I am writing to see if if EVE LANGFORD is still on the list. If you are Eve, you e-mailed about 5 years ago regarding the Hay family. Could you get in touch again as there is someone else interested in the family as well. Thanks Caron

Judy, I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records got lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and was working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or work premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a boy sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census record. The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of him in later life. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] Cc: 'Jenny' Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP One source of the death information appears to be here http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 But the footnoted reference is puzzling. In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in the surname. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. Many thanks In hope.....Jenny

Hello Jenny, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny" <[email protected]> > I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... > > Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex > Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP > 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. > Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years > > ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please > > double check me incase I have done something wrong.> > Many thanks> > In hope.....Jenny As others have said, it looks very much as if he go lost on the way to GRO indexes, and the local register office would be your next port of call. But you could also check out local cemeteries: it appears his grandfather was buried in the City of London Cemetery at Ilford, which would be a good starting point - see http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Community_and_living/Deaths_funerals_and_cremations/Cemetery_and_crematorium/ for others see http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/area/cemeteries/redbridge/ and http://www.forestparkcrematorium.co.uk/codeofpractice.html (this company look after all of the borough's cemeteries: all enquiries are dealt with at Forest park). You might care to note that in 1891 Ancestry have your family indexed under KRAAPP. Kind Regards, John Henley

Hello Listers I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. Many thanks In hope.....Jenny

One source of the death information appears to be here http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 But the footnoted reference is puzzling. In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in the surname. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. Many thanks In hope.....Jenny

Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in the surname. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP Hello Listers I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. Many thanks In hope.....Jenny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jenny, I can't find it either. There is a small probability that it was not reported by the local registrar and therefore didn't get on the GRO index. If you are certain that he died on 1/1/1882 then it might be worth contacting the local registration office to see if they can find the death registration. Gerry On 28 Sep 2011, at 05:46, Jenny wrote: > Hello Listers > > I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles Valentine KNAPP..... > > Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex > Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP > 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove Terrace, Romford, Ilford. > Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years > > ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, could some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. > > Many thanks > > In hope.....Jenny > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caron, Saw this post and thought would let you know that my husband has a Thomas Hay in tree married to a Emily Lazzam - by an off chance would you link to this? Just a thought. Ingrid -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Caron and Roy Sent: 28 September 2011 07:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Harriet Hay I am writing to see if if EVE LANGFORD is still on the list. If you are Eve, you e-mailed about 5 years ago regarding the Hay family. Could you get in touch again as there is someone else interested in the family as well. Thanks Caron ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for a marriage record between William GALLEY, b. 1818 @ Great Leighs, and Sarah Ann (surname unknown), b. 1825 @ Woodham Walter. They were likely married in Great Leighs, as their first child, William, was born abt. February, 1851 @ Great Leighs. I am seeking Sarah Ann's surname, and the name of William's father. Thanks in advance... Dennis Galley

There is only one Jeremiah in the National Archives Catalogue but he may have been too early born about 1778 You might try familysearch though PhilipMaddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: [Ess] Essex Military Records > Hi > My ancestors , the James family, lived for many years in Little Clacton > Essex. > Although I have found most of the records in the St James parish records, > and have confirmed them in the official records from the GRO I have been > unable to find a marriage for Jeremiah James and Clara Elizabeth (Bessie) > Duggan, who married around 1875. When their first child, Jeremiah James is > baptised in 1876, the father Jeremiah is listed as a soldier. Bessie’s > background is Irish, although in the various census, she gives a number of > different places in England as her birthplace.The family story is that she > was born at sea. Anyway, I am wondering if perhaps they were married > outside of the country. I believe permission to be married had to be > granted by the regiment. > > My questions are: what regiment was Jeremiah likely to belong to? Where > would these records be found? > > Thanks for any input. > > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

East Anglia is a hotbed of both Barnard and Bernard families, so I want to give notice of our Barnard_Bernard Y-DNA project with Family Tree DNA. The project has the aim of uniting Barnards worldwide who are interested in discovering the origins of their families and uniting members who have common ancestors so that they may compare their paper research to the benefit of each. Only males bearing the Barnard, Bernard, or a close variant can be tested. Females may take part by persuading a male relative to be tested, and we have several females in our project. The test itself is painless and consists of two swabs which are mailed by the testing company, in our case Family Tree DNA. The swabs are simply rubbed on the inside of the cheek which connects enough DNA for testing purposes. The DNA is taken from a segment of the Y- chromosome which is considered a 'garbage' area by many scientists, but not genetics people. There is nothing to suggest family traits or pre disposal to diseases etc. All it does is show whether or not two or more males are related and have a common ancestor in the last several centuries. When the test is complete it is simply mailed back to FTDNA. You can find more information at <file:///www.barnarddna.dranrab.com>www.barnarddna.dranrab.com If you are interested I would be happy to any questions regarding our Barnard_Bernard project, and I can be reached at <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] Thank you for reading this message. Alan Barnard (Volunteer administrator of the Barnard_Bernard Y-DNA Surname Project)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Elaine From: suffolksue Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:29 AM To: Elaine Robinson Subject: Re: [Ess] Essex Military Records The marriage is on Ancestry in the new Irish collection and took place in Ireland. Ireland Civil Reg Marriage Index Jeremiah James Elizabeth Duggan 1875 Youghal Vol 14 Page 458 regards Sue --- On Fri, 23/9/11, Elaine Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Elaine Robinson <[email protected]> Subject: [Ess] Essex Military Records To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 23 September, 2011, 15:20 Hi My ancestors , the James family, lived for many years in Little Clacton Essex. Although I have found most of the records in the St James parish records, and have confirmed them in the official records from the GRO I have been unable to find a marriage for Jeremiah James and Clara Elizabeth (Bessie) Duggan, who married around 1875. When their first child, Jeremiah James is baptised in 1876, the father Jeremiah is listed as a soldier. Bessie’s background is Irish, although in the various census, she gives a number of different places in England as her birthplace.The family story is that she was born at sea. Anyway, I am wondering if perhaps they were married outside of the country. I believe permission to be married had to be granted by the regiment. My questions are: what regiment was Jeremiah likely to belong to? Where would these records be found? Thanks for any input. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi My ancestors , the James family, lived for many years in Little Clacton Essex. Although I have found most of the records in the St James parish records, and have confirmed them in the official records from the GRO I have been unable to find a marriage for Jeremiah James and Clara Elizabeth (Bessie) Duggan, who married around 1875. When their first child, Jeremiah James is baptised in 1876, the father Jeremiah is listed as a soldier. Bessie’s background is Irish, although in the various census, she gives a number of different places in England as her birthplace.The family story is that she was born at sea. Anyway, I am wondering if perhaps they were married outside of the country. I believe permission to be married had to be granted by the regiment. My questions are: what regiment was Jeremiah likely to belong to? Where would these records be found? Thanks for any input. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario

East Anglia is a prolific area for bearers of the Barnard and Bernard surnames which are often found interchanged over time. The recently formed Barnard_Bernard Surname DNA Project is dedicated to connecting researchers interested in the surnames Barnard, Bernard or close derivatives all over the world in order to look for connections between hitherto unknown cousins so that they may benefit in being able to compare their paper research. The testing company we use is Family Tree DNA which is probably the largest organisation of its kind. The test itself is very easy and painless, and consists of rubbing cotton swabs or plastic swabs on the inside of the cheek. As the test is done on part of the Y-chromosome, only males bearing the surname can take the test. However females or others interested in the name can take part in the project by persuading a male relative to take the test and perhaps share the cost. We have already found matches between members of our group who were able to connect and compare their research. In each case one or both profited by discovering more about their heritage. I am the volunteer administrator of the group and would be pleased to hear from anyone that would like more information. Please email me at [email protected]

Many thanks Pauline for your prompt response to me posting. It is appreciated.   Also thanks for the link.   It was also interesting to read what you had to say in relation to BARLTROP.   My research goes back to the early 1800s with BARLTROP but will have to take a backseat for the next three weeks.   Thanks again   Regards Wal From: Pauline Denmark <[email protected]> To: 'Wal Towells' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [Ess] Takeley Parish If you check the Holy Trinity Church web site you will find the registers of Takeley and Little Canfield have been transcribed and put on the site. The following is the link.  http://holytrinitytakeley.moonfruit.com/ I remember a Miss Barltrop used to run the post office from her cottage in the village and I seem to remember that somewhere (maybe the children's playground behind the village hall) there was a seat dedicated to a Barltrop. I bought a house in Takeley in 1968, and apart from a two and a half year period in Zambia, lived in the village until 2007. Hope this is of help in your search. Pauline Denmark Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wal Towells Sent: 22 September 2011 12:46 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Takeley Parish G'day Listers,   I am seeking information from the above Paris by way of the registers for the name of BARLTROP and variances 1780 to 1850.   Many thanks Wal Towells Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you check the Holy Trinity Church web site you will find the registers of Takeley and Little Canfield have been transcribed and put on the site. The following is the link. http://holytrinitytakeley.moonfruit.com/ I remember a Miss Barltrop used to run the post office from her cottage in the village and I seem to remember that somewhere (maybe the children's playground behind the village hall) there was a seat dedicated to a Barltrop. I bought a house in Takeley in 1968, and apart from a two and a half year period in Zambia, lived in the village until 2007. Hope this is of help in your search. Pauline Denmark Wiltshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wal Towells Sent: 22 September 2011 12:46 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ess] Takeley Parish G'day Listers,   I am seeking information from the above Paris by way of the registers for the name of BARLTROP and variances 1780 to 1850.   Many thanks Wal Towells Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Listers,   I am seeking information from the above Paris by way of the registers for the name of BARLTROP and variances 1780 to 1850.   Many thanks Wal Towells Australia

Does that mean that everyone will have to pay - I download a lot to work on NBI entries as I am sure many others do? Jo

A big thank you to Ingrid, Cornelia and Stephanie who have kindly given me so much help regarding sites for Netherlands ancestors. Thank you, Essex ladies! Colleen

Hi All I thought ERO were puting up all the registers 31 August as a pay as you go??? but I cannot find them, maybe I am just thick?? Eve Ferguson