Hi Dennis I looked at the original index image for Thomas GALLEY's marriage and the page number has been incorrectly transcribed in Freebmd as 283 - it should read 233. Other names on that page are Emma COULINE, Charles DIGBY and Susan HALES. The certificate should hopefully confirm that it's the correct marriage regards, Marion On 12 November 2012 18:34, Dennis Galley <galleyd@bmts.com> wrote: > Hello: > I am trying to find a record of marriage between Thomas GALLEY, b. > 1842 @ Great Leighs, and a Susannah or Susan (surname unknown), b. 1844 @ > Great Leighs. The marriage likely occurred prior to the birth of their > first > child, Joseph, b. May 10, 1863. > > I have found a marriage record for Thomas GALLEY in the 4th quarter of 1862 > in Chelmsford, but the bride's name is not mentioned. > > Any suggestions, short of ordering the certificate? > > Thanks in advance..... > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dennis, The reference details for Thomas Galley's marriage have been wrongly transcribed as volume 4a, page 283. If you look at the image of the index, it is really page 233. Also on page 233 is Susan Hales, so I suspect she is the bride you are looking for. (The other bride on page 233 is Emma Couline). Best of luck Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Galley" <galleyd@bmts.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:34 PM To: <ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ess] Marriage @ Great Leighs > Hello: > I am trying to find a record of marriage between Thomas GALLEY, b. > 1842 @ Great Leighs, and a Susannah or Susan (surname unknown), b. 1844 @ > Great Leighs. The marriage likely occurred prior to the birth of their > first > child, Joseph, b. May 10, 1863. > > I have found a marriage record for Thomas GALLEY in the 4th quarter of > 1862 > in Chelmsford, but the bride's name is not mentioned. > > Any suggestions, short of ordering the certificate? > > Thanks in advance..... > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/11/2012 18:38:38 GMT Standard Time, galleyd@bmts.com writes: I have found a marriage record for Thomas GALLEY in the 4th quarter of 1862 in Chelmsford, but the bride's name is not mentioned. Name: HALES, Susan Registration district: Chelmsford County: Essex Year of registration: 1862 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 4A Page no: 233 Hope this helps. Jennifer

Hello: I am trying to find a record of marriage between Thomas GALLEY, b. 1842 @ Great Leighs, and a Susannah or Susan (surname unknown), b. 1844 @ Great Leighs. The marriage likely occurred prior to the birth of their first child, Joseph, b. May 10, 1863. I have found a marriage record for Thomas GALLEY in the 4th quarter of 1862 in Chelmsford, but the bride's name is not mentioned. Any suggestions, short of ordering the certificate? Thanks in advance..... Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

Hi Simon That's very interesting, thanks. I've updated my webpage for Helen Mason http://tinyurl.com/d2vftjx and put a link to your posting as a source. By the way, on books, I was once recommended Meagre Harvest: the Essex farm workers' struggle against poverty, 1750-1914 by A. F. J. Brown, but have yet to acquire a copy. Rob From: simonpartridge846 [mailto:simonpartridge846@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 November 2012 11:43 To: Robert Webb; ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: The farming Patrtridges and Masons of Essex Hi Robert and Listers The Partridges and the Masons You ask about William Parsons Partridge, b. 1812, of Elmstead Hall who married Mary Elizabeth Witheat Mason (1825-51) in 1847 and, as you say, Mary died at Elmstead aged just twenty-six. I really can't tell you very much more about him except that he continued to farm at Elmstead Hall until his death, didn't appear to remarry or have any children, and lived to a fairly ripe age, dying in January 1891 aged 78. According to the MI in Elmstead Churchyard [where Mary is also buried] he had lived at the Hall for 36 years. I know more about the family of William's brother Thomas who in1850 married her sister Helen Witheat Mason (1833-1907) - confirming that these [then] farming families were closely connected. This family interested me more because there were children - although in this case Thomas died quite young [I think I have the details somewhere, but can't find them - can a lister help?]. By the 1871 census Helen is described as widow and has become head of the household and is noted as the "farmer" of 213 acres - perhaps that was a little unusual in those days? Her children are: Helen Partridge, 19 Edith Partridge, 17 William Partridge, 13 There is evidence from the 1861 census that there were two other sons: Thomas E Partridge James Mason Partridge James appears to have drowned in an accident while at school on the Thames in 1872, aged 17 [June quarter, 1872, Strand]. I have a marriage for William Whiteat Partridge in 1881, probably to Clara Ann Snook. In the 1891 census Helen appears to be living in Jepson Road, East Ham, London with a family of Fullers [she is described as co-head with James Fuller], but I have no idea who they are. Helen's death is recorded in March 1907, W. Ham 4a 211. Helen appears to have been part of the great exodus from rural Essex which took place in the second half of the 19th C and which certainly affected my Partridge family. Although I have not looked exhaustively I have been disappointed not to have found any living close relatives still in the area. However, there is an interesting account of a Partridge family still farming in the area, although in nearby Suffolk, which can be found in Roots of England [John Miller & Sid Waddell, BBC, 1980, pp. 123-137]. This is John Partridge of West Sampson Hall, Kersey, which has been in the family for several generations - he is a relative of the famous antiquary Charles Partridge, connected with Shelley Hall almost next door to Brewood Hall. Unfortunately I have yet to make contact and don't know if there is a direct connection. But as you say these families were once connected by marriage and farming if not directly. Any further information gratefully received. Best wishes Simon now of East Finchley, London N2

Hi Robert and Listers The Partridges and the Masons You ask about William Parsons Partridge, b. 1812, of Elmstead Hall who married Mary Elizabeth Witheat Mason (1825-51) in 1847 and, as you say, Mary died at Elmstead aged just twenty-six. I really can't tell you very much more about him except that he continued to farm at Elmstead Hall until his death, didn't appear to remarry or have any children, and lived to a fairly ripe age, dying in January 1891 aged 78. According to the MI in Elmstead Churchyard [where Mary is also buried] he had lived at the Hall for 36 years. I know more about the family of William's brother Thomas who in1850 married her sister Helen Witheat Mason (1833-1907) - confirming that these [then] farming families were closely connected. This family interested me more because there were children - although in this case Thomas died quite young [I think I have the details somewhere, but can't find them - can a lister help?]. By the 1871 census Helen is described as widow and has become head of the household and is noted as the "farmer" of 213 acres - perhaps that was a little unusual in those days? Her children are: Helen Partridge, 19 Edith Partridge, 17 William Partridge, 13 There is evidence from the 1861 census that there were two other sons: Thomas E Partridge James Mason Partridge James appears to have drowned in an accident while at school on the Thames in 1872, aged 17 [June quarter, 1872, Strand]. I have a marriage for William Whiteat Partridge in 1881, probably to Clara Ann Snook. In the 1891 census Helen appears to be living in Jepson Road, East Ham, London with a family of Fullers [she is described as co-head with James Fuller], but I have no idea who they are. Helen's death is recorded in March 1907, W. Ham 4a 211. Helen appears to have been part of the great exodus from rural Essex which took place in the second half of the 19th C and which certainly affected my Partridge family. Although I have not looked exhaustively I have been disappointed not to have found any living close relatives still in the area. However, there is an interesting account of a Partridge family still farming in the area, although in nearby Suffolk, which can be found in Roots of England [John Miller & Sid Waddell, BBC, 1980, pp. 123-137]. This is John Partridge of West Sampson Hall, Kersey, which has been in the family for several generations - he is a relative of the famous antiquary Charles Partridge, connected with Shelley Hall almost next door to Brewood Hall. Unfortunately I have yet to make contact and don't know if there is a direct connection. But as you say these families were once connected by marriage and farming if not directly. Any further information gratefully received. Best wishes Simon now of East Finchley, London N2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Webb To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Cc: simonpartridge846@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: Re: PARTRIDGE family of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley, Essex Hi Simon I can't remember if I replied to you before but picking up on an old thread from a few years ago, I'm curious about your William Parsons, b. 1812, of Elmstead Hall who you say married Mary Elizabeth Witheat. Her name was actually Mary Elizabeth Witheat Mason (1825-51) and she married William Parson Partridge in 1847 and died at Elmstead aged just twenty-six. As you say, in 1850 her sister Helen Witheat Mason (1833-1907) married William's brother Thomas. The Masons farmed at Brightlingsea. Mary and Helen's father was James Mason, my 3xgreat grandfather - there was another daughter, Phoebe, who was my 2xgreat grandmother. Confusingly, James's sister was Sarah Mason and she was my 3xg.grandmother as I have a family line through her marriage to John Tayler as well. I see on 1851 that Sarah Tayler was a visitor at Elmstead Hall. All these families were interconnected by marriage and farming and it's difficult to unravel the relationships, I've found. I have put what I know about the Masons on my website: https://sites.google.com/site/lazarusrobertshistory/james-mason with links to related families (like the Taylers). Have you been able to find out any more since your 09 posting? I don't know any books about the farming community in NE Essex specifically but Norman Smedley, Life and Tradition in Suffolk and North-East Essex (Dent, 1976) is worth seeking out if you can. Rob -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of simonpartridge846 Sent: 28 June 2009 12:04 To: Essex UK Roots Subject: [Ess] PARTRIDGE family of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley, Essex I have recently discovered that my great-great-grandfather William Partridge, married to Ann [possibly nee Parson], was tenant farmer of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley first half of the 19th C. Their son Robert was my great-grandfather. The other children were: 1. William Parson b. 1812; m. Mary Elizabeth Witheat [d. 1851?] - no children?; d.1891 aged 78 - tenant farmer at Elmstead Hall 2. Henry b. 1814; unm.; d. 1834 aged 20 @ GtH 3. [Mary] Anne b. 1815; m. John Vince [1854] farmer at Ardleigh - no children? 4. Robert b. 1816[?]; unm.; d. 1817 aged 15 months @GtH ) 5. Edward b. 1816; unm.; d. 1833 aged 17 @ GtH ) ) buried in same grave - twins? 6. Susanna b. 1819; unm.; d. 1842 aged 23 @ GtH 7. Thomas b. 1820; m. Helen Witheat Mason 1850; 5 children; died young 1860 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Dillbridge Farm, Ipswich Road nr Colchester 8. Robert b. 1822; m. Jane Parsons - at least 11 children; d.1878 aged 56 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Gt Braxted Hall, land agent at Witham, then estate agent [Kensington, London] 9. [Debora] Eliza [Ward] b. 1827 My grandfather Harold Partridge was the youngest son of Robert who probably died when he was only four. This appeared to rupture the family narrative and my father knew nothing of his grandfather and the Essex farming connection. I wonder whether anyone on the list is familiar with this branch of the Partridges - I am particularly interested in the children of Thomas and Robert. I have found out nothing about Debora Eliza Ward [usually "Eliza"], apart from mention in the 1841 & 1851 census. Is there a good book about the Essex farming community of the 19thC? Thanks. Simon Partridge East Finchley London N2

Worse still is the fact that concerns about the DPA are leading many organisations (both public and private) to destroy practically all records which identify individuals at the earliest opportunity. The school records currently held by archives around the country are a wonderful resource but they will never be joined by their contemporary equivalents. Caroline > > The lesson to be learned is that one complaint about access can open a > can of worms. In other words, don't ask about anything in case the > Information Commissioner takes it into their mind to close everything! >

I found the decision around this is on http://www.ico.gov.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2011/fs_50314844.ash x The lesson to be learned is that one complaint about access can open a can of worms. In other words, don't ask about anything in case the Information Commissioner takes it into their mind to close everything! The only thing I would argue on this case, is that the Code of Practice for archivists and records managers under section 51.4 of the Data Protection Act 1998 says: "Assume a lifespan of 100 years . If the age of an adult data subject is not known, assume that he was 16 at the time of the records . If the age of a child data subject is not known, assume he was less than 1 at the time of the records". But in case of school records, the DOB is given so it would be possible to work out how old the children were at the time of the records. In that case, 100 years is too much and the admission registers could be open until the page where the youngest child would now be 100 years old. That would mean primary/Church school records could probably be closed for 95/6 years and grammar schools for 90 years. Nit picking, I know, but those few years could mean a lot. I posted about this on another forum and was told how to appeal, but I go back to my earlier point about cans of worms. It might, however, be worth quoting it to ERO if you want to see the records. On the other forum, I had a reply from someone whose school records are from the 1940s, and they were totally opposed to their records being accessed. My husband, on the other hand, is quite happy to let people know that he "shuns work for long periods"! -----Original Message----- From: La Greenall [mailto:eldeworth@googlemail.com] Sent: 07 November 2012 11:45 To: Adrian Gray Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Removal of school records from public access by the ERO This is also mentioned in the latest ERO e-bulletin (http://www.essexrecordofficeblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/ 2012/05/November-e-bulletin.pdf) [remove the line break]. I don't think much could be done easily, but it would be useful to know exactly how the "decision by the Information Commissioner concerning data protection issues" was worded by him/her, and specifically what concerns they had and tried to address with this decision. An enquiry to ERO or to the IC would be a start. Also, I note that after this item in the e-bulletin is an announcement that the Public Services Quality Group (PSQG) Survey of visitors to UK archives 2012 will be held at ERO over 12-16 Nov, and there is a plea to "please do... take the opportunity to make your voice heard." That this immediately follows the school records closure announcement cannot be mere coincidence? Perhaps ERO feels that its hands are tied and is hoping that lots of its clients (us) will protest and force the IC to have a reconsider. Lawrence On 05/11/2012 11:18, Adrian Gray wrote: > Dear All, > > It seems that concerns have been raised regarding whether or not school > records are confidential information, and the ERO have decided to withdraw > a considerable chunk of them from public access. This is (a) ridiculous as > they've been available at least since they were microfilmed in the 1980s > and (b) incredibly bad news for anyone trying to track people in > that awkward post-1911 census gap. > > I've appended below a list of sources affected - please note that the > information I have ONLY covers the Saffron Walden Archive Access Point, so > the number of records affected is almost certainly much greater. > > Is there anything we can do about this? > > Adrian > > > > *School Records* > > > > 03 November 2012 all microfilms containing school log books and other > documents relating to the information about local schools has been > withdrawn from the Archive Access Point in Saffron Walden as per ruling by > the Information Commissioner because of the concerns about the release of > confidential information. > > > > Ph 4/140/1-4 Boys' British School*, Saffron Walden* > > Managers' Minutes 1838-1938 > > Ph 4/140/5-7 Boys' British School, *Saffron Walden* > > Managers' Minutes 1939-1950 > > Log Books 1863-1879, 1893-1905 > > Ph 4/140/9-10 Boy's British School,* Saffron Walden* > > Log Books 1939-1965 > > E/ML 241 Boys' British School, *Saffron Walden* > > Log Books 1900-1939 > > > > D/Q 25/1-4 *Newport* Grammar School Admission Registers > 1855-1917 > > Attendance Registers 1839-1882 > > D/Q 25/5-9 *Newport* Grammar School Attendance Registers > 1878-1914 > > > > T/A 570 *Great Sampford* School Admissions Register > 1896-1941, > > School Board Minutes 1872-1885, Letter Book 1874-1881, > > Log Book 1877-1961 > > > > T/A868/3/1-7 Records of South Road Voluntary School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Admissions Register 1895-1944 Honours Book 1933-1965 > > > > T/P 346 St. Mary's Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books (girls) 1863-1924 > > T/P 346 St. Mary's Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books (boys) 1863-1911 > > T/P 347 St. Mary's Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books 1924-1950 > > > > T/P 350/1/1 *Radwinter *C of E School: log book 1923-1965, > > Managers' minutes 1905-1974 > > T/P 350/1/2 *Radwinter* C of E School: Admissions Registers > 1928-1977, Evacuees' Admissions 1939 > > > > T/P 386/1-3 *Ashdon* CPS Log Books 1878-1930 > > > > T/P 436/1-4 *Debden *C of E primary School Log Books > 1871-1953, Admission register 1918-1968, > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rob I'm a little busy at the moment but good to hear from you. I'll get back to you shortly. I was interested to see that Helen lived until 1907. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Webb To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Cc: simonpartridge846@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: Re: PARTRIDGE family of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley, Essex Hi Simon I can't remember if I replied to you before but picking up on an old thread from a few years ago, I'm curious about your William Parsons, b. 1812, of Elmstead Hall who you say married Mary Elizabeth Witheat. Her name was actually Mary Elizabeth Witheat Mason (1825-51) and she married William Parson Partridge in 1847 and died at Elmstead aged just twenty-six. As you say, in 1850 her sister Helen Witheat Mason (1833-1907) married William's brother Thomas. The Masons farmed at Brightlingsea. Mary and Helen's father was James Mason, my 3xgreat grandfather - there was another daughter, Phoebe, who was my 2xgreat grandmother. Confusingly, James's sister was Sarah Mason and she was my 3xg.grandmother as I have a family line through her marriage to John Tayler as well. I see on 1851 that Sarah Tayler was a visitor at Elmstead Hall. All these families were interconnected by marriage and farming and it's difficult to unravel the relationships, I've found. I have put what I know about the Masons on my website: https://sites.google.com/site/lazarusrobertshistory/james-mason with links to related families (like the Taylers). Have you been able to find out any more since your 09 posting? I don't know any books about the farming community in NE Essex specifically but Norman Smedley, Life and Tradition in Suffolk and North-East Essex (Dent, 1976) is worth seeking out if you can. Rob -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of simonpartridge846 Sent: 28 June 2009 12:04 To: Essex UK Roots Subject: [Ess] PARTRIDGE family of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley, Essex I have recently discovered that my great-great-grandfather William Partridge, married to Ann [possibly nee Parson], was tenant farmer of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley first half of the 19th C. Their son Robert was my great-grandfather. The other children were: 1. William Parson b. 1812; m. Mary Elizabeth Witheat [d. 1851?] - no children?; d.1891 aged 78 - tenant farmer at Elmstead Hall 2. Henry b. 1814; unm.; d. 1834 aged 20 @ GtH 3. [Mary] Anne b. 1815; m. John Vince [1854] farmer at Ardleigh - no children? 4. Robert b. 1816[?]; unm.; d. 1817 aged 15 months @GtH ) 5. Edward b. 1816; unm.; d. 1833 aged 17 @ GtH ) ) buried in same grave - twins? 6. Susanna b. 1819; unm.; d. 1842 aged 23 @ GtH 7. Thomas b. 1820; m. Helen Witheat Mason 1850; 5 children; died young 1860 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Dillbridge Farm, Ipswich Road nr Colchester 8. Robert b. 1822; m. Jane Parsons - at least 11 children; d.1878 aged 56 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Gt Braxted Hall, land agent at Witham, then estate agent [Kensington, London] 9. [Debora] Eliza [Ward] b. 1827 My grandfather Harold Partridge was the youngest son of Robert who probably died when he was only four. This appeared to rupture the family narrative and my father knew nothing of his grandfather and the Essex farming connection. I wonder whether anyone on the list is familiar with this branch of the Partridges - I am particularly interested in the children of Thomas and Robert. I have found out nothing about Debora Eliza Ward [usually "Eliza"], apart from mention in the 1841 & 1851 census. Is there a good book about the Essex farming community of the 19thC? Thanks. Simon Partridge East Finchley London N2

Hi Simon I can't remember if I replied to you before but picking up on an old thread from a few years ago, I'm curious about your William Parsons, b. 1812, of Elmstead Hall who you say married Mary Elizabeth Witheat. Her name was actually Mary Elizabeth Witheat Mason (1825-51) and she married William Parson Partridge in 1847 and died at Elmstead aged just twenty-six. As you say, in 1850 her sister Helen Witheat Mason (1833-1907) married William's brother Thomas. The Masons farmed at Brightlingsea. Mary and Helen's father was James Mason, my 3xgreat grandfather - there was another daughter, Phoebe, who was my 2xgreat grandmother. Confusingly, James's sister was Sarah Mason and she was my 3xg.grandmother as I have a family line through her marriage to John Tayler as well. I see on 1851 that Sarah Tayler was a visitor at Elmstead Hall. All these families were interconnected by marriage and farming and it's difficult to unravel the relationships, I've found. I have put what I know about the Masons on my website: https://sites.google.com/site/lazarusrobertshistory/james-mason with links to related families (like the Taylers). Have you been able to find out any more since your 09 posting? I don't know any books about the farming community in NE Essex specifically but Norman Smedley, Life and Tradition in Suffolk and North-East Essex (Dent, 1976) is worth seeking out if you can. Rob -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of simonpartridge846 Sent: 28 June 2009 12:04 To: Essex UK Roots Subject: [Ess] PARTRIDGE family of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley, Essex I have recently discovered that my great-great-grandfather William Partridge, married to Ann [possibly nee Parson], was tenant farmer of Brewood Hall, Gt Horkesley first half of the 19th C. Their son Robert was my great-grandfather. The other children were: 1. William Parson b. 1812; m. Mary Elizabeth Witheat [d. 1851?] - no children?; d.1891 aged 78 - tenant farmer at Elmstead Hall 2. Henry b. 1814; unm.; d. 1834 aged 20 @ GtH 3. [Mary] Anne b. 1815; m. John Vince [1854] farmer at Ardleigh - no children? 4. Robert b. 1816[?]; unm.; d. 1817 aged 15 months @GtH ) 5. Edward b. 1816; unm.; d. 1833 aged 17 @ GtH ) ) buried in same grave - twins? 6. Susanna b. 1819; unm.; d. 1842 aged 23 @ GtH 7. Thomas b. 1820; m. Helen Witheat Mason 1850; 5 children; died young 1860 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Dillbridge Farm, Ipswich Road nr Colchester 8. Robert b. 1822; m. Jane Parsons - at least 11 children; d.1878 aged 56 [tbc] - tenant farmer at Gt Braxted Hall, land agent at Witham, then estate agent [Kensington, London] 9. [Debora] Eliza [Ward] b. 1827 My grandfather Harold Partridge was the youngest son of Robert who probably died when he was only four. This appeared to rupture the family narrative and my father knew nothing of his grandfather and the Essex farming connection. I wonder whether anyone on the list is familiar with this branch of the Partridges - I am particularly interested in the children of Thomas and Robert. I have found out nothing about Debora Eliza Ward [usually "Eliza"], apart from mention in the 1841 & 1851 census. Is there a good book about the Essex farming community of the 19thC? Thanks. Simon Partridge East Finchley London N2

This is also mentioned in the latest ERO e-bulletin (http://www.essexrecordofficeblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/ 2012/05/November-e-bulletin.pdf) [remove the line break]. I don't think much could be done easily, but it would be useful to know exactly how the "decision by the Information Commissioner concerning data protection issues" was worded by him/her, and specifically what concerns they had and tried to address with this decision. An enquiry to ERO or to the IC would be a start. Also, I note that after this item in the e-bulletin is an announcement that the Public Services Quality Group (PSQG) Survey of visitors to UK archives 2012 will be held at ERO over 12-16 Nov, and there is a plea to "please do... take the opportunity to make your voice heard." That this immediately follows the school records closure announcement cannot be mere coincidence? Perhaps ERO feels that its hands are tied and is hoping that lots of its clients (us) will protest and force the IC to have a reconsider. Lawrence On 05/11/2012 11:18, Adrian Gray wrote: > Dear All, > > It seems that concerns have been raised regarding whether or not school > records are confidential information, and the ERO have decided to withdraw > a considerable chunk of them from public access. This is (a) ridiculous as > they've been available at least since they were microfilmed in the 1980s > and (b) incredibly bad news for anyone trying to track people in > that awkward post-1911 census gap. > > I've appended below a list of sources affected - please note that the > information I have ONLY covers the Saffron Walden Archive Access Point, so > the number of records affected is almost certainly much greater. > > Is there anything we can do about this? > > Adrian > > > > *School Records* > > > > 03 November 2012 all microfilms containing school log books and other > documents relating to the information about local schools has been > withdrawn from the Archive Access Point in Saffron Walden as per ruling by > the Information Commissioner because of the concerns about the release of > confidential information. > > > > Ph 4/140/1-4 Boys’ British School*, Saffron Walden* > > Managers’ Minutes 1838-1938 > > Ph 4/140/5-7 Boys’ British School, *Saffron Walden* > > Managers’ Minutes 1939-1950 > > Log Books 1863-1879, 1893-1905 > > Ph 4/140/9-10 Boy’s British School,* Saffron Walden* > > Log Books 1939-1965 > > E/ML 241 Boys’ British School, *Saffron Walden* > > Log Books 1900-1939 > > > > D/Q 25/1-4 *Newport* Grammar School Admission Registers > 1855-1917 > > Attendance Registers 1839-1882 > > D/Q 25/5-9 *Newport* Grammar School Attendance Registers > 1878-1914 > > > > T/A 570 *Great Sampford* School Admissions Register > 1896-1941, > > School Board Minutes 1872-1885, Letter Book 1874-1881, > > Log Book 1877-1961 > > > > T/A868/3/1-7 Records of South Road Voluntary School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Admissions Register 1895-1944 Honours Book 1933-1965 > > > > T/P 346 St. Mary’s Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books (girls) 1863-1924 > > T/P 346 St. Mary’s Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books (boys) 1863-1911 > > T/P 347 St. Mary’s Church of England School, *Saffron > Walden* > > Log Books 1924-1950 > > > > T/P 350/1/1 *Radwinter *C of E School: log book 1923-1965, > > Managers’ minutes 1905-1974 > > T/P 350/1/2 *Radwinter* C of E School: Admissions Registers > 1928-1977, Evacuees’ Admissions 1939 > > > > T/P 386/1-3 *Ashdon* CPS Log Books 1878-1930 > > > > T/P 436/1-4 *Debden *C of E primary School Log Books > 1871-1953, Admission register 1918-1968, > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know if what looks like Hopden Crescent, Dagenham, Essex still exists? The record for the street name is hard to read but I think it is Hopden. If Hopden Crescent does exist and directories etc are available, could someone please check who lived at number 43 in 1951. Many thanks, May in New Zealand

Can't help with this specific question as Custom House isn't listed (you probably need more address information) but to look up a place to determine which Registration District it would fall under, I use this website: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/regindex2-1.pdf Regards June -----Original Message----- From: Diane MARGRIE-Sowden [mailto:dpkms20042000@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2012 21:48 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Custom house Good day to you all. Please could you kindly tell me whether Custom House comes under West Ham for births do you think? Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPad

The nearest name to Hopden in Dagenham that I can Google is Hamden Crescent. Could it be that? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Harriet Taylor" <hmtaylor@clear.net.nz> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:18 AM To: <Essex-UK@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ess] Dagenham > Does anyone know if what looks like Hopden Crescent, Dagenham, Essex still > exists? The record for the street name is hard to read but I think it is > Hopden. If Hopden Crescent does exist and directories etc are available, > could someone please check who lived at number 43 in 1951. > > Many thanks, > May > in New Zealand > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, Yes it does. Custom House postal district of E16 , is Part of West Ham. -----Original Message----- From: Diane MARGRIE-Sowden Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 9:47 PM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Custom house Good day to you all. Please could you kindly tell me whether Custom House comes under West Ham for births do you think? Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, Yes. West Ham registration district extends south as far as the river and would cover Custom House. http://maps.familysearch.org/ HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane MARGRIE-Sowden Please could you kindly tell me whether Custom House comes under West Ham for births do you think?

Good day to you all. Please could you kindly tell me whether Custom House comes under West Ham for births do you think? Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPad

Can anybody help with the marriage of Joseph BRIDGE and Hannah SKIPPON. Joseph was born abt 1730 in Essex, Hannah b abt 1730 Bradwell on Sea, Essex d/o Edward Bridge/Hannah Row according to Ancestry, I havnt been able to confirm this yet. I have found three children for this couple, Joseph Skippon BRIDGE bapt 17 Nov 1752 St Nicholas, Tillingham, Essex, which I see is close to Bradwell, he marries Ann KING in 1779 at Grays Thurrock, Essex. Jerimiah BRIDGE b 1757 Tillingham marr Sarah TRUSS in 1800 at Bradwell. I think their third child was Golden BRIDGE, but know nothing about him at all. There are a lot of Joseph BRIDGE's, but cannot seem to pin one down in the Tillingham or Bradwell area, nor find his marriage to Hannah SKIPPON. Golden BRIDGE is of interest as the christian name is carried down thru the generations as Golden, Gouldon or GOLDING,  They seem to be using the surname of the following people. Thomas BRIDGE married Sarah GOLDING (dont know when) who were producing children in Newmarket Suffolk, possibly from 1701. The dates would be about right, but as yet I cannot make a connection between Newmarket and Bradwell. Any thoughts or help appreciated Pat in North Lincolnshire

Dennis, you were asking about a marriage between Robert GALLEY, b. 1815 @ Great Leighs, and Sarah (surname unknown), b. 1818 @ Chatley Hamlet. The marriage likely took place in 1837 - 1839 @ Great Leighs. The GRO index shows a Dec qtr 1837 marriage Chelmsford district vol 12 Pg 77 – containing Robert GALLEY as well as two possible Sarah’s (WARD and BOREHAM). Based on the 1851 census (Great Leighs) Robert’s Sarah was born there in abt 1810, whereas the 1851 census showing the Sarah who seems to have married Joseph HARRIS (another name on the Dec 1837 GRO marriage index under the same ref. no) appears to have been born in Springfield, Chelmsford. So Sarah WARD does look the more likely candidate. If so then she was probably the Sarah WARD baptised at Great Leighs on 12 Apr 1807 to a William & Maria WARD. William & Maria had married (at Great Leighs) on 15 Feb 1803. Obtaining the 1837 marriage from the GRO or local Register Office will of course confirm Sarah’s maiden name for certain. Duncan, Dundee

According to the marriage index, a Robert Galley married in the Chelmsford registration district in the last quarter of 1937. Great Leighs is within this area. A Sarah Ward is also listed on the same page. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Galley Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:23 PM To: ESSEX-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Marriage Lookup - Great Leighs I am looking for a marriage between Robert GALLEY, b. 1815 @ Great Leighs, and Sarah (surname unknown), b. 1818 @ Chatley Hamlet. The marriage likely took place in 1837 - 1839 @ Great Leighs. Thanks in advance..... Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message