Does anyone have anything on Joseph WEBB died Romford 1903 according to FreeBMD? Seeing if I can tie him up with man of same name born circa 1835/37 at Bottisham, CAMBS. Sons Frederick (b.1872) and Arthur (b.1878) and daug Kate (b.1875, marr CHAPMAN, Islington). In 1891 family living at Woodford Green ESS and 1901 lodging at Carlisle Cottage, White Hart, Woodford Green High Rd. Did Romford reg dist cover Woodford? Thanks Rob

History of the 1881 census index for those not aware. Done as a joint exercise between members of family history societies in the UK and the LDS. UK people did the extraction work in the main, the LDS keyed the data and produced the electronic version. It was available on CD (perhaps still is) and microfiche initially. Currently available online from: Ancestry with page images for subscribers, or as a free index only. FMP as a free index, not sure if they have the images as well. >From the LDS FamilySearch site as a free index. FreeCEN are doing their own version as I understand. Other census years 1841 - 1901 have been indexed independently by Ancestry and FMP (excluding FMP's 1901 which was done for The National Archives). Quality of the indexing is often raised as an issue but I have found little difference in accuracy between them all including 1881. Parts of 1881 never got finished in time and were not included on the initial release. 1911 has been indexed for TNA and is available at three subscription/pay as you go sites currently. Ancestry are currently indexing 1911. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Records Office online > Except 1881? > > That is on Ancestry and a couple of others, I think. > > Just checked. Also at Genes Reunited and Find My Past and partially at > FreeCen > > Cheers > Steve >

A 1911 census index is now also available free on FamilySearch, and it includes place of birth in the search results. For those without a subscription, this can help to reduce the number of credits needed to find the correct entry on paysites. https://www.familysearch.org/ HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ListMail 1911 has been indexed for TNA and is available at three subscription/pay as you go sites currently. Ancestry are currently indexing 1911. Keith Wellington, NZ

ListMail wrote: > FMP as a free index, not sure if they have the images as well. Yes, they do. > FreeCEN are doing their own version as I understand. FreeCEN are transcribing all the censuses with the exception currently of the 1911 but that will follow in due course. The transcriptions are the copyright of the site on which they appear or, in the case of FreeCEN, the transcriber. That's why each site does, or is doing, its own transcription. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

The 1881 Census is available from FamilySearch online but Scotland is not included. If you purchase the disc which is still available from the LDS/Mormon Church set Scotland is included on there. Hope that this helps. Ingrid Billings

Records advise that Baldwin de Redvers 1st Earl of Devon married, after the death of his first wife Adeliza, Lucy de Clare daughter Richard Fitz Gilbert de Clare.   A Charter of Countess Lucy issued after the death of Baldwin de Redvers (1155) consists of a gift to the Priory of Stoke by Clare for the souls of Baldwin and her brother Gilbert.   Has anyone further information relating to Countess Lucy? Were any children born of this union?   Thank you   Paul Bulkley

Steve wrote: > Except 1881? > > That is on Ancestry and a couple of others, I think. > > Just checked. Also at Genes Reunited and Find My Past and partially at FreeCen It was originally available on FamilySearch free of charge. The transcript is free (or should be) on all other sites. There is a charge for the images on the subscription sites. I think that's what Keith was driving at: the 1881 is a freebie. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Except 1881? That is on Ancestry and a couple of others, I think. Just checked. Also at Genes Reunited and Find My Past and partially at FreeCen Cheers Steve On 03/07/2011 00:38, ListMail wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwina Higgins"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Records Office online > > >> No one likes paying for access to archives - me included. But I have to >> say I would rather pay my pennies to support the actual ERO itself than >> to support a commercial company. Lesser of two evils? >> > It is worth noting that without commercial operators taking a business risk, > then a lot of the information we enjoy on the Internet would not be > available to us. > > Census data all years and areas 1841 - 1911 except 1881. Previously the data > was available only in patches and then one had to purchase multiple CDs. > > London parish registers from the LMA and an increasing number of other > regions. Passenger lists, immigration and emigration lists. And many more. > > When one lives 12,000 miles away from where records are held, as I do, one > appreciates the relatively low cost of getting data from commercial > providers as well as government and county agencies. > > Even this list is available to you free of charge thanks to a commercial > business. > > Keith Wellington, NZ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwina Higgins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Records Office online > No one likes paying for access to archives - me included. But I have to > say I would rather pay my pennies to support the actual ERO itself than > to support a commercial company. Lesser of two evils? > It is worth noting that without commercial operators taking a business risk, then a lot of the information we enjoy on the Internet would not be available to us. Census data all years and areas 1841 - 1911 except 1881. Previously the data was available only in patches and then one had to purchase multiple CDs. London parish registers from the LMA and an increasing number of other regions. Passenger lists, immigration and emigration lists. And many more. When one lives 12,000 miles away from where records are held, as I do, one appreciates the relatively low cost of getting data from commercial providers as well as government and county agencies. Even this list is available to you free of charge thanks to a commercial business. Keith Wellington, NZ

Brad Rogers wrote: > Like it or not (and like you, I'm not keen), but without those > exclusivity contracts, Ancestry, FMP, et al wouldn't make the info > available, because their revenue stream would be compromised. There is that. If they couldn't get the revenue, they'd probably up the subs which could result in membership declining. Catch 22 > The likelihood is that the rights to the databases they have would be > sold on to other interested parties. One would certainly hope so but it would probably be several weeks or even months before they were available again. There'd be an awful lot of very frustrated researchers in the interim! <G> I'm more in favour of databases being held exclusively for a set period before other sites could purchase them *if they so wished*; rather like FMP with the 1911 census. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Phoebe Webster is living with Isaac in 1851 Class: HO107; Piece: 1500; Folio: 725; Page: 36 3 Cornelia Terrace Islington Isaac Webster 60 Carter b Herts. St Albans Phebe Webster 50 b Middlesex Shoreditch so it's quite possible that either Thomas or Isaac's first wife hadn't died at that stage. Anne South Australia Steve Westley wrote: > Good morning listers > > My name is Stephen Westley and I am searching for information on my Great, > Great Grandparents. > > I believe that they may have been transient workers, as I am finding it very > hard to fill in the gaps in their lives. > > Thomas Westley& Phoebe Davis were married on the 23 January 1821 at St > Leonards, Shoreditch, London, Middlesex. Originally, I thought that they > were "natives" of London, but after considerable searching and professional > research, I can still find no sign of them until 20 February 1833 when their > so called youngest son William was baptised at St Marys, Islington. He was 1 > month old when baptised and may have been born in another county, although > his parent's address was listed as Payne Street. > > At the age of 16, William migrated to New Zealand, so I have quite a lot of > information on his life, however Thomas and Phoebe once again managed to > disappear. > > I have since learned that Phoebe was married to Isaac Webster on 19 April > 1852 at St Pancras Parish Church so Thomas must have died prior to this > date. > > Maybe a family from this list has a Thomas and Phoebe Westley that were not > married in the area but who have children born in the parish or elsewhere. > > I have already placed this notice in Kent, Surrey, and Hertfordshire lists > with a limited amount of success, but a lot of helpful advice. > > I look forward to hearing from a cousin!!! > > Cheers > > Steve Westley > > Grafton NSW

Good morning listers My name is Stephen Westley and I am searching for information on my Great, Great Grandparents. I believe that they may have been transient workers, as I am finding it very hard to fill in the gaps in their lives. Thomas Westley & Phoebe Davis were married on the 23 January 1821 at St Leonards, Shoreditch, London, Middlesex. Originally, I thought that they were "natives" of London, but after considerable searching and professional research, I can still find no sign of them until 20 February 1833 when their so called youngest son William was baptised at St Marys, Islington. He was 1 month old when baptised and may have been born in another county, although his parent's address was listed as Payne Street. At the age of 16, William migrated to New Zealand, so I have quite a lot of information on his life, however Thomas and Phoebe once again managed to disappear. I have since learned that Phoebe was married to Isaac Webster on 19 April 1852 at St Pancras Parish Church so Thomas must have died prior to this date. Maybe a family from this list has a Thomas and Phoebe Westley that were not married in the area but who have children born in the parish or elsewhere. I have already placed this notice in Kent, Surrey, and Hertfordshire lists with a limited amount of success, but a lot of helpful advice. I look forward to hearing from a cousin!!! Cheers Steve Westley Grafton NSW

I am looking for 2 Baptism records from Great Leighs. The first is for Eliza GALLEY, born about 1807 @ Gt. Leighs (date of birth estimated from 1851, 1861 & 1871 Census Records) The second is for Thomas GALLEY, born about 1805 @ Gt. Leighs Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario Canada

On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:38:43 +0100 Charani <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Charani, > more and more available. My main gripe about the commercial sites are > the exclusive deals they make so there is only one source for the Like it or not (and like you, I'm not keen), but without those exclusivity contracts, Ancestry, FMP, et al wouldn't make the info available, because their revenue stream would be compromised. > records - and what happens when/if they go under? The likelihood is that the rights to the databases they have would be sold on to other interested parties. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Keep your drink just give em the money U & Ur Hand - P!nk

On 02/07/2011 12:02, Edwina Higgins wrote: > No one likes paying for access to archives - me included. But I have to > say I would rather pay my pennies to support the actual ERO itself than > to support a commercial company. Lesser of two evils? I completely agree. And there's another point in favour too - until very recently, the only way to see copies of the actual pages of these parish registers was to make a trip to Essex Record Office. I'd hate to guess how much that would cost Jennifer in Canada, but even for me in Waltham Abbey, that means maybe £20 on fuel, parking and lunch, and a day taken which could have been put to some other use. It's all too easy to compare plans for pay-per-view with the free offering which recently appeared, but when compared with going to the record office, I'd happily pay quite a lot to be able to access this material at home. I dare say it also eases the pressure at the office too, the staff not having to deal with my constant cries for attention! If that also means maintained standards of service for visitors who have to go to see the more esoteric or undigitised records, then that's yet another benefit. I'd also like to congratulate ERO for the high standard of their images - I bet the scanning equipment didn't come cheap! Lawrence a member of Waltham Abbey Historical Society (though this is a personal opinion)

Edwina Higgins wrote: > No one likes paying for access to archives - me included. But I have to > say I would rather pay my pennies to support the actual ERO itself than > to support a commercial company. Lesser of two evils? The way I look at is that it's going to cost me considerably more to physically visit the archives than it would for online access or even using an archive's research service. We may dislike supporting commercial companies, some more so than others, but at least they have the wherewithal to make records available and it is our subscriptions to these sites that helps make more and more available. My main gripe about the commercial sites are the exclusive deals they make so there is only one source for the records - and what happens when/if they go under? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

No one likes paying for access to archives - me included. But I have to say I would rather pay my pennies to support the actual ERO itself than to support a commercial company. Lesser of two evils? Edwina Higgins

[email protected] wrote: > I do advise everyone to keep checking into www. Family S earch.org > (LDS) website as their records are almost updated daily. They at > this time have no plans to make any charges for their records. It's not their intention to make any charges at any time and I don't think they will either. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Thanks also to Mick Loxdale for his posting on the ERO . My bowser is acting up today - (must be those rebels figiting in their graves with the approach of July 4th) ;-)! Peter's posting was the only one to pop up. However, Mike's popped up shortly after. Shirley in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Loxdale" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 2:50:04 PM Subject: [Ess] ESSEX RECORD OFFICE ON LINE Just received the below in the Essex RO monthly E-bulletin, which may be of interest:   Pay-to-Browse Launch Essex Record Office will be launching Essex Ancestors on 30 August. This new service will offer unlimited pay-to-browse access to Essex parish registers and many wills, giving customers fuller and wider access to our holdings from the comfort of their homes. Parish register coverage will extend from at least 1538 to 1837 with the period 1837 to the present partly included at go-live date or planned imminently. Marriages within the last 50 years will be excluded, in compliance with government guidelines, however.   Parish register and will images will become available for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 6 months or 1 year according to the user's need or preference, but we are pleased to say that access to the images will be free in the ERO Searchroom.   We look forward to your future comments  (e mail: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]) and hope that this new departure will help mitigate our savings in the new financial climate.     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- Thanks Peter for that update. I do hope that the ERO does not get too greedy! Unfortunately as genealogical research becomes more popular throughout the world, everyone wants to put their hand in our pockets. Ah well, I guess in this age of crippling cuts to many government services (in UK & USA) it was to be expected.  I do advise everyone to keep checking into  www. Family S earch.org (LDS) website as their records are almost updated daily. They at this time have no plans to make any charges for their records. Kind regards, Shirley in Florida Essex Online Parish Clerk Coordinator