On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:37:29 +0100 Jan R <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Jan, > I'd just like to add that the situation is still the same today... Exactly. My brother even spelt our mother's name incorrectly for her death certificate. He did notice it, but not until after the original entry was made, and one or two companies (read: banks) refused to accept that the person named on the cert was the person whose account it was we were trying to close. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane Nightrain - Guns 'N' Roses

On the Find my Past website, don't put in any name at all, just year of birth and "Billericay" in the place of residence. Among the names that come up are the initials only of the patients of the Essex County Lunatic Asylum, Starting at Ref: RG14PN10015 RD193 SD1 ED20 SN9999 (staff etc) Registration District:Billericay Sub District:Brentwood Enumeration District: 20 Parish:South Weald Address:Brentwood EssexCounty: Essex Hope that helps. Although putting in just Rosetta's initials didn't come up with anything but perhaps misread OR not residing there in1911?? Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:29 PM Subject: [Ess] Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > Rosetta Ann Fisk nee Jarvis b. c. 1835 Rainham, Essex. She is in Blue > Houses Rainham from 1841 - 1881. She married Henry Fisk in 1861 he dies > 1889 r. Billericay, Essex. > I can't find her for 1891 but in 1901 she turns up in the Brentwoood > Lunatic Asylum (can't think of a PC name for it, although I know where it > is) as R.A Fisk. > I am trying to find her in the 1911 census (Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > possibly) but I can't find her no matter what computation I put in. I > thought the address search would be helpful but can't figure out that > computation either. I can't find her in any other location. > Does anyone have an ancestor who is there for 1911 that I could piggy back > from? Then I can troll the whole census. > She dies in 1920 in Billericay registration district. Could that be the > Asylum? > I have not purchased her death certificate so can't confirm the death > details in 1920. Thanks, > Shirley in Florida

> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:55:24 +0100 > I have marriage certs where father & occupation are listed, yet it is > known that the father was deceased several years by the time of the > wedding. I'd just like to add that the situation is still the same today... When my daughter got married last month, I happened to be present immediately before the wedding when the registrar wrote down her details ready to copy into the register during the ceremony. The father's name and occupation are required information, and it was only because I butted in with "Do we have to add that her father is deceased?" that that detail found it's way into the register! The registrar had had all the information long in advance, but they must ask it and write it down again freshly at the marriage, and whatever the bride & groom say on the day is what goes on the register/certificate.  Regards,Jan

Hi Listers I am planning a trip to Essex from Canada in October. We will be hiring a car to visit Hempstead, Sampfords, Wimbish, Radwinter, Thaxted, and Chickney If anyone has done this trip, or close could they sugest a reasonable B & B to give us a Hub to work from. Thanks Eve Ferguson

If you give us the name of the prisoner/s my husband will see if he has any records for him/them. Heather ESFH -----Original Message----- From: Rob Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 July 2011 13:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Gaol calendars Hello, Can anyone advise me on how and where to find gaol calendars? I am particularly interested in a man who was tried at the Chelmsford Assizes in 1797 and another who was tried at the Lent Assizes in 1798. I notice from searching Seax on the Essex County Council's website (record office page) that they hold session books for these periods and that these contain calendars of prisoners, but it is not clear to me whether these are comprehensive. Many thanks. Regards,Rob Dickinson

Thanks again everyone for your help and advice. It was very much appreciated. George

Hi Is anyone on this list related to the BYFORDS listed below:- Fred BYFORD and Rose HOCKLEY. There children are:- Hilda May Frederick Norman Phyllis Lucie Dorothy Maurice Stuart Stanley (Sonny) Raymond Cyril Jim Verdun Winifred Dennis Pam in the UK

Rob Dickinson wrote: > Hello, Can anyone advise me on how and where to find gaol > calendars? I am particularly interested in a man who was tried at > the Chelmsford Assizes in 1797 and another who was tried at the > Lent Assizes in 1798. I notice from searching Seax on the Essex > County Council's website (record office page) that they hold > session books for these periods and that these contain calendars of > prisoners, but it is not clear to me whether these are > comprehensive. If they have the session books and the calendars that'll be as comprehensive as they get. If you're looking for more than the name, crime, date of arrest, date of conviction (or not) and sentence, then the local papers (if any) would be the place to look. There may be a descriptions book as well. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi George No need to apologise. Alas, whilst finding a father noted as "deceased" on a marriage certificate *may* indicate that he was, indeed, dead, finding no such annotation certainly does not mean that he was still alive. There was no statutory requirement to record this information - some clerics made a note if they knew a father was dead, or were told that he was, others didn't bother, and if the information wasn't proffered it was rarely asked for. Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid! Best wishes Caroline > I would like to thank everyone on the list for their help, but I owe > you all an > apology for leading you up the wrong tree. Thanks to Eve from this list > she > asked me if I had the wedding certificate of their son William to see > if the > father was deceased. This is something I never thought of so I checked > it out > and George was an Husbandman when William was married in 1861. So > obvious George > was alive in 1861. So all you helpful people out there I have had you > looking at > the wrong dates. It still doesn’t alter the fact that I am still > looking for > George and Susannah’s death and still need help. By the way they were > married in > Sible Hedingham on Oct 11th 1837. Thanks once again. > George

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:40:58 +0100 (BST) G ROBSON <[email protected]> wrote: Hello G, > father was deceased. This is something I never thought of so I checked > it out and George was an Husbandman when William was married in 1861. > So obvious George was alive in 1861. Unfortunately, it isn't: I have marriage certs where father & occupation are listed, yet it is known that the father was deceased several years by the time of the wedding. Equally, I have certs where father is recorded as deceased but has been located elsewhere, having separated from the family for some reason. Of course, having said all that, the likelihood is that he *was* alive at the time. Remember though, never assume..... -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses

  This is very misleading as I have many wedding certs where the father is listed and not noted as deceased, but I know for certain that they were dead, so no you can't rely on that information.   Sue     --- On Wed, 27/7/11, G ROBSON <[email protected]> wrote: From: G ROBSON <[email protected]> Subject: [Ess] Apology To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 15:40 I would like to thank everyone on the list for their help, but I owe you all an apology for leading you up the wrong tree. Thanks to Eve from this list she asked me if I had the wedding certificate of their son William to see if the father was deceased. This is something I never thought of so I checked it out and George was an Husbandman when William was married in 1861. So obvious George was alive in 1861. So all you helpful people out there I have had you looking at the wrong dates. It still doesn’t alter the fact that I am still looking for George and Susannah’s death and still need help. By the way they were married in Sible Hedingham on Oct 11th 1837. Thanks once again. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank everyone on the list for their help, but I owe you all an apology for leading you up the wrong tree. Thanks to Eve from this list she asked me if I had the wedding certificate of their son William to see if the father was deceased. This is something I never thought of so I checked it out and George was an Husbandman when William was married in 1861. So obvious George was alive in 1861. So all you helpful people out there I have had you looking at the wrong dates. It still doesn’t alter the fact that I am still looking for George and Susannah’s death and still need help. By the way they were married in Sible Hedingham on Oct 11th 1837. Thanks once again. George

Just a note of caution - not every marriage certificate correctly identifies whether fathers are or aren't deceased. Plenty of times I have been searching for ancestors only to find that they had already died, it just wasn't recorded on the marriage certificates of their children. It's most definitely not a hard and fast rule. Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:40:58 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Ess] Apology > > I would like to thank everyone on the list for their help, but I owe you all an > apology for leading you up the wrong tree. Thanks to Eve from this list she > asked me if I had the wedding certificate of their son William to see if the > father was deceased. This is something I never thought of so I checked it out > and George was an Husbandman when William was married in 1861. So obvious George > was alive in 1861. So all you helpful people out there I have had you looking at > the wrong dates. It still doesn’t alter the fact that I am still looking for > George and Susannah’s death and still need help. By the way they were married in > Sible Hedingham on Oct 11th 1837. Thanks once again. > George > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Can anyone advise me on how and where to find gaol calendars? I am particularly interested in a man who was tried at the Chelmsford Assizes in 1797 and another who was tried at the Lent Assizes in 1798. I notice from searching Seax on the Essex County Council's website (record office page) that they hold session books for these periods and that these contain calendars of prisoners, but it is not clear to me whether these are comprehensive. Many thanks. Regards,Rob Dickinson

Thanks for the information Angelika. One of those could be my great great Grandfather because in those days I think thats how they spelt it. Also Susannah could have remarried with them been so young when George died. Something for me to look into.  By the way is Epping anywhere near Halstead, not up on my history. Thanks again for your help. George ________________________________ From: Angelika <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011 8:12:57 Subject: Re: [Ess] HESLER Using the search function on Findmypast I found the death of a George HASLER in the Halstead district in 1844 and a George HESTLER in 1848. No precise match on HESLER. I didn't find anything for Susannah - the closest match was a Susan Hasler in Epping in 1845, unlikely to be the same person. (There were three people called Susan Hasler living in the Epping district in 1841) Had you considered the possibility that Susannah could have remarried? I found a marriage for Susannah HASLER and Samuel Henry James in Chelmsford in 1848. Angelika On 26/07/11 15:57, G ROBSON wrote: > Wonder if anyone can help me find the death of George and Susannah HESLER. > Susannah nee HALE was born around 1818 in Sible Hedingham . George was born > around 1821 in Sible Hedingham. They are in the 1841 Census but in the 1851 > Census there  2 children William and Sarah were been looked after by their > Grandmother Elizabeth HESLER. It looks as though George and Susannah may have > both died young. Any help will be appreciated. > George Robson > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin[email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Using the search function on Findmypast I found the death of a George HASLER in the Halstead district in 1844 and a George HESTLER in 1848. No precise match on HESLER. I didn't find anything for Susannah - the closest match was a Susan Hasler in Epping in 1845, unlikely to be the same person. (There were three people called Susan Hasler living in the Epping district in 1841) Had you considered the possibility that Susannah could have remarried? I found a marriage for Susannah HASLER and Samuel Henry James in Chelmsford in 1848. Angelika On 26/07/11 15:57, G ROBSON wrote: > Wonder if anyone can help me find the death of George and Susannah HESLER. > Susannah nee HALE was born around 1818 in Sible Hedingham . George was born > around 1821 in Sible Hedingham. They are in the 1841 Census but in the 1851 > Census there 2 children William and Sarah were been looked after by their > Grandmother Elizabeth HESLER. It looks as though George and Susannah may have > both died young. Any help will be appreciated. > George Robson > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wonder if anyone can help me find the death of George and Susannah HESLER.  Susannah nee HALE was born around 1818 in Sible Hedingham . George was born around 1821 in Sible Hedingham. They are in the 1841 Census but in the 1851 Census there  2 children William and Sarah were been looked after by their Grandmother Elizabeth HESLER. It looks as though George and Susannah may have both died young. Any help will be appreciated. George Robson

For 1901, if you search for an Arthur Hesford in Rochford you'll find the first page for the workhouse. For 1911, if you search for a Harry Golby in Rochford, again this will give you the first page of the workhouse. On 24 July 2011 12:58, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been trying to do an address search for the Rochford Union on both > the 1901 and 1911 census using Findmy past. To date I have been > unsuccessful. > Any advice please. > > Dave > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been trying to do an address search for the Rochford Union on both the 1901 and 1911 census using Findmy past. To date I have been unsuccessful. Any advice please.   Dave

I am looking for the birth of Susan Sadler abt 1781. She married William Bolton dissenting Baptist minister 1802 in Little Clacton by Licence so she may be younger.I have the licence bond but it doesn't give parents names. Wondered if anybody has SADLER in their tree. regards Jean