Hello Can anyone tell me please if you needed to serve an apprenticeship to be an umbrella maker & if so, where could I possibly find records of this Thanks Teri ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18460) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hello All, I often see entries in baptism registers here in Ireland that has details of a marriage later in life.(obv) This is entered when a "letter of freedom" is sought to show the PP has no record of the person previously marrying.   I thought someone might find it of use in time.   Slán, Kevin.   Togher Co Louth    04-12-1882,Campbell,Anne,Hitchestown,Parents Campbell,John & Nugent,Brigid sponsors James, Crilly & Catherine, Crilly,,/ married 27-08-1913 St Paul's Ilford Essex/   http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/

Hi Teri Apprenticeship was the standard route of entry to all trades and crafts well into the 20th century. However, with a few exceptions (see below), apprenticeships were private matters between the master and his apprentice and/or the apprentice's parents, so no public records exist. The exceptions are: Trades carried on within the City of London which were regulated by the City Companies (formerly Guilds). The majority of these ceased to be more than ceremonial/political in nature (and thus only for the great and good) between the 17th and early 19th centuries. Apprenticeships which were arranged by parish authorities for children under their care. Records for these may be found in the relevant parish records. Between 1710 and 1804 a tax was levied on apprenticeships, thus creating a public record of them. These records are not, alas, comprehensive, as there were a number of exemptions to the tax which, naturally, were taken full advantage of. For more information, go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/apprenticeship-re cords.htm. Hope this helps Caroline > > Hello > > Can anyone tell me please if you needed to serve an apprenticeship to > be an > umbrella maker & if so, where could I possibly find records of this > > Thanks > Teri > > >

Hi I wonder is some kind person could do a look up for me at the Essex Records Offices for the following address that I have extracted from a recently purchased Will? I am trying to identify the ancestors of a mentioned female cousin who was a beneficiary? 1982 date of Will and then 1983 date of death and probate for: 18 Upper Bridge Road, Chelmsford, Essex. CM2 0RT. Kindest regards Jim North France.

Hello List,   I research the Essex PEASEs, and have done for a long time - about 50 years now. Before the digital age it was difficult, however the internet has made things so much better, and the brilliant Essex Record Office and SEAX site makes it better still.   Some years ago I discovered the American branch of the Essex PEASEs and made contact with some of them. The majority of them descend from two PEASE brothers who emigrated from Great Baddow, via Ipswich in the early 1600s. Last year an American descendant came to Essex and I along with a number of English PEASEs with Essex roots met up together in Great Baddow, DNA samples were taken of one English person with proven Essex PEASE descent, and subsequent testing confirmed that the American PEASEs and the English branch were related. I have a number of databases of PEASEs many of them with London area links and welcome anyone on this List who has a PEASE in their family to contact me.   About 2004 SEAX threw up a very interesting item, namely that further information on the PEASEs could be obtained from the National Archive (Kew)'s Ancient Document Collection. A few trips to Kew provided me with a wealth of info. Needless to say I have been even busier with more research on this family and have now got the Great Baddow PEASE line back to circa 1224  with two generations prior to that; these are a subject of further scrutiny to compare dated evidence of contemporaries of the named, but not exactly dated PEASEs. Whilst more work has to be done, I am slowly putting together a wealth of evidence on this big family with a view to producing a written document on my findings in, hopefully, the not too distant future.   The really interesting thing, to me, is that this family of PEASES were not in the least bit posh, although some were aspirational, and canny, and clearly seemed to have had a strong sense of their own worth and identity.   My own interest in this family is my late sister's husband and my nephew, whose ancestors emigrated to London and its environs from Billericay and whose direct line via Rayleigh, Rawreth, Hatfield Peveral, Colchester and surrounding parishes goes back to Layer-de-la-Haye, where I am, at the moment, stuck on Thomas PEASE, who witnessed the marriage of his son in 1761 at LDLH, the son Thomas PEASE was born somewhere circa 1740 and died by 1816 when Probate occured. There are Quaker and strong non-conformist links as well, and the proven GB line had Quaker members in Earls Colne, and my line had a family story about Quakers.   My planned annual trip to Chelmsford will hopefully unravel some more kinks. I welcome questions and queries and look forward to making new PEASE links.   Thank you.   rita a GERRARD 

Hello Listers, Yesterday I booked a trip to Essex in November and whilst checking the openings for the Essex Society for Family History's Research Rooms discovered that ERO is closed from Monday 28 November to Saturday 10 December inclusive. This is in addtion to the normal Christmas closure of Monday 26 to Wednesday 28 December inclusive.   Just in case anyone else is planning a trip, hope it helps.       rita GERRARD 

Thanks Renee, but I am not the person who asked the question. Hopefully, Sharon <[email protected]>, the original poster, will see this and contact you. Anne Renee Redshaw wrote: > Dear Ann, > > Have searched TheGenealogist Non-Com 4 pages up to 1826 and no Samuel > Mead 1810 - however I have discovered a baptism of 13th December 1810, > Brentwood. Contact me. > > Renee Oz. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Ann, Have searched TheGenealogist Non-Com 4 pages up to 1826 and no Samuel Mead 1810 - however I have discovered a baptism of 13th December 1810, Brentwood. Contact me. Renee Oz.

http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/moreinfo.php#nonconformist has a large number of non-conformist records - unfortunately, you have to be a subscriber even to search but ISTR they once gave me a trial sub for two weeks when I emailed them to say I was not going to subscribe until I knew that there were records there that I wanted. Might be worth a try Anne South Australia Sharon wrote: > Hi folks, > > A few weeks ago I posted an e-mail with regards to my Samuel Mead and had quite a few responses back which I thank you for. I have ordered in a film for Brentwood where he was suppose to be from but discovered he was not on the said film. Then I discovered that South Weald also recorded some births/baptism for Brentwood, however when I went to order in a film for a Congregational Church in the said Parish/es the film turns out to be restricted. So I then contacted the Essex County Record Office and they weren’t able to help me too much. A suggestion was made that maybe Kew might hold non-conformist records for Essex. Can someone please enlighten me if this is so. I need to some how get a look at the said baptism for Samuel in 1810 on a non-conformist list. Any other suggestions in finding this elusive ancestor will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Sharon Kirby > Rockhampton, Qld, Australia

Hi folks, A few weeks ago I posted an e-mail with regards to my Samuel Mead and had quite a few responses back which I thank you for. I have ordered in a film for Brentwood where he was suppose to be from but discovered he was not on the said film. Then I discovered that South Weald also recorded some births/baptism for Brentwood, however when I went to order in a film for a Congregational Church in the said Parish/es the film turns out to be restricted. So I then contacted the Essex County Record Office and they weren’t able to help me too much. A suggestion was made that maybe Kew might hold non-conformist records for Essex. Can someone please enlighten me if this is so. I need to some how get a look at the said baptism for Samuel in 1810 on a non-conformist list. Any other suggestions in finding this elusive ancestor will be greatly appreciated. Regards Sharon Kirby Rockhampton, Qld, Australia

thegenealogist's sister site - www.bmdregisters.co.uk - has digitised the records from Kew/The National Archives, and many of them are on the IGI. It is free to search but you have to pay for advanced searches and to download the records. There was a Samuel Mead born/baptised in 1804 in Essex (IGI gives Abbess Roding as place and Thomas Mead as father) but not in 1810. On 3 October 2011 03:16, Anne Chambers <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/moreinfo.php#nonconformist > has a large number of non-conformist records - unfortunately, you have to > be a subscriber even to search but > ISTR they once gave me a trial sub for two weeks when I emailed them to say > I was not going to subscribe until > I knew that there were records there that I wanted. > Might be worth a try > Anne > South Australia > > Sharon wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > A few weeks ago I posted an e-mail with regards to my Samuel Mead and had > quite a few responses back which I thank you for. I have ordered in a film > for Brentwood where he was suppose to be from but discovered he was not on > the said film. Then I discovered that South Weald also recorded some > births/baptism for Brentwood, however when I went to order in a film for a > Congregational Church in the said Parish/es the film turns out to be > restricted. So I then contacted the Essex County Record Office and they > weren’t able to help me too much. A suggestion was made that maybe Kew > might hold non-conformist records for Essex. Can someone please enlighten > me if this is so. I need to some how get a look at the said baptism for > Samuel in 1810 on a non-conformist list. Any other suggestions in finding > this elusive ancestor will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Regards > > > > Sharon Kirby > > Rockhampton, Qld, Australia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anybody out there who had two brothers evacuated to Bargoed in WW11, and stayed with Emily & Tom Jeremiah (daughters Clara and Mavis, sons Albert, Donald & Harry). Regards - Terry

Hi All Please give me a few days and I will get back to you all Eve Hope someone has access to Manuden for me???

I'm in a similar boat. I'm looking for a baptism for George AGER who was supposed to be born about 1800 and lived in Finchingfield and Steeple Bumpstead (but no joy in those parishes for his baptism). If you're doing any general searches, it would be great if you could check for him between about 1798 and 1802? Many thanks Ruth On 2 October 2011 18:25, Gerry Newnham <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Eve, > > I'm afraid my request is very speculative but I am looking for any Mallery > baptisms between about 1808 and 1815, particularly for Frances & George > MALLERY, who may be twins, but were probably born within a couple of years > of each other. > > If you could do a look up for me I would be most grateful. > > Best wishes, > > Gerry > > > On 2 Oct 2011, at 17:33, Eve Ferguson wrote: > > > > > I am very surprised no one has asked for a look up???? > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Essex PR's > >> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 01:15:18 +0000 > >> > >> > >> Hi All > >> I have a few Fiche and a reader. > >> > >> Gt. Waltham C&M 1566-1812 > >> Wimbish CM&B 1666-1755 > >> Hempstead Marriages 1754-1812 > >> Hempstead CM&B 1664-1748 > >> Hempstead C&B 1749-1783 > >> Hempstead B 1813-1872 > >> Radwinter CM&B 1638-1759 > >> Radwinter C&B 1760-1809 > >> Radwinter B 1813-1859 > >> Little Sampford CM&B 1562-1822 > >> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1559-1650 and 1652-1750 > >> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1750-1783 > >> Gt. Sampford B 1813-1879 > >> Gt. Sampford M and Banns 1754-1801 > >> Gt. Sampford C&B 1783-1812 > >> > >> Try to be a little specific with Dates, I will try to do look-ups as fas > as I can. > >> Eve (Canada now) > >> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eve, I'm afraid my request is very speculative but I am looking for any Mallery baptisms between about 1808 and 1815, particularly for Frances & George MALLERY, who may be twins, but were probably born within a couple of years of each other. If you could do a look up for me I would be most grateful. Best wishes, Gerry On 2 Oct 2011, at 17:33, Eve Ferguson wrote: > > I am very surprised no one has asked for a look up???? > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Essex PR's >> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 01:15:18 +0000 >> >> >> Hi All >> I have a few Fiche and a reader. >> >> Gt. Waltham C&M 1566-1812 >> Wimbish CM&B 1666-1755 >> Hempstead Marriages 1754-1812 >> Hempstead CM&B 1664-1748 >> Hempstead C&B 1749-1783 >> Hempstead B 1813-1872 >> Radwinter CM&B 1638-1759 >> Radwinter C&B 1760-1809 >> Radwinter B 1813-1859 >> Little Sampford CM&B 1562-1822 >> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1559-1650 and 1652-1750 >> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1750-1783 >> Gt. Sampford B 1813-1879 >> Gt. Sampford M and Banns 1754-1801 >> Gt. Sampford C&B 1783-1812 >> >> Try to be a little specific with Dates, I will try to do look-ups as fas as I can. >> Eve (Canada now) >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Does any one have easy access to Manuden PR's PLease? I have a Charles Gray bapt. 20/10/1810 there His Parents are William Gray and Sussanah. I would love to have any information on these 2 if you have it. Thanks Eve Ferguson (Canada now)

I am very surprised no one has asked for a look up???? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Essex PR's > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 01:15:18 +0000 > > > Hi All > I have a few Fiche and a reader. > > Gt. Waltham C&M 1566-1812 > Wimbish CM&B 1666-1755 > Hempstead Marriages 1754-1812 > Hempstead CM&B 1664-1748 > Hempstead C&B 1749-1783 > Hempstead B 1813-1872 > Radwinter CM&B 1638-1759 > Radwinter C&B 1760-1809 > Radwinter B 1813-1859 > Little Sampford CM&B 1562-1822 > Gt. Sampford CM&B 1559-1650 and 1652-1750 > Gt. Sampford CM&B 1750-1783 > Gt. Sampford B 1813-1879 > Gt. Sampford M and Banns 1754-1801 > Gt. Sampford C&B 1783-1812 > > Try to be a little specific with Dates, I will try to do look-ups as fas as I can. > Eve (Canada now) > >

it all depends where our ancestors are from. parishes can be very tiny. I have asked once or twice a year for years for look-ups in Lawford, and received only one, with no sources given, and then they never replied back when I requested sources so I could continue on my own, (Lawford is not on line) so look-ups can be successful for some and frustrating for others in both directions (as the volunteer or the requestee.) Cornelia > > I am very surprised no one has asked for a look > up????> > > > >> From: [email protected] > otmail.com>> To: essex-u > [email protected]>> Subject: Essex PR's > >> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 01:15:18 > +0000>> > >> > >> Hi All > >> I have a few Fiche and a reader. > >> > >> Gt. Waltham C&M 1566-1812 > >> Wimbish CM&B 1666-1755 > >> Hempstead Marriages 1754-1812 > >> Hempstead CM&B 1664-1748 > >> Hempstead C&B 1749-1783 > >> Hempstead B 1813-1872 > >> Radwinter CM&B 1638-1759 > >> Radwinter C&B 1760-1809 > >> Radwinter B 1813-1859 > >> Little Sampford CM&B > 1562-1822>> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1559-1650 and > 1652-1750>> Gt. Sampford CM&B 1750-1783 > >> Gt. Sampford B 1813-1879 > >> Gt. Sampford M and Banns > 1754-1801>> Gt. Sampford C&B 1783-1812 > >> > >> Try to be a little specific with Dates, I > will try to do look-ups as fas as I can.>> Eve (Canada now) > >> > >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: E > [email protected]> ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: E > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

marriage in 1895 of Kate Maud KNAPP to either Harry LINCOLN or Charles WACKETT in Romford which should be easyish to resolve at 1901 census Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Maddocks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > or adoption > > Do you know if his father died before 1891 census? there is an Arthur > Wilson KNAPP dying in 1891 Romford > > Philip Maddocks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Gilbey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > > >> Judy, >> >> I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles >> Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records >> got >> lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and >> was >> working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is >> almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or >> work >> premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed >> from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a >> boy >> sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census >> record. >> >> The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of >> him in later life. >> >> Michael >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judy Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM >> To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] >> Cc: 'Jenny' >> Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP >> >> One source of the death information appears to be here >> http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 >> >> But the footnoted reference is puzzling. >> >> In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be >> RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 >> >> HTH >> >> Judy >> London, UK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey >> >> Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried >> tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What >> appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other >> children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in >> the >> surname. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jenny >> >> I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles >> Valentine >> KNAPP..... >> >> Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex >> Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP >> 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove >> Terrace, >> Romford, Ilford. >> Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years >> >> ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, >> could >> some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. >> >> Many thanks >> >> In hope.....Jenny >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

or adoption Do you know if his father died before 1891 census? there is an Arthur Wilson KNAPP dying in 1891 Romford Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gilbey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > Judy, > > I think you are left with two possibilities at the moment. Either Charles > Knapp did die 1881-1891 and as you and others have suggested his records > got > lost somewhere in the system. The other possibility is he left home and > was > working. Giving his age in 1891 would have been 15, if he survived he is > almost certain to have sought employment. Many people lived on shop or > work > premises as a kind of human burglar alarm with some of these being missed > from the census. Other possibilities would be joining the military as a > boy > sailor or soldier. If at sea or abroad again there would be no census > record. > > The only problem with that theory at the moment is I can find no trace of > him in later life. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Lester > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:10 PM > To: 'Michael Gilbey' ; [email protected] > Cc: 'Jenny' > Subject: RE: [Ess] Death of Charles Valentine KNAPP > > One source of the death information appears to be here > http://tinyurl.com/69dcg78 > > But the footnoted reference is puzzling. > > In case it helps, the 1891 census reference appears to be > RG12/1370 folio 25 page 5 > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Gilbey > > Can I clarify why you think Charles Knapp died 1881-1891? I have tried > tracing the family in the 1891 census but so far without success. What > appears to be the father died in 1890 but I can find none of the other > children or mother. This is allowing for potential spelling errors in > the > surname. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny > > I would very much like to order the death certificate for Charles > Valentine > KNAPP..... > > Born: 14 Feb 1876; Great Ilford Essex > Parents: Arthur and Kate (Catherine FAIRES) KNAPP > 1881 census: Living with family, 5 years old; street address Grove > Terrace, > Romford, Ilford. > Death:supposed death 1 Jan 1882, Great Ilford aged 6 years > > ...however I don't seem to be able to find it even when I put in +&-, > could > some one please double check me incase I have done something wrong. > > Many thanks > > In hope.....Jenny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message