Hi George It's available for reference in some Essex libraries. If you can wait a week or two, and let me know what you want from it, I may be able to oblige. Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "GEORGE LIAKOSGM" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:35 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Ess] ESSEX RECUSANTS > Hi all, > > Does anyone have access to V 11 and 12 of the Essex Recusant magazine? > > George > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all,   Does anyone have access to V 11 and 12 of the Essex Recusant magazine?   George

Hi Cornelia, I don't think that you can, especially not when the USA comes into the equation as during the days of mass immigration people often changed their name, or had it changed for them, for "difficult" eastern European names to similar sounding English ones. Also, given the vagaries of writing and spelling in the past, some Tindalls could have started out as Tynedalls or Tynedale. Also some people will have adopted the name because it is where they came from. Regards Steve On 10/05/2011 22:41, [email protected] wrote: > how do I find out whether a surname is one where everyone with that > surname is descended from one individual? > > the name of interest is Tindall, and I think it might be one of > those names, but I don't know for certain. > > does anyone know? or know how to find out? > > I'm dna testing, and have matched with someone who has Tindalls in > America, but my Tindall cousins are in England. if I could be certain > that all Tindalls are related, I could help them with connecting to > earlier branches of their tree, whether or not that's the branch we > connect on. > > thank you for your help. > > Cornelia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 10/05/11 22:41, [email protected] wrote: > > how do I find out whether a surname is one where everyone with that > surname is descended from one individual? > > the name of interest is Tindall, Just type Tindall surname into Google! The information you get may not necessarily be correct, and it may not necessarily be the full story, but it'll give you some idea of what others have found out. Angelika

For the last few years I have been researching my and my wife's families plus the names that appear on twenty or so war memorials and I have just realised that I do not know when I was baptised. I can vaguely remember the occasion as my parents had delayed the event from my infancy because I was born in Woodford at the same time as the flying bombs started to create their havoc on the east and south of London. My Mother decided that it was expedient to leave the area and we moved to Buckinghamshire. I know St John's at Buckhurst Hill well having worshipped there when I stayed with my Grandparents. My Grandparents and Great Grandparents are buried there. I have contacted the church who informed me that all the records are now held by the ERO Would someone be kind enough to look me up? I can provide all the information off list except the date! Although it was in the 1950s Michael Allbrook

how do I find out whether a surname is one where everyone with that surname is descended from one individual? the name of interest is Tindall, and I think it might be one of those names, but I don't know for certain. does anyone know? or know how to find out? I'm dna testing, and have matched with someone who has Tindalls in America, but my Tindall cousins are in England. if I could be certain that all Tindalls are related, I could help them with connecting to earlier branches of their tree, whether or not that's the branch we connect on. thank you for your help. Cornelia

Hi Lynne, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Hughson" <[email protected]> > I'm new to the Essex list - I am researching my Essex based family called Gunfield who lived > around St Osyth. Welcome! > I'm very stuck with George Gunfield b. 1824. I can find him in the 1851 census living in Great > Bentley with his wife Martha (Ives), his sons George, Abraham, Frederick and William and his > sister in law Emily Ives but I can't find him before that. Would be grateful for any info so that > I can get back o the previous generation > > Thanks> > Lynne Hughson Ancestry have him indexed as GANFIELD in 1851 - I've submitted a correction GUNFIELD on original page). One possibility in 1841 might be a George GLANFIELD, a chemist's apprentice in Chelmsford. It might help to have his fater's name from the marriage cerificate Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%) GUNFORLD George Tendring 12 475 IVES Martha Tendring 12 475 You will not be able to correct the entry on FreeBMD unles you can persuade the Registrar Generalto amend the Idex itself, which is a modern typewritten copy of the original index, but you can adda Postem note on FreeBMD. Order the cert from the GRO using just the bride's name. If the cert comes back with GUNFIELD, then ask the R-G to amend the index for future researchers. You might also try the records at SEAX Kind regards, John Henley

Lynne, In the 1841 Census there are a John and Ann Gunfield living in Thorrington, born respectively 1799 and 1800 in Essex. These seem possible candidates for George's parents. It might be worth checking the Thorrington baptism registers if you haven't done so already. Have you got George and Martha's marriage register entry/marriage certificate? Does it give any clues as to where he was living at the time of the marriage? What about the witnesses - could they be his parents/brothers/sisters/other relatives? It looks suspiciously as if the Gunfields/Ganfields might have come originally from Somerset as most of the other 1841and 1851 Census entries are from there. One possibility might be to check if there was a large landowner in Tendring in the 1750/1850 period that also owned land in Somerset. Good luck, Gerry On 9 May 2011, at 12:59, Lynne Hughson wrote: > > Hi > > I'm new to the Essex list - I am researching my Essex based family called Gunfield who lived around St Osyth. > > I'm very stuck with George Gunfield b. 1824. I can find him in the 1851 census living in Great Bentley with his wife Martha (Ives), his sons George, Abraham, Frederick and William and his sister in law Emily Ives but I can't find him before that. Would be grateful for any info so that I can get back o the previous generation > > Thanks > > Lynne Hughson > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne The safest and most direct route back to the previous generation would be via George and Martha's marriage certificate (Q4 1842, Tendring Vol 12 page 475). HTH Caroline > > Hi > > I'm new to the Essex list - I am researching my Essex based family > called Gunfield who lived around St Osyth. > > I'm very stuck with George Gunfield b. 1824. I can find him in the 1851 > census living in Great Bentley with his wife Martha (Ives), his sons > George, Abraham, Frederick and William and his sister in law Emily Ives > but I can't find him before that. Would be grateful for any info so > that I can get back o the previous generation > > Thanks > > Lynne Hughson

Hi I'm new to the Essex list - I am researching my Essex based family called Gunfield who lived around St Osyth. I'm very stuck with George Gunfield b. 1824. I can find him in the 1851 census living in Great Bentley with his wife Martha (Ives), his sons George, Abraham, Frederick and William and his sister in law Emily Ives but I can't find him before that. Would be grateful for any info so that I can get back o the previous generation Thanks Lynne Hughson

1841 census. There is a George, transcribed as GLANFIELD in High Street Chelmsford (District 1). The transcription looks a bit iffy, I see an "L" in there, but also the next letter looks like a "U". He is aged 24 and born in Essex, an apprentice chemist. Piece 325. Book 8. Folio 14. Page #22. Shirley in Florida -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Hughson Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Gunfield Hi I'm new to the Essex list - I am researching my Essex based family called Gunfield who lived around St Osyth. I'm very stuck with George Gunfield b. 1824. I can find him in the 1851 census living in Great Bentley with his wife Martha (Ives), his sons George, Abraham, Frederick and William and his sister in law Emily Ives but I can't find him before that. Would be grateful for any info so that I can get back o the previous generation Thanks Lynne Hughson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anne, Richard and Jim for all that information. And Richard, I appreciate that you very kindly did a lot of research on this subject some time ago and it was and is now very much valued. I believe you have the right comments and this clarifies things for me (who has been worrying about it on and off for the past two or three years!). Time to get enough data to be able to make a decision and then move on - or back. Thankyou all from Western Canada.

About three years ago I was involved in protracted research for and correspondence with David Moss about the origins of his ancestor James. I thought we had established the following facts about James, who died on 20 Oct. 1859 and was buried at Gt. Stambridge (where his tombstone shows his age as 58, as does the burial register). James was the son of James Moss, a farmer, according to his second marriage on 30 Nov 1838 at Rochford to Maria Peters, who was born about 1820. His first wife was Lucy, the widow of a Mr. Wright. She was buried 6 Jun 1837 at Rochford aged 46. James and Lucy were married at Runwell on 11 Nov 1823. So James first married a woman some ten years his senior, and then one about half his age! James’ second marriage was witnessed by Benjamin and Sarah Moss, who were farming at Barstable Hall in 1841; Benjamin was baptized at Gt Totham on 18 Nov 1804. His parents were James Moss and Martha Nunn, who were married 6 Oct 1803 at Gt Totham; both had been married before. The father James had (probably) previously married Sarah Chad on 7 May 1799 at Hatfield Peverel, and it seemed reasonable to assume that the James who died in 1859 was their son, although he wasn’t baptized there. There are quite a number of entries in the years before and just after 1800 for what appear to be several Moss families in Little Braxted, despite it being described in White’s 1848 directory as “a small parish, on the east side of the river Blackwater, one mile east of Witham, containing only 126 inhabitants, 563 acres of land, a few scattered houses and cottages, and a water mill”. The Braxteds adjoin Gt Totham parish, and all three are near to Hatfield Peverel (where there are quite a number of entries). But the Familysearch entry can’t be ‘our’ James if the father’s name on the 1828 marriage is correct. By 1841 no one named Moss lived in either Little or Great Braxted. James’ marriage to Lucy Wright at Runwell was witnessed by Susan Sains, and it seems likely she is the person who married Thomas Moss there in 1830. And it seems likely that it was this Thomas who witnessed the marriage of Benjamin Moss and Sarah Stock at Fobbing in 1829 (who are presumably the witnesses to James’ second marriage in 1838). My gut feeling is that the Moss line is centered around the parishes to the south of Witham (the Tothams, Braxteds, Hatfield Peverel etc.) at around the turn of the 18th century, and there was a drift to the southwest over the years. Certainly by the mid 19th century several of them were doing quite well. I suspect the widow Lucy Wright was either already related in some way to James’ family, or she was the legatee of her late husband's property. And I think it's also clear that James, Benjamin, and Thomas are all related, and may well be brothers - although James almost certainly is Benjamin's half brother. What needs to be done next in my view is to extract all of the Moss and related entries for the parishes where relevant records have already been found so as to piece a much larger tree together to prove where James fits in to it. I’d also look at wills and leases and farm accounts at the Essex Record Office – although this won’t be easy for David as he is in Canada. Dick Mathews On 6 May 2011 03:09, Anne Chambers <[email protected]> wrote: > There is this baptism on the LDS familysearch site which is a possibility > Name: James Moss > Gender: Male > Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Jun 1800 > Baptism/Christening Place: Little Braxted, Essex, England > > Father's Name: John Moss > Father's Birthplace: > Father's Age: > Mother's Name: Elizabeth > Mother's Birthplace: > Mother's Age: > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03390-7 > System Origin: England-EASy > Source Film Number: 1702172 > Reference Number: > Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 > > Little Braxted is 5 miles from Hatfield Peverel according to Google maps - > perhaps the family moved moved to > Hatfield when he was a child and he thought that was where he was born, or > perhaps Little Braxted was his > mother's home parish and he was taken there to be baptised > > His year of birth would appear as 1801 on the census as his birthdate was > in June > > Anne > South Australia > > > david moss wrote: > > James Moss b1801 in "Hatfield" (he says on the 1851 Rochford census) > d1859 > > Great Stambridge. Have had ERO check all three Hatfields for his > > birth/christening with no success. They also checked surrounding > parishes > > with no success. Does anybody have any information on his > birth/christening > > or can suggest alternate sources of this information? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is this baptism on the LDS familysearch site which is a possibility Name: James Moss Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Jun 1800 Baptism/Christening Place: Little Braxted, Essex, England Father's Name: John Moss Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03390-7 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1702172 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Little Braxted is 5 miles from Hatfield Peverel according to Google maps - perhaps the family moved moved to Hatfield when he was a child and he thought that was where he was born, or perhaps Little Braxted was his mother's home parish and he was taken there to be baptised His year of birth would appear as 1801 on the census as his birthdate was in June Anne South Australia david moss wrote: > James Moss b1801 in "Hatfield" (he says on the 1851 Rochford census) d1859 > Great Stambridge. Have had ERO check all three Hatfields for his > birth/christening with no success. They also checked surrounding parishes > with no success. Does anybody have any information on his birth/christening > or can suggest alternate sources of this information? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

H, David, There is also a James Moss married a Susannah Staines 18 March 1816 Hatfield Peverel. My wife's has a cousin Peter Moss who was born in Great Braxted and I have traced them back to Samuel Moss born 1814 in Messing, a village close to Braxted. Regards, David Chambers

James Moss b1801 in "Hatfield" (he says on the 1851 Rochford census) d1859 Great Stambridge. Have had ERO check all three Hatfields for his birth/christening with no success. They also checked surrounding parishes with no success. Does anybody have any information on his birth/christening or can suggest alternate sources of this information?

The register that contains the entry for the marriage of Reynold BUSH and Eliz STANNERS is available to view for free via the Essex Record Office. Here is the link to the page on which it appears - http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Images.Net/?ID=935403&intThisRecordsOffSet=&intOf fSet= This entry along with other BUSH entries appear in the register for St Andrew Church Hornchurch Essex 1576-1723 - Ref D/P 115/1/1 Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Ray Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 1:50 AM To: [email protected]; Bill Bush Subject: Re: [Ess] Reynold Bush (1600-1686) Bill, Reynold is a pretty unusual first name. There is a marriage in the IGI of a REYNOLD BUSH with an ELIZTH. STANNERS JUN 1644 Hornchurch, Essex, England: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp There seem to be quite a few BUSH family members at that church. You can find Essex batch numbers for the IGI at Hugh Wallis' website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers /CountyEssex.htm Best regards, Stephanie On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Bill Bush <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently completed participation in the BUSH Surname DNA Project and my > DNA connects me to the lineage of Reynold Bush (1600-1686) who emigrated > from England (Fering Parish, Essex Co.) to the Massachusetts Colony in about > 1640. I have found reliable references to Reynold and his son John (d. 1663) > and grandson Abiel (1661) in Cambridge, Mass. It is thought that Reynold > married in England prior to emigration and his wife and mother of John was > Elizabeth Clench. > > > > I would appreciate any information on Reynold's birth, baptism, marriage, > emigration, possible wife E. Clench - is there an address contact with any > parish/county records offices where I may follow up to get additional > information? > > > > Bill Bush > > [email protected] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, Reynold is a pretty unusual first name. There is a marriage in the IGI of a REYNOLD BUSH with an ELIZTH. STANNERS JUN 1644 Hornchurch, Essex, England: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp There seem to be quite a few BUSH family members at that church. You can find Essex batch numbers for the IGI at Hugh Wallis' website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyEssex.htm Best regards, Stephanie On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Bill Bush <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently completed participation in the BUSH Surname DNA Project and my > DNA connects me to the lineage of Reynold Bush (1600-1686) who emigrated > from England (Fering Parish, Essex Co.) to the Massachusetts Colony in about > 1640. I have found reliable references to Reynold and his son John (d. 1663) > and grandson Abiel (1661) in Cambridge, Mass. It is thought that Reynold > married in England prior to emigration and his wife and mother of John was > Elizabeth Clench. > > > > I would appreciate any information on Reynold's birth, baptism, marriage, > emigration, possible wife E. Clench - is there an address contact with any > parish/county records offices where I may follow up to get additional > information? > > > > Bill Bush > > [email protected] > >

http://www.essex.gov.uk/Libraries-Archives/Record-Office/Pages/Record-Office.aspx ----- Original Message ----- >I recently completed participation in the BUSH Surname DNA Project and my > DNA connects me to the lineage of Reynold Bush (1600-1686) who emigrated > from England (Fering Parish, Essex Co.) to the Massachusetts Colony in > about > 1640. I have found reliable references to Reynold and his son John (d. > 1663) > and grandson Abiel (1661) in Cambridge, Mass. It is thought that Reynold > married in England prior to emigration and his wife and mother of John was > Elizabeth Clench. > > > > I would appreciate any information on Reynold's birth, baptism, marriage, > emigration, possible wife E. Clench - is there an address contact with any > parish/county records offices where I may follow up to get additional > information? > > > > Bill Bush > > [email protected] >

I recently completed participation in the BUSH Surname DNA Project and my DNA connects me to the lineage of Reynold Bush (1600-1686) who emigrated from England (Fering Parish, Essex Co.) to the Massachusetts Colony in about 1640. I have found reliable references to Reynold and his son John (d. 1663) and grandson Abiel (1661) in Cambridge, Mass. It is thought that Reynold married in England prior to emigration and his wife and mother of John was Elizabeth Clench. I would appreciate any information on Reynold's birth, baptism, marriage, emigration, possible wife E. Clench - is there an address contact with any parish/county records offices where I may follow up to get additional information? Bill Bush [email protected]