severe strokes and even death. The next day he couldn't walk and his head was all on one side and within the week he went down physically contracting septicaemia which eventually caused the kidney failure I suppose. I thought the septicaemia or at least the injection would have been the cause for death because that was what caused the kidney failure. But the doctors didn't want to put that did they? People contract a terminal disease like cancer or motor neurone and sometimes on the death certificate cancer or motor neurone is put as the cause, but other times the doctor will put kidney failure/other because at the end that is what caused the actual death. It's how it is interpreted I think. Regards, Diana

Don't light a fire - or you might go up with the cinders! Get well soon. lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edw.j.Tate Sent: 28 October 2008 17:14 To: Jennifer Cc: rootsweb essex Subject: Re: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos/ 1 Sorry ! can those of you who are interested in Leigh-on-Sea bear wif me as I've gone down wif the flue....... eddy in bavaria or the English patient. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer" <jaebee@shaw.ca> To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: [Ess] Leigh on Sea Photos > Hello List, > > I read David Vesey's request for Leigh on Sea photos and would like > to add my request to the list also. I am related to Michael Tomlin > and would love pictures of anything to do with Leigh. > > Thanks so much, > > Jennifer > Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53

Hi Mick. Yes, the cemy is indeed multi-denominational, and has been from its inception, as (I believe) all cemeteries legally are. These days there are a great many very ornate memorials on the eastern side of Sewardstone Road, to late members of the numerous local Sicilian/Italian nursery-owning Catholic community, some of whom came along to my dad's funeral service in the (C of E) Abbey Church recently and also paid their respects at his burying in the cemetery. Who could wish for better neighbours? In a completely non-morbid way, this cemetery seems to bring all aspects of the community together. The Catholic congregation only recently acquired the Monkswood Road church, possibly circa 1980 at a rough guess, perhaps slightly later. It was built roughly 1900 (sorry for the vagueness; I haven't actively researched these aspects of local life yet) by the Methodists. Before then, the local Catholics worshipped in what I cannot describe as anything other than a medium-sized wooden hut on the western side of Sewardstone Road, opposite Thrift Hall and to the north of the Sultan. When they moved into Monkswood Ave the hut was sold and the site developed as a pair of semi-detached houses, squeezed very tightly into the width available. I used to sit on the wall outside Thrift Hall waiting for a bus home from school until 1980 (I grew up on Avey Lane if that means owt to anyone), and can picture in my mind 'the hut' and vaguely remember it suddenly becoming a pair of houses one day. I left WA in 1982 and didn't return until 1997; I'm sure the change happened after 1980 and before 1982 but may be wrong. I haven't seen any photos of the hut in general circulation - though there may well be one in one of Ray Sears' books. He was (and is) very good at documenting the changes to WA in photographs and notes, especially over the last few decades. There was also a notable local Polish/Czech influx here during WW2, possibly refugees, who seemed to make a point of working in the local nursery industry, which was then very prevalent around the town (most of what is now the Roundhills estate and was until recently Honey Lane Hospital was covered in glasshouses until the 50s and 60s). Perhaps they had in fact been 'conscripted in' to help out in a vital wartime industry (I know it was considered vital during the war, as my grandad was kept out of National Service throughout the war because his job as a lorry driver collecting veg from all over East Anglia for the London markets was considered of utmost importance to the war effort - great grandad owned the trucks and ran the farm on Wood Green Road that they were based at). These days the nursery industry is mainly in the Roydon/Nazeing area, with a smaller presence in north Sewardstone. I would think that the Poles and Czechs mostly returned home after the war, though a fair few certainly stayed here - I can remember one or two local elderly characters being around when I was a boy. The (then decaying rapidly) nurseries were taken over by Sicilians (and some Italians) gradually, from the 1960s or possibly a bit earlier; these days they are synonymous with a massively revitalised local nursery industry, and are quite a presence, if a quiet and industrious one, in local life. This may have had a bearing on the acquisition of the Monkswood Ave church. But I suppose these Poles would have been too late to have any connection with your own relative Mick, though it could be that she came here for similar reasons and in similar circumstances - a World War. In case you're not aware, the current western corner of Poland has historically been ravaged by wars between the Poles and the Germans. I don't know enough of the story to dare try relating it, but it might be worth your while researching this a bit more. I remember something about the Nazis claiming the area for Germany and wiping out all its indigenous Poles, then after the war Poland reclaiming it and wiping out all the indigenous Germans in that area, which as one can imagine would traditionally have been populated by people of various local neighbouring races, whatever the political identity of its parent country. Even the names of the area's towns and villages have been erased and renamed completely differently. Perhaps something similar to all this happened there in the Great War too? Don't forget that it was Hitler's invasion of Poland that prompted Churchill to declare war. I hope I haven't stirred up contentious nationalistic sentiments too much with other listers. If I've got any part of my account wrong I apologise now! History, as William the Bastard said at Hastings, is always (re-)written by the victors, even if they have to resort to needlework to do it. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Csgen50@aol.com Sent: 28 October 2008 11:13 To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Catholics and Waltham Abbey Good morning all, I have just found out that a not too close relly but close enough was Polish. I am having difficulty in finding out about her origins because Poland doesn't have a central records repository. However I do know that Marie Pizlock married a Silas Page in 1923 after arriving in England as a 17yr. old circa 1915. As a devout Catholic I am a bit surprised that she was buried in the Sewardstone Rd. cemetery in 1969 which I always believed to be C.of E. / Protestant. So my questions are, is the Cemetery in Sewardstone Rd. multi denominational and where was the catholic church in the '60's? I believe it was the church at the bottom of Monkswood Ave. My brain is a bit like Lawrence's at the mo. its too cold and damp to function properly. Time to hibernate me thinks. Regards, Mick. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 26/10/2008 19:53

Dianadiluca@aol.com wrote: > > I know for sure that a person I have been researching was certified to an > Asylum in Surrey. She was changed to a 'voluntary' category and was in and out > of the hospital (mostly in) for years. She died in the Asylum. On her > death certificate the cause of death was kidney failure or something like it. I > shouldn't think that 'insanity' or 'mentally ill' is normally recorded as a > cause of death. That's bcause "insanity" or "mental illness" is a condition and it wouldn't cause death of itself. It might be the *reason* for a person to commit suicide though but it still wouldn't be the actual cause. "Temporary insanity" was often given for the reason why someone committed suicide because that would allow the deceased to be buried in consecrated ground. Without that phrase or one similar, the deceased would have been buried in unconsecrated ground or outside the churchyard walls. > My father had severe dementia but the cause of death was > kidney failure. It wasn't the demetia that caused your father's death. That's why it wasn't given as the cause. Kidney failure was the cause. The dementia was incidental. The only time you'll get Insanity mentioned as a cause of death is when it's used as the euphamism for the tertiary stage of syphilis (general paralysis of the insane), which was what carried off a great great uncle who died in Colney Hatch Asylum. (I'd love to know who he acquired that from!)