Hi David, The parish registers for baptisms, burials and marriages at St Clements in Leigh appear to be available online at SEAX: http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx?selAlphabet=L&selParish=8849&selChurch=9151 As far as I know there's no transcription there, so, to find the entry you're looking for, you have to read through page by page within the register for appropriate date range. It's probably a good idea to collect up a number of entries that you want to look for in various parishes and then pay for a day's access to SEAX and get as much done as you can in the 24 hours - or get a week's access if you're like me and keep getting sidetracked by coming across other names that you recognise! I hope this helps, Jan > From: trained@tiscali.co.uk > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:42:42 +0000 > Subject: [Ess] SWAINE BIRTH AND DEATH DATES > > Good Evening, > My 4 x Great Grandmother, Elizabeth LINDSELL nee HARRINGTON, was born at > Leigh-on-Sea in Essex in 1752 and I am trying to find out the following: > The date of her mothers death, Lydia SWAINE born 1708 mad the date of the > fathers birth, James SWAINE who died in 1784. > I hope that someone can help with this information. > Regards, > David LINDSELL > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Evening, My 4 x Great Grandmother, Elizabeth LINDSELL nee HARRINGTON, was born at Leigh-on-Sea in Essex in 1752 and I am trying to find out the following: The date of her mothers death, Lydia SWAINE born 1708 mad the date of the fathers birth, James SWAINE who died in 1784. I hope that someone can help with this information. Regards, David LINDSELL

Good Evening, I am looking for the details of the burial of my 4 x Great Aunt, Elizabeth SOPWITH nee LINDSELL, who married Henry SOPWITH and died at Prittlewell on the 20 October 1847. Also the death of Christopher SOPWITH, their only son born in 1810. I hope that some one is able to help. Regards, David LINDSELL

> You will probably find you aren't able to get access to the records unless > you are next of kin. It was my understanding that Chris doesn't (yet) want to access the records, but was asking if the Army will divulge who they think is the next of kin - which would then help to identify if the soldier in question is indeed the person Chris is looking for, or not. Best regards, Jan ---------------------------------------- > From: junefigg@btinternet.com > To: t.taz13@yahoo.com; essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:00:49 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Ess] World war 2 army records > > Hi > You will probably find you aren't able to get access to the records unless > you are next of kin. > > I had someone who served in the second World War but it was my father's > uncle who died unmarried with no children, so my father appeared to be next > of kin. I asked him to write a letter of authorisation as next of kin and > then the MoD helped me. I visited the museum for his regiment and they were > very helpful. No service records were available (obviously a lot of records > were destroyed through fire etc) but from the date of death they were able > to explain what happened to him. > > Unfortunately without being next of kin, you will probably not be able to > get access to anything available. > > Your best chance may to approach the Wiltshire Regiment direct - this would > appear to be the relevant website http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/home > > Regards June > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Armstrong [mailto:t.taz13@yahoo.com] > Sent: 22 November 2012 11:01 > To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ess] World war 2 army records > > Does anyone know if you can find out the names of next of kin of those who > died/served in the 2nd world war. Have these records been released? I > wondered if they are available on line? > > I have found the death in the army roll of honour and the war grave info, > but it is next of kin I am looking for for a Charles Frederick James Baker > of the Wiltshire Regiment. He died at Anzio, Italy on 8 Apr 1944 and his > service number was 5567683. > > I tried Ancestry but they seem to concentrate on the first world war. > > Would be grateful for any help > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi You will probably find you aren't able to get access to the records unless you are next of kin. I had someone who served in the second World War but it was my father's uncle who died unmarried with no children, so my father appeared to be next of kin. I asked him to write a letter of authorisation as next of kin and then the MoD helped me. I visited the museum for his regiment and they were very helpful. No service records were available (obviously a lot of records were destroyed through fire etc) but from the date of death they were able to explain what happened to him. Unfortunately without being next of kin, you will probably not be able to get access to anything available. Your best chance may to approach the Wiltshire Regiment direct - this would appear to be the relevant website http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/home Regards June -----Original Message----- From: Chris Armstrong [mailto:t.taz13@yahoo.com] Sent: 22 November 2012 11:01 To: essex-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] World war 2 army records Does anyone know if you can find out the names of next of kin of those who died/served in the 2nd world war.  Have these records been released?  I wondered if they are available on line?   I have found the death in the army roll of honour and the war grave info, but it is next of kin I am looking for for a Charles Frederick James Baker of the Wiltshire Regiment. He died at Anzio, Italy on 8 Apr 1944 and his service number was 5567683.   I tried Ancestry but they seem to concentrate on the first world war.   Would be grateful for any help

Sometimes on the Commonwealth War Graves site (CWGC) you get the name of the next of kin on the record. Have you checked that & found it isn't there? Anne On 22 Nov 2012, at 11:00, Chris Armstrong wrote: > Does anyone know if you can find out the names of next of kin of those who died/served in the 2nd world war. Have these records been released? I wondered if they are available on line? > > I have found the death in the army roll of honour and the war grave info, but it is next of kin I am looking for for a Charles Frederick James Baker of the Wiltshire Regiment. He died at Anzio, Italy on 8 Apr 1944 and his service number was 5567683. > > I tried Ancestry but they seem to concentrate on the first world war. > > Would be grateful for any help

Does anyone know if you can find out the names of next of kin of those who died/served in the 2nd world war.  Have these records been released?  I wondered if they are available on line?   I have found the death in the army roll of honour and the war grave info, but it is next of kin I am looking for for a Charles Frederick James Baker of the Wiltshire Regiment. He died at Anzio, Italy on 8 Apr 1944 and his service number was 5567683.   I tried Ancestry but they seem to concentrate on the first world war.   Would be grateful for any help

Dans un e-mail daté du 22/11/2012 12:01:05 W. Europe Standard Time, t.taz13@yahoo.com a écrit : died/served in the 2nd world war. Have these records been released? I wondered if they are available on line? The records for all UK military personel who have served since 1920 are still held by the MOD. Army records being kept at Glasgow. All the details for obtaining the records can be found here: _http://www.mod.uk/defenceinternet/defencefor/veterans/_ (http://www.mod.uk/defenceinternet/defencefor/veterans/) In a nutshell, unless you are the next of kin, you must have the next of kins permission to apply. The cost is £30, payable by UK bank cheque only and is not refundable if the records cannot be found. The current delay, certainly for RAF records, is 25 weeks. I am not aware of any plans for the records to made available to the general public, presumably because of the 100 years Law. I hope this helps but please come back to me if you need any more info. Regards Mick

In a message dated 22/11/2012 11:01:22 GMT Standard Time, t.taz13@yahoo.com writes: I have found the death in the army roll of honour and the war grave info, but it is next of kin I am looking for for a Charles Frederick James Baker of the Wiltshire Regiment. He died at Anzio, Italy on 8 Apr 1944 and his service number was 5567683 Information relating to anyone who served after 1921 is still held by the MOD, you wil find the information regardig that here. _http://www.veterans-uk.info/recordsmedalsbadges.htm_ (http://www.veterans-uk.info/recordsmedalsbadges.htm) Regards, Jennifer

On 18/11/2012 11:18 PM, Bifford the Youngest wrote: Hi all, just a quick note to say a public thanks to Pamela, Suffolksue and Kathy (haighs) for sending me the newspaper page/article. There's wasn't much more about George, but the next paragraph adds even more light on the subject to whit: Rayleigh - George Byford and Albert Baker, summoned for being drunk and disorderly, were fined 10s and 9s, 9d costs each. ------Isaac Baker and Alfred Baker, the first named not appearing, were summoned for obstructing P.c. Totterdell in the execution of his duty. - The case arose out of the last. - Isaac was fined £1 and 9s. 9d. costs and Alfred 10s. and 9s. 9d. costs. That's quite some hefty fine for 1894! And it seems that the lads were drunk and George's Father-in-law (and uncle? - neither Albert or Alfred are currently known to me) stepped in and tried to stop them being arrested and by doing so came off the worse for it! This sort of thing makes history come to life, and the people back then seem not so different to some of us these days...! :D Thanks again folks. Sam > > George and someone whom I guess is a brother-in-law (Isaac, his > father-in-law is mentioned in the heading of one version, but I know > not of any children by Isaac) were apparently fined for being drunk > and disorderly! > > The snippet of info it gives is as follows: > > 18941222 essex newsman: (Document) > Date: 22 Dec 1894 > Location: Essex Newsman

David, Seax Essex Archives has these marriages and other marriages for Essex as digital images, so viewable from any computer online, for just £5 for 24 hours search. The alternative is to buy a CD or to hope someone has already done so or has an account with the archives, but to register and search for 24 hours is very easy and very rewardable. I did for myself for Murrell and Mayor marriages, baptisms and burials. I even found a will for Joseph Mayor, a member of Trinity House in Harwich, so hence my interest in Essex. These are the marriages at St Mary the Virgin, Prittlewell. http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Result_Details.aspx?ID=42879 Any images that are digital can be viewed from any computer online from any part of the world. I am aware that previously these images may have been free to access. John > From: trained@tiscali.co.uk > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:14:20 +0000 > Subject: [Ess] ANN LINDSELL > > Hello, > I am looking for information about Ann LINDSELL who married my 5 x Great > Grandfather, Thomas LINDSELL, around 1760 at Prittlewell. > Regretfully that is all I know. > I hope that someone is able to help. > Regards, > David Lindsell > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am looking for information about Ann LINDSELL who married my 5 x Great Grandfather, Thomas LINDSELL, around 1760 at Prittlewell. Regretfully that is all I know. I hope that someone is able to help. Regards, David Lindsell

This doesn't match in terms of location or exact surname but might be of interest. Thomas LINDELL of East Hanningfield married Anne FRANCIS of the parish of Chelmsford on 19 Jun 1760 at Chelmsford. Ron On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Lindsell <trained@tiscali.co.uk>wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for information about Ann LINDSELL who married my 5 x Great > Grandfather, Thomas LINDSELL, around 1760 at Prittlewell. > Regretfully that is all I know. > I hope that someone is able to help. > Regards, > David Lindsell > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could I please point out to everyone concerned in this (before Elmo does!) that this really does need to be kept off-list. You are talking about a possible adoption which took place in the early 1940's, which means that many - if not all - of the people involved could still be alive, and therefore vulnerable. May I repeat that word? ADOPTION. Please take a minute to consider the monumental harm that could be done by exposing some family secret that has remained just that for seventy-odd years. I speak from considerable experience in helping the adopted and abandoned, so, please - stop and think of the damage that could be done. As genealogists - amateur or not -we have a duty not only to help others in their quest for information, but to act responsibly, and to protect people's privacy. They may not wish their business to be broadcast on the Essex List - or anywhere else, for that matter. We - all of us - have a window that looks into other people's pasts. That is a privilege that must be used wisely. I do not wish to be the spectre at the party. I have helped many people in the past, and it has given me enormous pleasure to do so, and many, many people have helped me. I am deeply grateful for their help. I shall carry on doing what I can, with - I hope - tact and discretion, and remembering above all that recent history can do far more than amuse or embarrass - it can hurt, destroy, and cause untold damage. Please do help each other by all means - preferably without cross words - but please remember that 1940 is yesterday to some people. Chris Manning Colchester

Hi Diane I know that this is more recent than some of the cases of informal adoption that I've come across, but the 'took him as her own' phrase and the Superintendent's note puzzle me. If it was simply a straightforward case of illegitimacy why would any note be made? Although 1942 is far more recent than cases I've encountered I know that not everyone would necessarily regard the legal requirement for registration in the same way. I wondered whether there is possibility that a daughter/sister/friend of Mary's may have concealed a pregnancy and Mary may have raised him and believed that registering him 'as her own' was the best way to do that legally. Another possibility (which has happened in my family - although the registration process was followed properly) is that the birth mother of a child dies shortly after the birth and the child is raised by someone else - already widowed - without being aware of their story. I've come across a few cases where children have apparently been born quite a while after the death of a husband. While some may have been the result of a new relationship, I think that it's important to remember that because of current moral attitudes and our familiarity as family historians with things such as bastardy orders, we can jump to conclusions that are simply wrong and would be distressing for the individuals concerned. This was 1942 after all. To answer your other question, yes Mary would have been able to adopt him even though she was widowed - and particularly if she was already raising him. I'm a little confused about the birth certificate and the reference to adoption in your original posting to the list however. If you know that there was a formal legal adoption it sounds as if the birth certificate you have may not be the original birth registration. I hope I haven't confused things further, but if the person(s) concerned are still living it may be that one of the charities supporting adopters and adoptees would be the best source of information. Sara -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford [mailto:caroline.bradford@btinternet.com] Sent: 19 November 2012 08:22 To: 'rootsweb essex' Subject: Re: [Ess] Adoption in West Ham Hi Diane > A childs Birth Cert. gives only the natural father' name or no father > (for various reasons) is given, or father (deceased). This is not *strictly* true. The law assumed (and still does) that if a married woman gave birth then her husband was the father. Even if a registrar had his suspicions, the husband's name would go on the certificate. But I don't think this is particularly relevant to the case in question as the mother was almost certainly a widow, not a married woman. Thomas H NURSE married Mary KNIGHT in Q1 1927 and there were three children apparently born to the couple between 1929 and 1932. It looks highly likely that Thomas died in Q4 1936. I think the "adoption" issue is a red herring. As others have pointed out, Mary would not have needed to adopt John if she was his natural mother. The most likely scenario is that Mary became pregnant by a man who was unwilling or unable to marry her and concocted a story about John being adopted to cover her shame (though I doubt many would have been fooled at the time!). Hope this helps > > > Mary took him as her own a month after he was born. The question is: > > there is no Father on the birth certificate. I know that Mary WAS > > married to a Thomas Nurse, wouldn't he have been down on the > > certificate even though he wasn't the birth father please? If > > Thomas had died, would she have been able to adopt John even though > > she didn't have a husband in 1942 please? > >

David, I guess you've found her already on the census: 1841 with her father Thomas and mother Sophia (and sibs) at East Rd Prittlechurch aged 12 1851 visiting William Gower at West St, Rochford, aged 21, billed as a coachbuilder's daughter 1861 with her brother John at Gardiner's Terrace, Stepney aged 30, no occ To get a baptism record, if that's what you're after, you could try SEAX? But I doubt it will tell you much more than you can divine from the census, except perhaps a more precise d.o.b. Her ages above would suggest closer to 1830. I see you cross posted on London-L for a burial. Had a look but can't come up with anything I'm afraid, except an entry in the probate calendar (for 1901). Have had similar probs with some of mine in West Ham. Best wishes Rob -----Original Message----- From: David Lindsell [mailto:trained@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:30 To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ess] BIRTH OF CAROLINE LINDSELL Hello, I am looking for details of the birth of my 3 x Great Aunt, Caroline LINDSELL, believed to be Circa 1834 in Prittlewell, Essex. Daughter of Thomas and Sophia LINDSELL. Hoping that someone can help. Regards, David LINDSELL

I think it reads Warehouse Packer RG14/9369 SN28 (Stratford) HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:essex-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of G Morris Manhole checker? -----Original Message----- My gt gt grandfather had a son Daniel who in 1911 had an occupation as a Manhowle Recker. Any ideas what this could be?

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:35:53 -0000 "Graham Taylor" <gtmt11@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hello Graham, >My gt gt grandfather had a son Daniel who in 1911 had an occupation as a >Manhowle Recker. Any ideas what this could be? Badly transcribed. Mind you, the handwriting's pretty poor, so it's no surprise. Sadly, I have no idea what it actually reads. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Where will you be when the bodies burn? The Gasman Cometh - Crass

Manhole checker? -----Original Message----- My gt gt grandfather had a son Daniel who in 1911 had an occupation as a Manhowle Recker. Any ideas what this could be? Thanks Graham

David, I see that the baptisms of St Mary the Virgin, Prittlewell are available to view online providing you register with SEAX & pay £5 for a days search. http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Result_Details.aspx?ID=42884 John > From: trained@tiscali.co.uk > To: Essex-UK@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:30:26 +0000 > Subject: [Ess] BIRTH OF CAROLINE LINDSELL > > Hello, > I am looking for details of the birth of my 3 x Great Aunt, Caroline > LINDSELL, believed to be Circa 1834 in Prittlewell, Essex. > Daughter of Thomas and Sophia LINDSELL. > Hoping that someone can help. > Regards, > David LINDSELL > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: Essex-UK-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ESSEX-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message