Hello, The Suffolk FHS is publishing quite a lot of information on CD and the two main projects running at the moment are baptisms for 1813-1900 and marriages for 1754-1812. (Marriages for 1813-1837 for the county was published on CD some time ago.) From the index CD for marriages in Carlford, Colneis, Samford and Wilford deaneries for 1754-1812: - Jonathan JOCELYN, single, of Stratford St. Mary, married Elizabeth KNIGHTS, single, (probably) of East Bergholt, at East Bergholt on 26/06/1796. The Society should also be publishing a new CD containing marriage licences for the Archdeaconry of Suffolk (the eastern half of the county) for 1613-1750 fairly soon - I loaned the book to them on Saturday. Regards, Charles Fuller. joan wrote: > Hello List. Hoping someone can help with a little info on the early life of Elizabeth KNIGHT who's pob was given as HARWICH in the 1851C. Age given as 81. She married about 1793-95, Jonathan JOSCELIN, possibly in Suffolk but maybe in Harwich area. > > I say "possibly Suffolk" because a son, was baptised in Stratford St Mary in 1796. Other children were born in nearby SFK parishes but I have not found a marriage. I haven't had an opportunity to go through any PR's for the Harwich area. Would there be very many? She was still alive for the 1861C, in Colchester, but died the same year aged 91. It would be nice to know who her parents were and where she came from. > > I have put various requests for info on this lady on other lists but so far no-one has responded. Thank you. Joan.

HO107/1836 Chippenham, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 28/F451 Back Lane William SPARKS, visitor, 34, Veterinary Surgeon, b. Fobbing, Essex head: Richard Slade,Brewer CENSUS 2 Page 19/F468 Cook Street Stephen ROSS, lodger, 24, Miller, b. Horton, Essex head: Jane Dummer, Lodging House Keeper Page 22/F470 Susan DALE,svt, 41, Cook, b. North Ockendon, Essex head: Frederick Kent, Local Curate CENSUS 5 Page 17/F559 Old Road Edward MITCHELL, 35, Engine Fitter, b. Cornwall Elizabeth, 28, b. Strand, Mddx Emma, 7, b. Bow, Essex William, 5, do Elizabeth, 3, do

Hi there I have a book on Witham but it is 1500 to 1700 so would not be of reference use to you. However it was written by a lady named Janet Gyford. The only address I have for her is - Blanfred, Chalks Road, Witham, Essex CM8 2BT. The book was printed by Owl Printing Company (Tel 01621 869201) in 1996 Hope this is of some help. Carol Webster, Victoria, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Julie Blackman [mailto:julie@chatwood.eclipse.co.uk] Sent: November 2, 2008 2:29 PM To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] BROWN FAMILY OF WITHAM ESSEX Hello List! Are there any subscribers out there who have any knowledge of Witham? My mother was born there is 1926 and can remember the Butchers on Bridge Street - when she was 18 about 1944 she visited the house with her best friend who was the only child of Frank Percy Brown, by then the Butcher's shop was no longer in operation but had relatives of the Brown family living there - particularly a 'granny' about 80 years old and her daughter, I believe the daughter could be the widow of either Harry Doyler Brown or Alfred Ernest Brown or even David Brown their father who was the master butcher in Witham. I would so love to get this information for my mother - does anyone have a street directory which may give some information (were there street directories available during the war years?). It seems David Brown was the butcher in Witham for a couple of decades - the only mention of a butcher which she can find is "Nichy" Brown would this Brown be one of David's sons? It's possible the Butcher Shop ceased business during the 1st World War when the youngest son Frank Percy was away. Any information would be so gratefully received! Thanks so much, Julie

Hello List! Are there any subscribers out there who have any knowledge of Witham? My mother was born there is 1926 and can remember the Butchers on Bridge Street - when she was 18 about 1944 she visited the house with her best friend who was the only child of Frank Percy Brown, by then the Butcher's shop was no longer in operation but had relatives of the Brown family living there - particularly a 'granny' about 80 years old and her daughter, I believe the daughter could be the widow of either Harry Doyler Brown or Alfred Ernest Brown or even David Brown their father who was the master butcher in Witham. I would so love to get this information for my mother - does anyone have a street directory which may give some information (were there street directories available during the war years?). It seems David Brown was the butcher in Witham for a couple of decades - the only mention of a butcher which she can find is "Nichy" Brown would this Brown be one of David's sons? It's possible the Butcher Shop ceased business during the 1st World War when the youngest son Frank Percy was away. Any information would be so gratefully received! Thanks so much, Julie

Hello Listers, Another of my larger family....(I think) Enid Maud PATERSON born Lewisham married William E HOLLINS in Rochford in 1927 Anyone with any info or connection? Would love to hear from them Regards Ave nee PATERSON

Hi Bob, I looked through the original images from 1841-43, and the nearest I could find was: Elias George SAPSTED (rather than SAPSFORD). It's possible there was a mistake in the register. Did your Elias have a middle name of George? The details of this Elias are: Mar 1841/Elias George SAPSTED/Reg.Dist:Whitechapel/Vol.:2/Page:519 Good luck. Regards, Kristy > From: rstephenson3@cogeco.ca > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:16:08 -0400 > Subject: [Ess] Birth registration lookup > > Hello everyone, as i do not have Ancestry could i please ask if someone might do a birth registration lookup for me on Ancestry. I have looked at Free BMD and there is nothing available. I am looking for Elias SAPSFORD born 1843 as i do have the baptism for him in June of 43. > > Thankyou > > Bob > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

Hello Fellow Listers, I am new to this list and am researching the name of PATERSON. I have found part of 'my' family in ROCHFORD circa 1901 onwards. ROBERT PATERSON aged 73 died 1909 is probably 'mine' as is ELIZABETH PATERSON aged 70 could be his wife died 1916 HUGH SUTHERLAND VALENTINE PATERSON (Val) married in Rochford in 1908 to ETHEL BICKMORE is definitely of my family (his father was Robert born 1835) and PHYLLIS BARCLAY PATERSON born 1898 (granddaughter of Robert b 1835) she is the daughter of Robert James Paterson b 1870 and it appears she married a JACK DOBSON in 1929 in Rochford. Also it appears that a Robert James PATERSON married a RUTH FOSTER in 1916. Not sure whether this is the same Robert (father of Phyllis) or not. If anyone has anymore info on these families (there are other Paterson births deaths and marriages in Rochford in the same time frame which could also belong) I would love to hear from them. Kind regards Ave Ferguson nee PATERSON Napier, NZ

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Although we could not find the information i was looking for i would sincerely like to thank Anne, Margaret and Kristy for taking the time to search for the information for me. Thanks girls Bob

Hello everyone, as i do not have Ancestry could i please ask if someone might do a birth registration lookup for me on Ancestry. I have looked at Free BMD and there is nothing available. I am looking for Elias SAPSFORD born 1843 as i do have the baptism for him in June of 43. Thankyou Bob

The marriage was at St Andrews 4th Quarter 1837. Trouble is I am having difficulties trying to confirm who Lawrence,s parents were as there were several men of the same name around in the 70 years from 1770. May I ask if anyone has a census (1841) that may give the address of Lawrence and Rhoda and if there is anyone nearby by the name of CLENCH? This may help as parents may have lived in the same property or nearby Thanks in anticipation Graham

Hello List. Hoping someone can help with a little info on the early life of Elizabeth KNIGHT who's pob was given as HARWICH in the 1851C. Age given as 81. She married about 1793-95, Jonathan JOSCELIN, possibly in Suffolk but maybe in Harwich area. I say "possibly Suffolk" because a son, was baptised in Stratford St Mary in 1796. Other children were born in nearby SFK parishes but I have not found a marriage. I haven't had an opportunity to go through any PR's for the Harwich area. Would there be very many? She was still alive for the 1861C, in Colchester, but died the same year aged 91. It would be nice to know who her parents were and where she came from. I have put various requests for info on this lady on other lists but so far no-one has responded. Thank you. Joan.

Hi everyone I am looking for a male that lives in Essex hoping someone might be able to help me with. I have a cousin who lives in Essex ,England. He is Frederick or Frank A. PARSALL, lives at, 61 Goodwood Avenue, Hutton,Brentwood, Essex, England. I asked Kevin from the Pubs site ,if he could ring him for me so I could get his address, but silly meI told Kevin that his name was Derek which was wrong. Kevin rang him and asked for a Derek. A man answered the phone and said no Derek here? I found some old letters back in 2004 and I cannot understand his writing as he writes backhand and what I am looking for his POSTCODE, of where he lives as I have a letter to write to this man about our family. This man does not have a computer and makes it hard. I just thought that if I left the Postcode of the envelope he might not get this letter. So would anyone be able to help me with this Postcode so I can send him this letter by snail mail. I would really appreciate this. Take care and THANKS. Noeline kiwi in hot Brisbane.

You can search for UK postcodes on the Royal Mail website here: http://postcode.royalmail.com/ If this link doesn't work, just put 'UK postcode finder' into Google. You can send a letter to the UK without a postcode, so long as the full address is given, which you have done correctly in your posting. If you include a postcode, then you don't actually need most of the address! Just the house number (or name) and postcode should work! Many people put this limited info on the envelope's back as the sender's details. The Post Office will be able to return your letter if need be, but your personal information will remain obscure to most others who might see the envelope whilst it's in transit. Lastly, some people wouldn't like their personal details being spelt out in a public posting. Regards, Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noeline Mullins Sent: 31 October 2008 23:12 To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] PARSALL Hi everyone I am looking for a male that lives in Essex hoping someone might be able to help me with. I have a cousin who lives in Essex ,England. He is Frederick or Frank A. PARSALL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 30/10/2008 14:35

If you will be visiting this church soon can you please contact me.   Thank you.

Hello, Here are some possibilities: 1. The records for Plumstead Cemetery are held by the London Borough of Greenwich - http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/ . I believe that there is a charge for looking up burial entries but I don't know what the current cost is. 2. The death certificate might give some clues as to what happened - if you are lucky it will give the address at which the lady died. The GBP 7.00 charge (including international postage) makes this a worthwhile expense. 3. There was a major influenza epidemic in England in 1918-1919 (as well as many other countries) so it's not impossible that this was a contributory factor to her death. 4. Since the lady was aged 85 and widowed, it's very likely that she was living with family or friends. If you can get an address from (1) or (2), a street directory will give the "head of household". If you reply to me or the list after getting an address, it should be possible to give you further information. 5. The records for Plumstead Cemetery have not (yet) been published by the North West Kent FHS - http://www.nwkfhs.org.uk/ - but it's possible that they may include them in their massive publishing project. 6. It might be worthwhile to contact the Woolwich and District FHS - see http://www.ffhs.org.uk/members2/england/eng-heref.php for details - since Plumstead officially falls within their area. Regards, Charles Fuller. Maureen wrote: > Hi, > My g-grandma (85 yrs) was buried in Plumstead cemetary in Oct. 1920. Her husband died (1913) and was buried in their life-long hometown in Oxfordshire. On the gravestone (in Oxfordshire) it says his wife is buried in Plumstead cemetary. I have no idea why she would be buried there as I can't find any relatives in the immediate area. *Would there be a hospital/old folks home etc. that would bring her to this area?* It is a mystery as they would have had enough money to have transported her back to her hometown for burial. *Were things tough in England in 1920 for her not to have been buried at home?* Any ideas gratefully received. > > Thank you > Maureen

Hi Jane, Greenstead Green is certainly only a short distance from both Halstead (3 miles) and Earl's Colne (about the same or nearer perhaps). Greensted-juxta-Ongar is a completely different village. I visit an elderly relative in Halstead every couple of months and we often take a drive to Earl's Colne and Greenstead Green (where there is a lovely refurbished barn used as a farm shop, cafe and post office). I could possibly take some photos next time I visit. The church is very pretty, though I haven't noticed much else of pictorial interest. The countryside around is lovely and very rural still. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane" <jane0312l@talktalk.net> To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: [Ess] Hi - newbie again | Hi everyone, | | I'm a newbie again - have been on the Essex list a long time ago, but unsubscribed while concentrating on other areas. Back in Essex (although only in mind and on pc!) to track down my lost lot. As usual (for my family) this lot are quite elusive, so I was wondering if any locals and people who know the area well could help me geographically as I haven't actually spent a lot of time in Essex. | | My family are the MAY's from Halstead. Abraham married Susannah Wheatly (surname variants) from Borley in 1815. | | Both born c.1798-1800. The MAY's lived in Greenstead Green. | | Children: William, George, Mary Ann, Henry, Charlotte, Ephraim & David | | *****Henry (b.c.1833) and later children were baptised at High Street Congregational Chapel, Halstead. As the church was new, I was wondering where the eldest children, living in Greenstead Green would have been baptised (and where Abraham & Susannah married - which wasn't her parish - Borley). | | *****Is Greenstead Green also known as 'Greenstead near Ongar' | | *****I've read that Greenstead Green is a hamlet just outside Halstead. And that Halstead is within Braintree? I thought it was closer to Earls Colne - as the family say on some census "where born - Greenstead Green" / "Halstead" / "Earls Colne | | Thank you to anyone who can correct me on the geography of your county. I thought I was in luck tracing my clan from the smallest hamlets, but no luck yet! | | Thanks again | | Jane | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

In a message dated Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:57:26 -0700, Jennifer jaebee@shaw.ca writes: The pictures of Leigh are beautiful, and will be very much appreciated by my grandmother, Michael Tomlin's great-granddaughter. She remembers stories of the famous Michael Tomlin told to her at her Daddy's knee. I hope to get there at some point in my life, and I look forward to a first hand view. When Michael Tomlin's church (on the seafront at Southend - where the Sea Life Centre now is) was closed as part of general clearance by the Council, it was replaced by a new one in nearby Woodgrange Drive. In the 1930s. when the three main branches of Methodism merged, the church was declared redundant and was sold to the local Freemasons (fairly recently sold and redeveloped). In the 1950s a new church was opened in Whittingham Avenue, a couple or three miles away and was called Whittingham Avenue Methodist Church (Michael Tomlin Memorial). So as far as the local Methodist Church is concerned, his name is still remembered - along with one or two of the stories that are often told about him. DaveD

Generally, times weren't bad enough to be the obvious cause of such a case. I'd say it was probably due to a family issue of some sort. I have a similar story in my tree, and investigating it shook loose a rather big skeleton. After some years of tracing the family tree I was told out of the blue (by mum - no-one else ever mentioned it) that my grt-grandad was buried in Moreton cemetery (in the heart of Essex). This was a surprise as no branch of the family had any connections with the area at that time (a different branch came from Ongar about 100 years earlier). Off I trotted one day, found his gravestone, and made enquiries in the village shop (we had such things then). They sent me to a certain cottage in the village, where I found myself being given tea and cakes by his daughter. She soon began phoning various relatives that I did know of, to tell them I'd found her, and then on subsequent visits to them I constantly got stories such as 'he wasn't all bad you know' or 'it's a shame what he did, but he was a great man' and so on. I'd managed to release 40 years of pent-up pressure by banging a nail into the side of the kettle! It turned out that he had two families on the go at the same time, the official lot including my grandad and about a dozen other siblings, but when he got found out one day he ran off to the other lot and never came back; likewise 'our' lot never breathed his name again. His (official) wife is buried at Upshire, on the western border of the county. ____ However I don't think your case sounds like it would have such a negative cause (the mention on the Oxon memorial to the Plumstead burial tells us that things were not hushed-up but open and above board); perhaps the only relatives who could look after your grt-grandma during the 7 years after her husband's death lived at Plumstead. Seven years is quite long enough for ties to a previous residence to get blurred, even a life-long one. That would also explain why no-one took her back there for burial, if there was no longer any family there to visit her grave. In effect, she might even have made a new home for herself at Plumstead. As for old folks' homes, this was a transitionary period when it's tempting to say that the only place where old folk could go was the dreaded workhouse - but I'm not sure when the first, private and exclusive, retirement homes arrived. Probably about then, but not available to most of the population. I would start by looking for anyone else of the same surname at Plumstead, who might turn out to be a son and his family, and then (because it involves one more step) look for any likely marriages for possible daughters, so as to find their married surname, and then look for that surname at Plumstead. If life were straightforward, you might then look in later years for the local burial, hopefully in the same place, of these relatives - but once settled in the sprawl of London (which would include Plumstead then), many people would move all over the place at the drop of a hat, and tracing them within the capital is often fraught with dead-ends. You might need to search for these relatives anywhere in London, which would at that time include at least 3 counties. HTH, Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Sent: 30 October 2008 15:04 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] plumstead cemetary Hi, My g-grandma (85 yrs) was buried in Plumstead cemetary in Oct. 1920. Her husband died (1913) and was buried in their life-long hometown in Oxfordshire. On the gravestone (in Oxfordshire) it says his wife is buried in Plumstead cemetary. I have no idea why she would be buried there as I can't find any relatives in the immediate area. *Would there be a hospital/old folks home etc. that would bring her to this area?* It is a mystery as they would have had enough money to have transported her back to her hometown for burial. *Were things tough in England in 1920 for her not to have been buried at home?* Any ideas gratefully received. Thank you Maureen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 29/10/2008 07:45 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 29/10/2008 07:45

Hi Maureen Even as late as 1920, transporting a body across the country was not something to be entered into lightly, and it would have been an expensive business, so burial near to the place of death was the norm for most people. Her death certificate should give some clues as to where she was living at the time of her death. Just for the record - Plumstead was originally in Kent, but became part of London in 1888. Wrong side of the river for Essex! Best wishes Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Sent: 30 October 2008 15:04 > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ess] plumstead cemetary > > Hi, > My g-grandma (85 yrs) was buried in Plumstead cemetary in Oct. 1920. > Her husband died (1913) and was buried in their life-long hometown in > Oxfordshire. On the gravestone (in Oxfordshire) it says his wife is > buried in Plumstead cemetary. I have no idea why she would be buried > there as I can't find any relatives in the immediate area. *Would > there be a hospital/old folks home etc. that would bring her to this > area?* It is a mystery as they would have had enough money to have > transported her back to her hometown for burial. *Were things tough in > England in 1920 for her not to have been buried at home?* Any ideas > gratefully received. > > Thank you > Maureen > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK- > admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message