Hi David, When I google <pictures of tendring church> (without the brackets) it comes up with quite a few results. These were the first two... http://www.flickr.com/photos/celpelly/tags/tendring/ http://essexchurches.co.uk/church.asp?p=Tendring They seem to have quite a few nice photos of the interior and exterior of the church. Also, a little further down the google results page... http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemetery.php?cemetery=116&limit=1 I don't know how comprehensive that website it is, but it doesn't list any VESEYs at Tendring. Perhaps as suggested earlier they were at different church within the Tendring registration district? You might be able to use that website to find them though. Regards, Jan ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:33:37 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Ess] Tendring > > Anyone on the List live near Tendring? > Would like a nice photo of the churchyard and Church. > Anything on Google not great. > Have ancestors* buried there in mid 19thC. Unable > to find any info as to whether gravestones still standing. > Any help or advice greatly appreciated. > > David Vesey -Toronto Canada > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > *Almost certain buried Tendring > Deaths MarQ 1866 - Vesey John 75 Tendring > Deaths MarQ1869 - Vesey Mary 71 Tendring > Deaths MarQ 1874 - Vesey Elizabeth 74 Tendering > > > Presume buried Tendring? > Richard Vesey abt age 41 in 1755 > John Vesey abt age 52 in abt 1802 > > All b.Tendring- not there in 1841 Census > James b.1791/Sarah b1793/Antony b.1794) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't help with photos, but you may find that since Tendring is a district as well as a village a recording of a name for Tendring in the deaths may not necessarily mean a burial in the village. I have an interest in Wix which is in Tendring district and there are some Vesseys, Veseys and Veaseys there from 17th century. Antony Anyone on the List live near Tendring? Would like a nice photo of the churchyard and Church. Anything on Google not great. Have ancestors* buried there in mid 19thC. Unable to find any info as to whether gravestones still standing. Any help or advice greatly appreciated. David Vesey -Toronto Canada - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *Almost certain buried Tendring Deaths MarQ 1866 - Vesey John 75 Tendring Deaths MarQ1869 - Vesey Mary 71 Tendring Deaths MarQ 1874 - Vesey Elizabeth 74 Tendering Presume buried Tendring? Richard Vesey abt age 41 in 1755 John Vesey abt age 52 in abt 1802 All b.Tendring- not there in 1841 Census James b.1791/Sarah b1793/Antony b.1794)

Anyone on the List live near Tendring? Would like a nice photo of the churchyard and Church. Anything on Google not great. Have ancestors* buried there in mid 19thC. Unable to find any info as to whether gravestones still standing. Any help or advice greatly appreciated. David Vesey -Toronto Canada - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *Almost certain buried Tendring Deaths MarQ 1866 - Vesey John 75 Tendring Deaths MarQ1869 - Vesey Mary 71 Tendring Deaths MarQ 1874 - Vesey Elizabeth 74 Tendering Presume buried Tendring? Richard Vesey abt age 41 in 1755 John Vesey abt age 52 in abt 1802 All b.Tendring- not there in 1841 Census James b.1791/Sarah b1793/Antony b.1794)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: [Ess] Surname MEAD > Hi Folks, > > I am a newbie to your list and thought I would post my interest > for this county in case anyone has a connection or could offer > some help. > > I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of > Burntwood or Brentwood. He is the son of James Mead and > Margaret (surname unknown). Unfortunately what I know of him > is not a lot except that he was sentenced at Chelmsford in 1831 > for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, > Australia for 7 years. He later married and died here. On won > records it is stated that he was from Brentwood but when I > ordered the film in I could not find him. Then recently I > found his obituary in one of the papers for NSW and it states > he was from Burntwood. > > Could SKS please have a look in the Parish Registers for > Burntwood to see if he is recorded with his parents and any > siblings. Unfortunately I don’t know when and where the > parents married so I have hit a brick wall with this one. It > has taken me 21 years to get this much on him. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Hi Sharon Samuel MEAD per Portland (1) has been claimed on http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html Cant find any ref in the Trove newspapers or in http://members.webone.com.au/~sgrieves/deaths_yass_courier_page_2.htm He didn't leave a will. Its quite unusual to have the death of a former convict indexed with names of parents . Far more common to have just name and age, but anything's possible ........ Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast Australia

I would like to a cknowledge the incredible research that Roma Chatt manage to uncover for my FISK families in the records of the Brentwood Lunatic Asylum. Her help and information will be invaluable to my research into the medical side of this family. Shirley O'Donnell Florida

Hi Folks, I am a newbie to your list and thought I would post my interest for this county in case anyone has a connection or could offer some help. I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of Burntwood or Brentwood. He is the son of James Mead and Margaret (surname unknown). Unfortunately what I know of him is not a lot except that he was sentenced at Chelmsford in 1831 for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, Australia for 7 years. He later married and died here. On won records it is stated that he was from Brentwood but when I ordered the film in I could not find him. Then recently I found his obituary in one of the papers for NSW and it states he was from Burntwood. Could SKS please have a look in the Parish Registers for Burntwood to see if he is recorded with his parents and any siblings. Unfortunately I don’t know when and where the parents married so I have hit a brick wall with this one. It has taken me 21 years to get this much on him. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards Sharon Kirby Rockhampton, Qld, Australia

Hello Sharon, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> > On 2011/07/31 08:09, Sharon wrote: > >> I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of Burntwood or >> Brentwood. He is the son of James Mead and Margaret (surname unknown). >> Unfortunately what I know of him is not a lot except that he was sentenced at >> Chelmsford in 1831 for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, >> Australia for 7 years. He later married and died here. On won records it is >> stated that he was from Brentwood but when I ordered the film in I could not >> find him. Then recently I found his obituary in one of the papers for NSW >> and it states he was from Burntwood. > > I think you'll find that Burntwood is the much earlier, former name for > Brentwood. They are the same physical place. > > -- > Regards,> Mike Fry> Johannesburg (ex:Billericay) There is also, to add to the confusion, at least one other Burntwood, in Staffordshire - see http://www.bfhg.org.uk/Z-Burntwood.php . In fact http://gazetteer.dracos.vm.bytemark.co.uk/search?q=burntwood gives a.. Burntwood, Staffordshire b.. Burntwood, Oxfordshire c.. Burntwood Craig, Angus d.. Burntwood Fm, Hampshire e.. Burntwood Grange, Doncaster f.. Burntwood Green, Staffordshire g.. Burntwood Hall, Barnsley h.. Burntwood Pentre, Flintshire But only one Brentwood, that in Essex. Have you tried Nonconformist records for a Baptism? Regards, John Henley

On 2011/07/31 08:09, Sharon wrote: > I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of Burntwood or > Brentwood. He is the son of James Mead and Margaret (surname unknown). > Unfortunately what I know of him is not a lot except that he was sentenced at > Chelmsford in 1831 for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, > Australia for 7 years. He later married and died here. On won records it is > stated that he was from Brentwood but when I ordered the film in I could not > find him. Then recently I found his obituary in one of the papers for NSW > and it states he was from Burntwood. I think you'll find that Burntwood is the much earlier, former name for Brentwood. They are the same physical place. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (ex:Billericay)

Have you checked your unusual names against those entered in the register of one name studies www.one-name.org Should your contacts prove to be negative perhaps you could consider helping those one name studies by providing whatever information you have in case it allows links to be established with other interested parties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ess] Surname MEAD > On 2011/07/31 08:09, Sharon wrote: > >> I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of Burntwood or >> Brentwood. He is the son of James Mead and Margaret (surname unknown). >> Unfortunately what I know of him is not a lot except that he was >> sentenced at >> Chelmsford in 1831 for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, >> Australia for 7 years. He later married and died here. On won records >> it is >> stated that he was from Brentwood but when I ordered the film in I could >> not >> find him. Then recently I found his obituary in one of the papers for >> NSW >> and it states he was from Burntwood. > > I think you'll find that Burntwood is the much earlier, former name for > Brentwood. They are the same physical place. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg (ex:Billericay) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: [email protected] To: Brad Rogers <[email protected]>; Essex ML <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Ess] Apology Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:02:41 +0100 Then a while afterwards found her birth certificate which said Ellen as her Christian name ,so back i went to put it right And this is what i was told Once it was in the registry it could not be changed ,but in the margin would be wrote ,error ,wrong information given then the correct name written down . Doris ===================================== This is the area in which you usually see a diagonal line in (or beyond) the last column. If there are no amendments to the information then the diagonal line is there. If information has been changed, it is written beside the entry and when you apply for a copy certificate the changed info is provided instead of the diagonal line. DaveD

I am trying to trace Bertram Alan WEARING, son of Jane WEARING and unknown, who was born 26 February 1902 at Enstone Oxfordshire. He possibly lived in the Ipswich area of Suffolk. Hence my request for help to the Suffolk list. Bertram's mother Jane was a sister to my paternal grandfather. This is what I know about Bertram: 1911 Census lists Bertram and his mother Jane staying with Bertram's grandparents Thomas and Sally WEARING in Enstone Oxfordshire. Bertram was a seaman in the Royal Navy during WW1, for there is a medal card for him. Bertram married Sylvia M. M. KEITH in 1928 in Malta. The marriage was recorded in the Army Chaplins Register of Marriages in Malta. Sylvia arrived in the UK with daughter Barbara, 2 years old, in April 1932 aboard the Barabool coming out of Sydney, Australia. They were going to Duke Street, Hintlesham, Suffolk, near Ipswich. (I have no proof that this is the Sylvia that Bertram married in Malta). There is a Barbara M. WEARING who was born in Malta in 1929. I have a copy of a death certificate for a Bertram Allen WEARING (different spelling of Alan), who died in 1966 at age 64 (Registration District: Ipswich, Suffolk, Volume 4b, page 1141). The certificate states that he died 18 March 1966 at the Ipswich and East Suffolk Hosital, Anglsea Road Wing, Ipswich. He lived at 16 Deben Way, Felixstowe, and was a retired Flight Lieutenant, Royal Air Force. The cause of death was Cerebral Thrombosis b. Hypertension.The informant was Barbara M. BEARE, daughter, who was present at the death. She was then living at 155, Sunnymead Drive, Waterlooville, near Portsmouth. (So I assume that this Barbara was the daughter of Sylvia who travelled from Australia in 1932. (I have no proof that this is my relative). I would be interested to hear how I might connect the Bertram Alan WEARING who was born at Enstone in 1902 with the Bertram Allen WEARING who died at age 64 in Ipswich in 1966. I would think that the age and similarity of the somewhat unusual name would indicate that this is likely the same person. Any help much appreciated. Mike Wearing, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi, I found the following marriage on Boyds marriage index, maybe a longshot.   James Mead Margaret Foster 1802 Manchester, Lancashire.     --- On Sun, 31/7/11, Sharon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sharon <[email protected]> Subject: [Ess] Surname MEAD To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 31 July, 2011, 7:09 Hi Folks, I am a newbie to your list and thought I would post my interest for this county in case anyone has a connection or could offer some help. I am looking for a Samuel MEAD/E born abt 1810 possibly of Burntwood or Brentwood.  He is the son of James Mead and Margaret (surname unknown).  Unfortunately what I know of him is not a lot except that he was sentenced at Chelmsford in 1831 for stealing some geese and he was transported to NSW, Australia for 7 years.  He later married and died here.  On won records it is stated that he was from Brentwood but when I ordered the film in I could not find him.  Then recently I found his obituary in one of the papers for NSW and it states he was from Burntwood.  Could SKS please have a look in the Parish Registers for Burntwood to see if he is recorded with his parents and any siblings.  Unfortunately I don’t know when and where the parents married so I have hit a brick wall with this one.  It has taken me 21 years to get this much on him. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards Sharon Kirby Rockhampton, Qld, Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi ,have read about spelling and so forth . This is what happened to me My fathers sister died (my father could not help he had died before her )my middle name i thought was after his sister (did not have her birth certificate at the time ) so told the details to the registrar ,saying her first names was Eleanor Then a while afterwards found her birth certificate which said Ellen as her Christian name ,so back i went to put it right And this is what i was told Once it was in the registry it could not be changed ,but in the margin would be wrote ,error ,wrong information given then the correct name written down . Doris -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:09 PM To: Essex ML Subject: Re: [Ess] Apology On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:37:29 +0100 Jan R <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Jan, > I'd just like to add that the situation is still the same today... Exactly. My brother even spelt our mother's name incorrectly for her death certificate. He did notice it, but not until after the original entry was made, and one or two companies (read: banks) refused to accept that the person named on the cert was the person whose account it was we were trying to close. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane Nightrain - Guns 'N' Roses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will be going to see my parents (who live in Felsted) next week. I'm happy to see what I can find, if you can wait that long. Heather On 29/07/2011 14:47, Helen Carter wrote: > Hoping there is someone on the list at or near Felsted who can take a photo for me > > Basil Charles POWNALL vicar of Felsted 1934 till his death in 1946, he was buried at Felstead, hoping someone can take a photo of his grave or a possible memorial plaque in the church > > Helen > West Australia

Dear Rob, I hope that this is of help. The Chelmsford Chronicle for March 16th 1798 reports; “at our Assizes, which ended on Friday last (9th) …………………Sam.James the Younger , for stealing a £10 bank note and six shillings out of a bureau………. Death recorded.” He was not left for execution by the Judge (Baron Hotham?) so the likelihood was that he was transported, either to Van Diemens Land, to other parts of Australia, or to Bermuda. The value of being in a family history society is often there are links in Australia you can ask for help. Further research at the National Archive might be useful. ASSI contains most indictments at Assizes (on velum) and you might find the place of offence. CO also contains lists of convicts on their way to transportation. Hulks like Justicia and Censor also held prisoners for years before they were transported, some even found jobs on board the hulks. If I go to the Essex Record Office within the next week I will have a look for the 1797 Assize. Fred Feather, Editor The Essex Family Historian. _____ From: Rob Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 28 July 2011 23:48 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Ess] Gaol calendars Heather, That's a very kind offer. The people that I am interested in are: 1. Simon MOULDS (or MOULD/MOLD/MOLE) who was tried at the Essex Chelmsford Assizes on the 8th or 9th of March 1797. 2. Samuel JAMES who was committed on 27th Nov 1797 and believed to have been tried at the Essex Lent Assizes 1798. Thank you very much. Regards, Rob Dickinson > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Ess] Gaol calendars > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:17:35 +0100 > > If you give us the name of the prisoner/s my husband will see if he has any > records for him/them. > > Heather > ESFH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 27 July 2011 13:14 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Ess] Gaol calendars > > Hello, > Can anyone advise me on how and where to find gaol calendars? I am > particularly interested in a man who was tried at the Chelmsford Assizes in > 1797 and another who was tried at the Lent Assizes in 1798. > I notice from searching Seax on the Essex County Council's website (record > office page) that they hold session books for these periods and that these > contain calendars of prisoners, but it is not clear to me whether these are > comprehensive. > Many thanks. > > Regards,Rob Dickinson > > > >

Hoping there is someone on the list at or near Felsted who can take a photo for me   Basil Charles POWNALL vicar of Felsted 1934 till his death in 1946, he was buried at Felstead, hoping someone can take a photo of his grave or a possible memorial plaque in the church   Helen West Australia 

most inmates would usually be mentioned by initials only ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: [Ess] Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > > > > > > Rosetta Ann Fisk nee Jarvis b. c. 1835 Rainham, Essex. She is in Blue > Houses Rainham from 1841 - 1881. She married Henry Fisk in 1861 he dies > 1889 r. Billericay, Essex. > > > > I can't find her for 1891 but in 1901 she turns up in the Brentwoood > Lunatic Asylum (can't think of a PC name for it, although I know where it > is) as R.A Fisk. > > > > I am trying to find her in the 1911 census (Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > possibly) but I can't find her no matter what computation I put in. I > thought the address search would be helpful but can't figure out that > computation either. I can't find her in any other location. > > > > Does anyone have an ancestor who is there for 1911 that I could piggy back > from? Then I can troll the whole census. > > > > She dies in 1920 in Billericay registration district. Could that be the > Asylum? > > > > I have not purchased her death certificate so can't confirm the death > details in 1920. > > > > Thanks, > > Shirley in Florida > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyones advise about the intials for the 191 1 census,  I entered F,  (Fisk), R (rosetta) & found my Ro setta. A ll other facts fit. Thanks to all the sleuths for your help! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Selman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:04:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Brentwood Lunatic Asylum I think I've found her in 1911 in Essex County Lunatic Asylum, Brentwood. She, as well as most of the other patients, was only recorded by her initials.  Search for First Name = R, Last Name = F with the Place of Residence = South Weald.  Although she's described as married rather than widowed, the other details (Field Worker born in Rainham aged 75) fits with the 1901 information.  The Asylum was in Billericay Registration District. On 28 July 2011 18:29, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Rosetta Ann Fisk nee Jarvis b. c. 1835 Rainham, Essex. She is in Blue > Houses Rainham from 1841 - 1881. She married Henry Fisk in 1861 he dies 1889 > r. Billericay, Essex. > > > > I can't find her for 1891 but in 1901 she turns up in the > Brentwoood Lunatic Asylum (can't think of a PC name for it, although I know > where it is) as R.A Fisk. > > > > I am trying to find her in the 1911 census (Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > possibly) but I can't find her no matter what computation I put in. I > thought the address search would be helpful but can't figure out that > computation either. I can't find her in any other location. > > > > Does anyone have an ancestor who is there for 1911 that I could piggy back > from? Then I can troll the whole census. > > > > She dies in 1920 in Billericay registration district. Could that be the > Asylum? > > > > I have not purchased her death certificate so can't confirm the death > details in 1920. > > > > Thanks, > > Shirley in Florida > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I've found her in 1911 in Essex County Lunatic Asylum, Brentwood. She, as well as most of the other patients, was only recorded by her initials. Search for First Name = R, Last Name = F with the Place of Residence = South Weald. Although she's described as married rather than widowed, the other details (Field Worker born in Rainham aged 75) fits with the 1901 information. The Asylum was in Billericay Registration District. On 28 July 2011 18:29, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Rosetta Ann Fisk nee Jarvis b. c. 1835 Rainham, Essex. She is in Blue > Houses Rainham from 1841 - 1881. She married Henry Fisk in 1861 he dies 1889 > r. Billericay, Essex. > > > > I can't find her for 1891 but in 1901 she turns up in the > Brentwoood Lunatic Asylum (can't think of a PC name for it, although I know > where it is) as R.A Fisk. > > > > I am trying to find her in the 1911 census (Brentwood Lunatic Asylum > possibly) but I can't find her no matter what computation I put in. I > thought the address search would be helpful but can't figure out that > computation either. I can't find her in any other location. > > > > Does anyone have an ancestor who is there for 1911 that I could piggy back > from? Then I can troll the whole census. > > > > She dies in 1920 in Billericay registration district. Could that be the > Asylum? > > > > I have not purchased her death certificate so can't confirm the death > details in 1920. > > > > Thanks, > > Shirley in Florida > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rosetta Ann Fisk nee Jarvis b. c. 1835 Rainham, Essex. She is in Blue Houses Rainham from 1841 - 1881. She married Henry Fisk in 1861 he dies 1889 r. Billericay, Essex.   I can't find her for 1891 but in 1901 she turns up in the Brentwoood Lunatic Asylum (can't think of a PC name for it, although I know where it is) as R.A Fisk.    I am trying to find her in the 1911 census (Brentwood Lunatic Asylum possibly) but I can't find her no matter what computation I put in. I thought the address search would be helpful but can't figure out that computation either. I can't find her in any other location.   Does anyone have an ancestor who is there for 1911 that I could piggy back from? Then I can troll the whole census.   She dies in 1920 in Billericay registration district. Could that be the Asylum?    I have not purchased her death certificate so can't confirm the death details in 1920.   Thanks, Shirley in Florida