My gt gt grandfather had a son Daniel who in 1911 had an occupation as a Manhowle Recker. Any ideas what this could be? Thanks Graham

Typical - having looked for days at this problem, I've just found the 'Safety Options' and set it to 'No Automatic Filtering' !!!! Hopefully this will work :) :) Thanks Caroline

I've recently bought a new laptop which is running Windows Live Mail (used to Have Windows Mail). I have message rules which sort my Rootsweb lists, but Live Mail is insisting on putting quite a lot of my messages in the Junk file ! As the 'from' is a very varied and numeroues list of individuals, I can't add them all to my 'Safe Sender List' - has anyone got any suggestions as to how I can stop a lot of you becoming Junk ?? :) :) (Off list please) Thank you Caroline

Hello, There are two further sources of information which no one has mentioned yet: 1. The website "Church Plans On-Line" - http://www.churchplansonline.org/ - which (strangely enough) contains detailed architectural plans, drawings and pictures of churches. The information published comes from Lambeth Palace Library. 2. The London Gazette - http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ - according to the definitive books (compiled by Frederic A. Youngs) on the administrative history of England, quite often there are entries published in the London Gazette detailing changes to churches. It might also be worth trying the AIM25 online catalogue - http://www.aim25.ac.uk/ - (Archives in the M25 area) if you haven't already looked there. (For those list members who haven't heard of this site before, it's an index to the holdings of more than 100 archives and libraries in the area around London. It includes far more sources than ordinary Record Offices. Regards, Charles Fuller. On 17/11/2012 18:30, La Greenall wrote: > > I knew this list would be the place to ask, even though my question was > one of history not genealogy - both disciplines benefit so much from a > group of people such as yourselves who are each knowledgeable in other > areas apart from the obvious, all of which adds to the rich tapestry of > our common interests. > > Thank-you both and others for the insights you've given; I fear I'm > wearing this thread's welcome on the list a bit thin so won't post any > more replies publicly, except for the name of the church if it comes my way. > > Best wishes to all, and a big hearty thank-you, > Lawrence

I have written to Diane off list as this is too recent a subject, 1942, and people concerned in it could still be alive and would not necessarily be thrilled about having their details bandied about on the the list for all to read in the archives. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I know that this boy was born 28 March 1942 at Forest Gate Hospital, his Mother was Mary Nurse nee Knight. She registered him as her own on 8th April 1942. I know this as there is a note in the margin written by the Superintendent.>>

Hello, I am looking for details of the birth of my 3 x Great Aunt, Caroline LINDSELL, believed to be Circa 1834 in Prittlewell, Essex. Daughter of Thomas and Sophia LINDSELL. Hoping that someone can help. Regards, David LINDSELL

Hi Diane > A childs Birth Cert. gives only the natural father' name or no father > (for various reasons) is given, or father (deceased). This is not *strictly* true. The law assumed (and still does) that if a married woman gave birth then her husband was the father. Even if a registrar had his suspicions, the husband's name would go on the certificate. But I don't think this is particularly relevant to the case in question as the mother was almost certainly a widow, not a married woman. Thomas H NURSE married Mary KNIGHT in Q1 1927 and there were three children apparently born to the couple between 1929 and 1932. It looks highly likely that Thomas died in Q4 1936. I think the "adoption" issue is a red herring. As others have pointed out, Mary would not have needed to adopt John if she was his natural mother. The most likely scenario is that Mary became pregnant by a man who was unwilling or unable to marry her and concocted a story about John being adopted to cover her shame (though I doubt many would have been fooled at the time!). Hope this helps > > > Mary took him as her own a month after he was born. The question is: > > there is no Father on the birth certificate. I know that Mary WAS > > married to a Thomas Nurse, wouldn't he have been down on the > > certificate even though he wasn't the birth father please? If Thomas > > had died, would she have been able to adopt John even though she > > didn't have a husband in 1942 please? > >

Hi folks! It's been a while since I did any family research and so my Ancestry.co.uk sub has lapsed. While using findMyPast tonight to view the 1911 census free I researched into George & Ellen Byford and then went to put the residentual info found into my online ancestry tree. This brought up a new hit which is MOST interesting, but of which I can't get the full picture without a subscription. George and someone whom I guess is a brother-in-law (Isaac, his father-in-law is mentioned in the heading of one version, but I know not of any children by Isaac) were apparently fined for being drunk and disorderly! The snippet of info it gives is as follows: 18941222 essex newsman: (Document) Date: 22 Dec 1894 Location: Essex Newsman newspaper cutting Transcription:George Byford and Albert Baker summoned for being druuk and disorderly were fined 10s. and 9s. 9d. costs each. Isaac B... Does anyone have access to the British Newspaper archive, or to the Chelmsford Archive who could find this clipping and either copy the text of send me the image, please? I'd be ever so grateful :) Sam Byford.

Hello Diane, A childs Birth Cert. gives only the natural father' name or no father (for various reasons) is given, or father (deceased). I cannot answer the question "adoption" but sure some one will. eddy in bavaria > Mary took him as her own a month after he was born. The question is: > there is no Father on the birth certificate. I know that Mary WAS > married to a Thomas Nurse, wouldn't he have been down on the certificate > even though he wasn't the birth father please? If Thomas had died, > would she have been able to adopt John even though she didn't have a > husband in 1942 please? > >

I am not clear if you are saying Mary Nurse, (nee Knight) is the natural mother or not. I note the birth was during WW2 where there was every possibility Thomas Nurse was absent on wartime duties. The ambiguity I am reading into your original message is whether you are saying that John Nurse was not the son of either Mary or Thomas Nurse but another unknown couple and somehow Mary just took him in a form of instant adoption. Or if you are saying the Mary was the natural mother. If the Mary was the child's natural mother, even if the child was illegitimate, the question of adoption does not arise. If Thomas Nurses' name was not on the birth certificate then presumably he was not the father and the child was illegitimate. If Thomas was already deceased as a result of the war or had been absent on war duties for more than nine months, Mary Nurse may have found it difficult adding Thomas Nurse as the father. The other possibility is Thomas was still alive and that he was aware of the forthcoming child but refused to have his name entered on the birth certificate as the father knowing it was not his. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Diane Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:45 AM To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] Adoption in West Ham Hi there, I have a puzzle on a birth certificate! I know that this boy was born 28 March 1942 at Forest Gate Hospital, his Mother was Mary Nurse nee Knight. She registered him as her own on 8th April 1942. I know this as there is a note in the margin written by the Superintendent. Mary took him as her own a month after he was born. The question is: there is no Father on the birth certificate. I know that Mary WAS married to a Thomas Nurse, wouldn't he have been down on the certificate even though he wasn't the birth father please? If Thomas had died, would she have been able to adopt John even though she didn't have a husband in 1942 please? Thanks for answering this for me. Diane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, I have a puzzle on a birth certificate! I know that this boy was born 28 March 1942 at Forest Gate Hospital, his Mother was Mary Nurse nee Knight. She registered him as her own on 8th April 1942. I know this as there is a note in the margin written by the Superintendent. Mary took him as her own a month after he was born. The question is: there is no Father on the birth certificate. I know that Mary WAS married to a Thomas Nurse, wouldn't he have been down on the certificate even though he wasn't the birth father please? If Thomas had died, would she have been able to adopt John even though she didn't have a husband in 1942 please? Thanks for answering this for me. Diane

On 15/11/2012 21:34, Muriel wrote: > HI Folks RE the special chair Most Anglican parishes have a bishops > chair which is used when he visits. Technically the bishop is > responsible for every parish in the Diocese. Also there are many fair > sized Anglican churches even in smaller places if they were older. > Remember big families in those days! For what its worth Muriel On 16/11/2012 03:36, Muriel wrote: > I have had another look at a zoom in shot and I think who ever > suggested a confirmation was likely correct. I was looking in the > chancel for the bishop but then spotted what could be him down to the > left with the the three in white surplices which makes sense ready to > take his place on the chair in front of the altar. The red colour of > clergy stoles and other hangings are often used to indicate the Holy > Spirit used for confirmation. However that does not identify the > church. I am pretty certain it is a parish church and not a > cathedral. Bedtime!!! Muriel Hello Muriel. I've posted your msgs to the list as I think you meant them to go there; hope that's ok. On 15/11/2012 13:42, johnfhhgen wrote: > Hi Lawrence, > Studying the photo carefully would suggest that this is an evening > confirmation service, perhaps mainly for a school.. A chair has been > placed before the altar for the actual confirmation, a white haired > figure flanked by two black cassocked figures [servers?] appears to be > wearing a cope and if this is a confirmation would be the bishop, at > the front left. Other clergy with red stoles are behind the altar. The > old high altar at the east end has been coverted into a weekday > chapel. At the extrem bottom of the photo can be seen the cruet &c > ready for the offertory procession. I suspect this photograph has been > taken at the beginning of the service, just after after the entry > procession. The lectern between the two candles is for reading the > epistle and gospel. It appears that a special service booklet has been > produced for the occasion (no hymn numbers on board). . > The choir is at the front right (red cassocks), conducted by a > gentleman in a suit. A mystery is the collection of red objects > (books?) on the altar, perhaps for presentation to the confirmation > candidates. > The re-ordering of the chancel with an additional nave altar and > abandonment of the high altar and communion rail would date from the > late '60s or 1970s, possible later. You've both come to the same conclusions regarding the Bishop and his chair, which must be correct. You both also independently pick up on other factors such as the point in the service when the photo was taken, so I think we now have that side of things firmly sorted out. Isn't it amazing just how much information can be gleaned from a single unidentified picture! Even if the church's identity remains unknown, all this knowledge is an amazing result and I'll certainly be preserving it for the museum. If only genealogy and history were always this successful in the finer details! I knew this list would be the place to ask, even though my question was one of history not genealogy - both disciplines benefit so much from a group of people such as yourselves who are each knowledgeable in other areas apart from the obvious, all of which adds to the rich tapestry of our common interests. Thjankyou both and others for the insights you've given; I fear I'm wearing this thread's welcome on the list a bit thin so won't post any more replies publicly, except for the name of the church if it comes my way. Best wishes to all, and a big hearty thankyou, Lawrence

On 15/11/2012 2:04 PM, La Greenall wrote: > John, this is excellent; thankyou. especially for the insight into the > service. I was drawn to the hymboard many times but couldn't put my > finger on why - silly sausage I am! > > Glynis also suggested the faculties kept at ERO and I've been through > them with no luck, but didn't realise there was a cut-off date of 1963 > on their holdings. Good! I will follow this up if other easier leads > fail. > > WA church surprisingly cannot help! I fear their current team are all > just too young. I knew some parishioners closely involved in church > affairs who would certainly have known the answer, but they've all > passed away in the last year or two. Waltham Abbey should have its PCC minutes and annual reports: but they may have deposited with the ERO. If you have a year when the old pulpit was put back, there may be a news report for the re-dedication of the restored pulpit and possibly some news item on the proposed restoration - either of which may mention what happened to the Burges pulpit. Kind regards, John > > I too have always thought it was most likely a church in London or > Essex, possibly even in both as you say. Just no guarantees that it is! > > Lawrence > > On 15/11/2012 13:42, johnfhhgen wrote: >> >> Hi Lawrence, >> Studying the photo carefully would suggest that this is an evening >> confirmation service, perhaps mainly for a school.. A chair has been >> placed before the altar for the actual confirmation, a white haired >> figure flanked by two black cassocked figures [servers?] appears to >> be wearing a cope and if this is a confirmation would be the bishop, >> at the front left. Other clergy with red stoles are behind the altar. >> The old high altar at the east end has been coverted into a weekday >> chapel. At the extrem bottom of the photo can be seen the cruet &c >> ready for the offertory procession. I suspect this photograph has >> been taken at the beginning of the service, just after after the >> entry procession. The lectern between the two candles is for reading >> the epistle and gospel. It appears that a special service booklet has >> been produced for the occasion (no hymn numbers on board). . >> The choir is at the front right (red cassocks), conducted by a >> gentleman in a suit. A mystery is the collection of red objects >> (books?) on the altar, perhaps for presentation to the confirmation >> candidates. >> The re-ordering of the chancel with an additional nave altar and >> abandonment of the high altar and communion rail would date from the >> late '60s or 1970s, possible later. >> >> The removal of the pulpit from Waltham Abbey would have needed a >> faculty, and so would the church receiving it. SEAX have faculties >> searchable online up to 1963, so it would appear to be later. >> Chelmsford Diocesan Registry might be able to help, as should Waltham >> Abbey itself, as there should be a reference in the PCC mnutes or >> annual reports to the re-ordering which led to the re-instatement of >> the original pulpit. >> >> Although not St Andrew's Plaistow. (see photos of this online), given >> the cuurent location of the pulpit, I wouls suggest that itis one of >> the large Victorian churches built in S.E.Essex for "London over the >> border". It may have been closed and demolished/put to other use >> since this photo was taken. Thewre should also be a faculty for the >> pulpit's removal from this church or for ther demolition of this church. >> >> Of course, as you say, it may have gone to any part of the country >> and returned to the museum because of the original Waltham >> connection, but I would be inclined to begin with nearest churches, >> then consider other Victorian churches in the Chelmsford Diocese .... >> Chelmsford, Colchester, Southend..... >> >> HTH >> John Henley >> >> > >

HI Folks RE the special chair Most Anglican parishes have a bishops chair which is used when he visits. Technically the bishop is responsible for every parish in the Diocese. Also there are many fair sized Anglican churches even in smaller places if they were older. Remember big families in those days! For what its worth Muriel -----Original Message----- From: La Greenall Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:38 AM To: Mike Fry Cc: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ess] FW: Help needed identifying church On 15/11/2012 09:16, Mike Fry wrote: > Add to this the sheer size of the building - it's far too large to be > an 'ordinary' parish church. And the carpet in the aisle - how many > churches have carpets in the aisle? It's definitely not Catholic! Too > many bare-headed women. And where are the altar boys that would be > there? Too plain to be Catholic, therefore Anglican! Don't think it > can be a cathedral, because it's obviously 19th century (probably late > 19th) and I don't think a lot of cathedrals got built in that period. > I think you're looking at the main church of a bishopric. I can only agree Mike with much you say. I also think it's late 19th century, i.e. probably after the High Victorian fashion had been and gone. Some cathedrals do date to recent times; Guildford is 20th century, and Chelmsford became a cathedral in the 20th century too - although the building is an older (yet quite grand) parish church. Isn't the head church of a bishopric a cathedral? Though I entirely agree about the size and scale of this church, it doesn't necessarily follow that it's a high-status church: I recently visited Thaxted parish church in Essex which also has a central crossing, very high ceilings and an extreme length, to rival any cathedral, but this was due firstly to a very prosperous townspeople who wanted lots of guild chapels in their new church, which they began constructing in the 14th century whilst several claimants to the lordship of the manor were tied up in legal battles, and therefore had control of the basic floorplan (each of the two aisles is wider than the central nave); and secondly to the very high status and royal lords of the manor of later centuries who completed the construction - the last one being Catherine of Aragon. It does have a western tower but was begun with a central one in mind. Lawrence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, this is excellent; thankyou. especially for the insight into the service. I was drawn to the hymboard many times but couldn't put my finger on why - silly sausage I am! Glynis also suggested the faculties kept at ERO and I've been through them with no luck, but didn't realise there was a cut-off date of 1963 on their holdings. Good! I will follow this up if other easier leads fail. WA church surprisingly cannot help! I fear their current team are all just too young. I knew some parishioners closely involved in church affairs who would certainly have known the answer, but they've all passed away in the last year or two. I too have always thought it was most likely a church in London or Essex, possibly even in both as you say. Just no guarantees that it is! Lawrence On 15/11/2012 13:42, johnfhhgen wrote: > > Hi Lawrence, > Studying the photo carefully would suggest that this is an evening > confirmation service, perhaps mainly for a school.. A chair has been > placed before the altar for the actual confirmation, a white haired > figure flanked by two black cassocked figures [servers?] appears to be > wearing a cope and if this is a confirmation would be the bishop, at > the front left. Other clergy with red stoles are behind the altar. The > old high altar at the east end has been coverted into a weekday > chapel. At the extrem bottom of the photo can be seen the cruet &c > ready for the offertory procession. I suspect this photograph has been > taken at the beginning of the service, just after after the entry > procession. The lectern between the two candles is for reading the > epistle and gospel. It appears that a special service booklet has been > produced for the occasion (no hymn numbers on board). . > The choir is at the front right (red cassocks), conducted by a > gentleman in a suit. A mystery is the collection of red objects > (books?) on the altar, perhaps for presentation to the confirmation > candidates. > The re-ordering of the chancel with an additional nave altar and > abandonment of the high altar and communion rail would date from the > late '60s or 1970s, possible later. > > The removal of the pulpit from Waltham Abbey would have needed a > faculty, and so would the church receiving it. SEAX have faculties > searchable online up to 1963, so it would appear to be later. > Chelmsford Diocesan Registry might be able to help, as should Waltham > Abbey itself, as there should be a reference in the PCC mnutes or > annual reports to the re-ordering which led to the re-instatement of > the original pulpit. > > Although not St Andrew's Plaistow. (see photos of this online), given > the cuurent location of the pulpit, I wouls suggest that itis one of > the large Victorian churches built in S.E.Essex for "London over the > border". It may have been closed and demolished/put to other use since > this photo was taken. Thewre should also be a faculty for the pulpit's > removal from this church or for ther demolition of this church. > > Of course, as you say, it may have gone to any part of the country and > returned to the museum because of the original Waltham connection, but > I would be inclined to begin with nearest churches, then consider > other Victorian churches in the Chelmsford Diocese .... Chelmsford, > Colchester, Southend..... > > HTH > John Henley > >

On 2012/11/15 12:58, Steve wrote: > My feeling is that the church is older than many are allowing for, mainly > because the windows are so narrow, from looking at photos on various websites > Victorian and later buildings usually have windows at least half as wide > again. So could it have been an older church re-decorated in a more modern > style? Well, it's definitely not Paddy's Wigwam :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Some comments have been posted on Flickr which are quite interesting. One thinks the banner behind the pulpit may be the winged lion of St. Mark, which has led to the suggestion of St. Mark's Forest Gate. It was demolished in the 1980s, which would be reason enough for the pulpit to end up in a museum, but annoyingly there seem to be no photos of the old church anywhere online - it isn't even listed on any of the Essex Church websites! Thanks to Marion who suggested I contact Churchcrawler - see the Flickr comments. http://www.flickr.com/photos/prastagus/8182322561/in/pool-mysterychurch Cheers, Lawrence On 15/11/2012 11:06, Dudley Diaper wrote: > That window is far from distinct, but I wonder if it's The Light of the > World, which is often used in church windows. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Michael Gilbey" <mickgilbey@hotmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:54 AM > To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Ess] FW: Help needed identifying church > >> It's difficult to determine from the picture, but the image in the central >> window of the nave might be wearing a crown suggesting a king or a prince. >> >> Michael

On 13/11/2012 4:02 PM, La Greenall wrote: > Can anyone help identify a church from an interior view please? It is > supposed to be in Essex but may not be. The most striking feature is > that its is very large, more like a cathedral than a humble parish > church. I've uploaded a photo to the web if anyone cares to have a look: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/prastagus/8182322561/ > > All I know for certain is that the pulpit which can be seen in the photo > was commissioned from William Burges in 1876 by Elizabeth, the widow of > Captain Samuel Bolton Edenborough, West Essex Yeomen Cavalry, a London > woolbroker and director of the Imperial Bank (1804-73), in his memory. > It was carved in marble by a Peter White of Vauxhall Bridge Road, > London, and installed in the parish church at Waltham Abbey, Essex > (which is not the church in the photo). > Waltham Abbey church's altar and reredos were also commissioned from > William Burges by Mrs. Edenborough as part of her husband's memorial. > They are still present, but the pulpit was taken down, probably in the > mid 1960s, and the old wooden 1658 pulpit it originally replaced was put > back up, and is still standing today. The marble Edenborough pulpit then > found a temporary new home in the unknown church, as shown in the photo > which probably dates to the 1980s or very early 1990s (it was acquired > in 1993). > Since then, this pulpit was removed from the unknown church and is > currently stored in Epping Forest District Museum's collection. They > would very much like to know the identity of the unknown church, and any > help would be much appreciated. > > Elizabeth >SNIP< w > > If it helps identification of the church, a few architectural details > can be described from the photo, as follows (though I'm no expert at > this!): > Notable semi-octagonal eastern apse, each face having one tall slender > single lancet window and a triple-arched sedilia-like blind arcade below; > Seems to have transepts (i.e. possibly a central crossing and central > tower?); > Sanctuary arch / central crossing pillars have 8 shafts each; > very wide central aisle (10 feet?). > Thanks in advance for any help you can give - we've run out of local > 'experts'!Lawrence. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Lawrence, Studying the photo carefully would suggest that this is an evening confirmation service, perhaps mainly for a school.. A chair has been placed before the altar for the actual confirmation, a white haired figure flanked by two black cassocked figures [servers?] appears to be wearing a cope and if this is a confirmation would be the bishop, at the front left. Other clergy with red stoles are behind the altar. The old high altar at the east end has been coverted into a weekday chapel. At the extrem bottom of the photo can be seen the cruet &c ready for the offertory procession. I suspect this photograph has been taken at the beginning of the service, just after after the entry procession. The lectern between the two candles is for reading the epistle and gospel. It appears that a special service booklet has been produced for the occasion (no hymn numbers on board). . The choir is at the front right (red cassocks), conducted by a gentleman in a suit. A mystery is the collection of red objects (books?) on the altar, perhaps for presentation to the confirmation candidates. The re-ordering of the chancel with an additional nave altar and abandonment of the high altar and communion rail would date from the late '60s or 1970s, possible later. The removal of the pulpit from Waltham Abbey would have needed a faculty, and so would the church receiving it. SEAX have faculties searchable online up to 1963, so it would appear to be later. Chelmsford Diocesan Registry might be able to help, as should Waltham Abbey itself, as there should be a reference in the PCC mnutes or annual reports to the re-ordering which led to the re-instatement of the original pulpit. Although not St Andrew's Plaistow. (see photos of this online), given the cuurent location of the pulpit, I wouls suggest that itis one of the large Victorian churches built in S.E.Essex for "London over the border". It may have been closed and demolished/put to other use since this photo was taken. Thewre should also be a faculty for the pulpit's removal from this church or for ther demolition of this church. Of course, as you say, it may have gone to any part of the country and returned to the museum because of the original Waltham connection, but I would be inclined to begin with nearest churches, then consider other Victorian churches in the Chelmsford Diocese .... Chelmsford, Colchester, Southend..... HTH John Henley

On 2012/11/15 10:30, Dudley Diaper wrote: > I thought the object in front of the nearer altar was a chair, the red part > being the seat. But I'm not sure who would sit there. And the one behind the > pulpit is what I thought was an Agnus Dei, a lamb carrying a banner. > > The gentleman standing on the right is in a brown suit, while everyone else > officiating is in a gown. Is he a guest of honour, handing out rewards to > the children? Add to this the sheer size of the building - it's far too large to be an 'ordinary' parish church. And the carpet in the aisle - how many churches have carpets in the aisle? It's definitely not Catholic! Too many bare-headed women. And where are the altar boys that would be there? Too plain to be Catholic, therefore Anglican! Don't think it can be a cathedral, because it's obviously 19th century (probably late 19th) and I don't think a lot of cathedrals got built in that period. I think you're looking at the main church of a bishopric. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

That window is far from distinct, but I wonder if it's The Light of the World, which is often used in church windows. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Gilbey" <mickgilbey@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:54 AM To: <essex-uk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ess] FW: Help needed identifying church > It's difficult to determine from the picture, but the image in the central > window of the nave might be wearing a crown suggesting a king or a prince. > > Michael > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >