Try searching the ERO SEAX web site. http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Default.asp I had a quick look and there was an 18th century map which mentions More End Farm and High Savells Farm Diane

You could try the Essex Place Names database: http://www.essex.ac.uk/history/esah/essexplacenames/ Moor End is apparently something to do with Geoffrey de la More in about 1332 according to Subsidy Rolls in TNA. (Source: P.H. Reaney, The Place-Names of Essex (1935)) On 6 April 2011 20:22, Eve Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All > I am now in possesion of a More Will 1562. (with thanks to SKS) Robert More > died in Chickney > He mentions a Farm in Broxted.to go to his son Thomas I have seen a MOOR > END in the area, Coincidence maybe?? > Is there a web site for Farms and their earlier owners? in Chickney and > Broxted please? > I have farm names for my Moores in Hempstead and Sampfords. > Any sugestions for me to search please? > Thanks > Eve (nee Moore) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have an Enfield Marriage, St Andrew from Ancestry.co.uk 1880. The registration district is Edmonton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <[email protected]> To: "sylvia" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Enfield? > Hi Sylvia > > Enfield has never been in Essex. It was in Middlesex until becoming a > London borough. Ancestry has the baptism registers for St Andrew's, the > original parish church - originals and film are at the LMA. > > Best wishes > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Apr 2011, at 18:47, "sylvia" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Enfield does not come under parishes at SEAX - so is this Middlesex or >> hidden elsewhere in Essex? I'm looking for baptisms c1800. Thanks, >> Sylvia >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All I am now in possesion of a More Will 1562. (with thanks to SKS) Robert More died in Chickney He mentions a Farm in Broxted.to go to his son Thomas I have seen a MOOR END in the area, Coincidence maybe?? Is there a web site for Farms and their earlier owners? in Chickney and Broxted please? I have farm names for my Moores in Hempstead and Sampfords. Any sugestions for me to search please? Thanks Eve (nee Moore)

Hi Sylvia Enfield has never been in Essex. It was in Middlesex until becoming a London borough. Ancestry has the baptism registers for St Andrew's, the original parish church - originals and film are at the LMA. Best wishes Caroline Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2011, at 18:47, "sylvia" <[email protected]> wrote: > Enfield does not come under parishes at SEAX - so is this Middlesex or > hidden elsewhere in Essex? I'm looking for baptisms c1800. Thanks, Sylvia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sylvia, Enfield in Essex - heaven forbid Middlesex is where to look. Happy hunting, Mick

Enfield does not come under parishes at SEAX - so is this Middlesex or hidden elsewhere in Essex? I'm looking for baptisms c1800. Thanks, Sylvia

Hi Looking for any information on William Ainger family from Tendring Essex William b.1760c In Tendring census 1841 Looking for any information and connection to The Simons/Simms family Thank you Nan

G'day Would anyone be willing to help me locate my missing family in the 1911 census please - I just cannot find them Eliza WAYLEN m William MYERS 1892 Gt Ilford Eliza was born Copford 1850 but I'm not sure where William was born as there's conflicting places of birth in the 2 census I have him in - 1891 & 1901 On their marriage, William states he was 34 so born c 1857/8 but on the 1901 census, he's 48 so born around 1853 Williams' father was James In the 1891 census, they're living in Seymour Rd, East Ham & Williams' place of birth is Holloway, Middlesex For the 1901 census, his place of birth is Copford, Essex - I'm sure this is wrong as I've been through the PR's & not located him I cannot locate William in an earlier census either By the 1911 census, Eliza would have been 60 so I don't think they would have emigrated & I cannot locate a death for her William would have been around 53 - 58 I'd appreciate any help I can get with these 2 please Hooroo Teri ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17240) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

On 2011/04/04 17:04, Margaret Taylor wrote: > Checking on Google I found this explanation: "A posthumous birth is the birth > of a child after the death of a parent.[1] A person born in these > circumstances is called a posthumous child or a posthumously born person. > Most instances of posthumous birth involve the birth of a child after the > death of its father, but the term also is applied to infants delivered after > the death of the mother, usually by caesarean section" > > Just thought the above of interest to anyone who may also come across this > term, and like me assume the mother had died! I think you'll find the term is used mainly when the father has died sometime between conception and birth, and a note is made in the register to forestall any future allegations of illegitimacy. Which parent died is usually easily ascertained by reference to the Burials Register - Mother, just after birth and Father, sometime in the preceding 9 months. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Searching Parish Registers I came across the following: Jenny(?) posthmous(sic) daughter of Thomas & Hannah GOYMER bp Jan 9 1741/42 I assumed this implied/meant that Jenny was born after the death of the mother. However, from the 1854 will of the brother of Hannah GOYMER ( nee LADYMAN) he notes his sister Hannah GOYMER so obviously she was still alive in 1854. Checking on Google I found this explanation: "A posthumous birth is the birth of a child after the death of a parent.[1] A person born in these circumstances is called a posthumous child or a posthumously born person. Most instances of posthumous birth involve the birth of a child after the death of its father, but the term also is applied to infants delivered after the death of the mother, usually by caesarean section" Just thought the above of interest to anyone who may also come across this term, and like me assume the mother had died! Margaret Taylor (Toronto)

Sorry Listers Just shook my head so please forget last message Eve

Hi Listers, Is there some kind soul who will be going to ERO soon please?? I just need you to check the Thaxted Marriage of 18th Jan. 1602 Elizabetha Mayzant and Henri Moore to see if it gives a Parish for Henry other than Thaxted. Thanks Eve (nee Moore)

----- Original Message ----- From: "La Greenall" <[email protected]> >I wonder if it's something to do with the burying in woollen acts of > 1666-80? If your burial entries were before roughly 1770, then the > period would be about right. > > Everyone had to be buried in a woollen shroud, unless there were > mitigating circumstances, one of which was extreme poverty. Wikipedia > says "Parish registers were marked with the word affidavit or with a > note A or Aff against the burial entries to confirm that affidavit had > been sworn, or marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen > shroud." So maybe "buried and earthed" might equate to "naked" in this > context? I wonder, and this is supposition on my part, if this could be a phrase which to modern ears seems tautologous but in the 17th.century was either reasonable or if even then somewhat old-fashioned not sufficiently so to be totally archaic/anachronistic. The 1611 Bible talks of "dead corpses", a phrase which was old-fashioned even than. In 2011 we find it impossible to think of a living corpse. So could "bury" be understood as "place the body in the grave" and "earthed" to signify that the grave was then filled? Hmm. forget that..I thought I'd better look at the entries. Image 3 of Little Dunmow Register is of the Burial Register, not an index, and not, as I supposed, the use of "bur: and earthed" against individual entries, but rather, some entries have "Bur:" and the remainder "earthed". Each is followed by "Aff:" and the date of the affidavit. Now the Oxford English Dictionary gives "to earth" in this context the same meanings as "to Bury" and "to inter", noting that "to earth" is obsolete/archaic except in dialect. So, to me, the question would be, if the clerk wwere doing more than demonstrate his vocabulary/adda litle variety to the register (I am sure I've seen "Inter'd" used in other registers) then was he giving the synonyms subtle difereces of meaning, for example with/without coffin with/without shroud [tho' did not the affidavit, which appears in every case here, declare that the corpse was enshrouded in wool?) within/without the church. Someone may know a definitive answer, otherwise, I fear we are left to speculate. Kind Regards, John Henley > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burying_in_Woollen_Acts > > If your group of burials were all early in the register, i.e. in the > late 17th century - as the image number appears to suggest, then perhaps > the 'custom' of writing 'naked' hadn't yet been adopted, which would > make the alternative use of 'earthed' more plausible. > > I dare say that claiming not to be able to afford a woollen shroud might > have been a way of covering up all sorts of ulterior motives, such as > avoidance of tax, but that would probably require collusion or ignorance > on the part of the recording clerk at least. > > > Lawrence.> > > On 03/04/2011 16:52, podnsod wrote: >> After Glyn was kind enough to check out the Dunmow baptism for my Hannah >> Gower (no luck in Great Dunmow) under advisement I took a look at Little >> Dunmow. The baptisms for the years I am interested are not posted yet so I >> thought I had a look anyway. In the "burial" index I saw entries for: bur. >> (one assumes buried) and earthed (1696-1793 image 3). I have never seen this >> before can someone enlighten me? >> >> Thanks, >> Shirley

The letters aff or sometimes att stand for affirmation or attestation and are directly connected to the Woollen Act. A witness was require to swear, ( I am not certain who to), that they had seen the deceased person dressed in woollen clothing and made and attestation or affirmation to this effect. I am not aware of anyone ever being disinterred to check on the honesty of the attestee. -----Original Message----- From: podnsod Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:04 PM To: La Greenall Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ess] Little Dunmow Perhaps our "vicar" found using the word "naked" would offend his flock in rural Little Dunmow. This explanation is quite feasible. Thanks. Something else for my brain to absorb. ----- Original Message ----- From: La Greenall To: podnsod Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Little Dunmow I wonder if it's something to do with the burying in woollen acts of 1666-80? If your burial entries were before roughly 1770, then the period would be about right. Everyone had to be buried in a woollen shroud, unless there were mitigating circumstances, one of which was extreme poverty. Wikipedia says "Parish registers were marked with the word affidavit or with a note A or Aff against the burial entries to confirm that affidavit had been sworn, or marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud." So maybe "buried and earthed" might equate to "naked" in this context? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burying_in_Woollen_Acts If your group of burials were all early in the register, i.e. in the late 17th century - as the image number appears to suggest, then perhaps the 'custom' of writing 'naked' hadn't yet been adopted, which would make the alternative use of 'earthed' more plausible. I dare say that claiming not to be able to afford a woollen shroud might have been a way of covering up all sorts of ulterior motives, such as avoidance of tax, but that would probably require collusion or ignorance on the part of the recording clerk at least. Lawrence. On 03/04/2011 16:52, podnsod wrote: After Glyn was kind enough to check out the Dunmow baptism for my Hannah Gower (no luck in Great Dunmow) under advisement I took a look at Little Dunmow. The baptisms for the years I am interested are not posted yet so I thought I had a look anyway. In the "burial" index I saw entries for: bur. (one assumes buried) and earthed (1696-1793 image 3). I have never seen this before can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Shirley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if it's something to do with the burying in woollen acts of 1666-80? If your burial entries were before roughly 1770, then the period would be about right. Everyone had to be buried in a woollen shroud, unless there were mitigating circumstances, one of which was extreme poverty. Wikipedia says "Parish registers were marked with the word affidavit or with a note A or Aff against the burial entries to confirm that affidavit had been sworn, or marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud." So maybe "buried and earthed" might equate to "naked" in this context? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burying_in_Woollen_Acts If your group of burials were all early in the register, i.e. in the late 17th century - as the image number appears to suggest, then perhaps the 'custom' of writing 'naked' hadn't yet been adopted, which would make the alternative use of 'earthed' more plausible. I dare say that claiming not to be able to afford a woollen shroud might have been a way of covering up all sorts of ulterior motives, such as avoidance of tax, but that would probably require collusion or ignorance on the part of the recording clerk at least. Lawrence. On 03/04/2011 16:52, podnsod wrote: > After Glyn was kind enough to check out the Dunmow baptism for my Hannah > Gower (no luck in Great Dunmow) under advisement I took a look at Little > Dunmow. The baptisms for the years I am interested are not posted yet so I > thought I had a look anyway. In the "burial" index I saw entries for: bur. > (one assumes buried) and earthed (1696-1793 image 3). I have never seen this > before can someone enlighten me? > > Thanks, > Shirley > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have searched over & over again the ( available) SEAX online PRs for the above parishes and although they do sort of cover the time frame of ca 1700 I am crosseyed checking them for a marriage of William LADYMAN ca 1700. If anyone has access to Boyds Marr Indexes could they please check to see if there are any LADYMAN/LADIMAN marriages there. A kind listmember did send me a Gt Oakley marriage of a Mary but I think the William one I am looking for is likely in Lt/Gt Clacton or St.Osyth ( but who knows!) VBG:) Thanks Margaret Taylor (Toronto) "It is by logic that we prove, but by intuition that we discover".

Perhaps our "vicar" found using the word "naked" would offend his flock in rural Little Dunmow. This explanation is quite feasible. Thanks. Something else for my brain to absorb. ----- Original Message ----- From: La Greenall To: podnsod Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Little Dunmow I wonder if it's something to do with the burying in woollen acts of 1666-80? If your burial entries were before roughly 1770, then the period would be about right. Everyone had to be buried in a woollen shroud, unless there were mitigating circumstances, one of which was extreme poverty. Wikipedia says "Parish registers were marked with the word affidavit or with a note A or Aff against the burial entries to confirm that affidavit had been sworn, or marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud." So maybe "buried and earthed" might equate to "naked" in this context? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burying_in_Woollen_Acts If your group of burials were all early in the register, i.e. in the late 17th century - as the image number appears to suggest, then perhaps the 'custom' of writing 'naked' hadn't yet been adopted, which would make the alternative use of 'earthed' more plausible. I dare say that claiming not to be able to afford a woollen shroud might have been a way of covering up all sorts of ulterior motives, such as avoidance of tax, but that would probably require collusion or ignorance on the part of the recording clerk at least. Lawrence. On 03/04/2011 16:52, podnsod wrote: After Glyn was kind enough to check out the Dunmow baptism for my Hannah Gower (no luck in Great Dunmow) under advisement I took a look at Little Dunmow. The baptisms for the years I am interested are not posted yet so I thought I had a look anyway. In the "burial" index I saw entries for: bur. (one assumes buried) and earthed (1696-1793 image 3). I have never seen this before can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Shirley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After Glyn was kind enough to check out the Dunmow baptism for my Hannah Gower (no luck in Great Dunmow) under advisement I took a look at Little Dunmow. The baptisms for the years I am interested are not posted yet so I thought I had a look anyway. In the "burial" index I saw entries for: bur. (one assumes buried) and earthed (1696-1793 image 3). I have never seen this before can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Shirley

Searching for my wife's GALE kin I have found Archibald GALE aged 12 and Harold GALE aged 11, both born Mandalay, India, listed in the 1901 Census at Ongar Grammar School. This makes Archibald born in about 1889 - which corresponds very closely with the information we have, that her first cousin once removed Archibald Stanley GALE was born in September 1888 and christened on 5/Nov/1888 in Rangoon, Burma (more or less the same place as Mandalay). My basic question is, how can we find out more about these two lads? The Census gives no more than I have recorded above, alas, and Ongar Grammar School apparently closed in 1940. Does anyone have any ideas about where their old registers or other records may be kept - or even if they have been preserved?